Navy Elementary - Principal Resignation

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When are they going to get rid of the AAP Center and just turn Navy into an LLIV school? Crossfield has its own AAP program, why do people send their kids to Navy? It's so strange.

They won’t bc LLIV sucks compared to a center. And with LLIV you’d have a lot more busybody parents trying to get principal placed in the program. It would be beyond bloated.

Out of curiosity, what % of the population at Navy is AAP in grades 3-6? I find it bizarre that a school is an AAP Center all by itself with a handful of students that come from only one other school. Are there any other Centers like that?

There's usually 2 AAP classes and maybe 4 or 5 classes on total. I'm going off memory from the sign in thing on their computer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is the root of the problem. The parents were complaining because the 6th grade situation has been pretty terrible. It looked like things would be improving but now he has resigned, which is surprising because many of us were for starting to feel hopeful about the changes being put into place. He also seemed pretty upbeat and positive last week so I don't know what happened this week to change that. The kids all seemed to like him, so as usual, that's who will be negatively affected.

This. 6th grade parents were strongly advocating for an actual teacher after the sub left that class in shambles. Every 6th grade parent I know was absolutely thrilled with the principal’s decision to have the new teacher take over, as he is not only an experienced 6th grade teacher, but also beloved by the kids. I thought this would be a huge win and a positive PR boost for the principal. I also felt like he was finally starting to feel comfortable in his role. Then he resigned. It’s unfortunate, but I don’t blame him one bit. Navy would have been a challenging environment for even the most experienced principal. A brand new one never stood a chance.

I generally agree with this. However, the experienced 6th grade teacher was only set to be there for this week. After that it’s resource teachers and a different one for each section. Not sure the resource teachers have ever taught science before.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When are they going to get rid of the AAP Center and just turn Navy into an LLIV school? Crossfield has its own AAP program, why do people send their kids to Navy? It's so strange.

Navy has better academic after school activities (science olympiad, math counts, math olympiad) and it's much more Asian.

Why would we get rid of AAP? Let’s do everything for “equity”! God forbid some kids get recognized on merit.

It’s the same reason you don’t see Asian kids on the football team. You don’t hear them complaining about equity there. Am I right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is the root of the problem. The parents were complaining because the 6th grade situation has been pretty terrible. It looked like things would be improving but now he has resigned, which is surprising because many of us were for starting to feel hopeful about the changes being put into place. He also seemed pretty upbeat and positive last week so I don't know what happened this week to change that. The kids all seemed to like him, so as usual, that's who will be negatively affected.

This. 6th grade parents were strongly advocating for an actual teacher after the sub left that class in shambles. Every 6th grade parent I know was absolutely thrilled with the principal’s decision to have the new teacher take over, as he is not only an experienced 6th grade teacher, but also beloved by the kids. I thought this would be a huge win and a positive PR boost for the principal. I also felt like he was finally starting to feel comfortable in his role. Then he resigned. It’s unfortunate, but I don’t blame him one bit. Navy would have been a challenging environment for even the most experienced principal. A brand new one never stood a chance.

Except perhaps it was the higher ups who forced him to make that plan or came up with the idea. And look how long it took for this plan to be developed. This should have been the plan as soon as they realized the long term sub wasn’t working. They let that class fester for 6 weeks. Was the team working together to support the sub? Was admin working with the team to support the sub? Why wasn’t there oversight into what was going on? The buck stops with the admin and they failed to fix it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS is the root of the problem. The parents were complaining because the 6th grade situation has been pretty terrible. It looked like things would be improving but now he has resigned, which is surprising because many of us were for starting to feel hopeful about the changes being put into place. He also seemed pretty upbeat and positive last week so I don't know what happened this week to change that. The kids all seemed to like him, so as usual, that's who will be negatively affected.

This. 6th grade parents were strongly advocating for an actual teacher after the sub left that class in shambles. Every 6th grade parent I know was absolutely thrilled with the principal’s decision to have the new teacher take over, as he is not only an experienced 6th grade teacher, but also beloved by the kids. I thought this would be a huge win and a positive PR boost for the principal. I also felt like he was finally starting to feel comfortable in his role. Then he resigned. It’s unfortunate, but I don’t blame him one bit. Navy would have been a challenging environment for even the most experienced principal. A brand new one never stood a chance.

I generally agree with this. However, the experienced 6th grade teacher was only set to be there for this week. After that it’s resource teachers and a different one for each section. Not sure the resource teachers have ever taught science before.

They are very experienced teachers. I’m sure they can figure out how to teach 6th grade science.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS is the root of the problem. The parents were complaining because the 6th grade situation has been pretty terrible. It looked like things would be improving but now he has resigned, which is surprising because many of us were for starting to feel hopeful about the changes being put into place. He also seemed pretty upbeat and positive last week so I don't know what happened this week to change that. The kids all seemed to like him, so as usual, that's who will be negatively affected.

This. 6th grade parents were strongly advocating for an actual teacher after the sub left that class in shambles. Every 6th grade parent I know was absolutely thrilled with the principal’s decision to have the new teacher take over, as he is not only an experienced 6th grade teacher, but also beloved by the kids. I thought this would be a huge win and a positive PR boost for the principal. I also felt like he was finally starting to feel comfortable in his role. Then he resigned. It’s unfortunate, but I don’t blame him one bit. Navy would have been a challenging environment for even the most experienced principal. A brand new one never stood a chance.

Except perhaps it was the higher ups who forced him to make that plan or came up with the idea. And look how long it took for this plan to be developed. This should have been the plan as soon as they realized the long term sub wasn’t working. They let that class fester for 6 weeks. Was the team working together to support the sub? Was admin working with the team to support the sub? Why wasn’t there oversight into what was going on? The buck stops with the admin and they failed to fix it.

Here’s what I think happened: the principal was telling the team to figure it out in terms of supporting the sub, and they were probably overwhelmed with their own stuff and rightfully felt like that was putting his responsibility on them. He didn’t seem to want the buck to stop with him. I have heard of other situations where teachers were being told to do things that are admin’s job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those wondering why the principal resigned, let’s clear things up. He wasn’t driven out by parents; he was forced out by the county after numerous complaints from both parents and staff about his incompetence. If anyone still believes he was a good principal, it’s probably because your child hasn’t had any issues that required you to contact the admin. Those of us who’ve had to deal with him firsthand know just how ineffective and dishonest he was.

Last year, when concerns were raised about his leadership, many of you defended him. Now, with the mass exodus of teachers and your kids feeling the effects, you’re seeing what some tried to warned about. The teachers left because they weren’t supported and were treated poorly.

And let’s not forget how some of you attacked “the sub” for passing around the letter about the principal. She was trying to shine a light on what was really going on, and she was right. Thank you, SUB, for having the courage to speak up when others stayed quiet.

Now, Navy’s stuck with a revolving door of unqualified replacements and no principal in sight. This is what happens when someone unfit for the job is allowed to run the school. Maybe if more people had listened last year, Navy wouldn’t be in this mess.

Hopefully, this serves as a wake-up call. Our kids deserve better.

Wrong. He’s a great guy who would have been a great leader if given a chance. Truly Navy’s loss.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those wondering why the principal resigned, let’s clear things up. He wasn’t driven out by parents; he was forced out by the county after numerous complaints from both parents and staff about his incompetence. If anyone still believes he was a good principal, it’s probably because your child hasn’t had any issues that required you to contact the admin. Those of us who’ve had to deal with him firsthand know just how ineffective and dishonest he was.

Last year, when concerns were raised about his leadership, many of you defended him. Now, with the mass exodus of teachers and your kids feeling the effects, you’re seeing what some tried to warned about. The teachers left because they weren’t supported and were treated poorly.

And let’s not forget how some of you attacked “the sub” for passing around the letter about the principal. She was trying to shine a light on what was really going on, and she was right. Thank you, SUB, for having the courage to speak up when others stayed quiet.

Now, Navy’s stuck with a revolving door of unqualified replacements and no principal in sight. This is what happens when someone unfit for the job is allowed to run the school. Maybe if more people had listened last year, Navy wouldn’t be in this mess.

Hopefully, this serves as a wake-up call. Our kids deserve better.

Wrong. He’s a great guy who would have been a great leader if given a chance. Truly Navy’s loss.

He is but he has made mistakes. Wish he would just fix them instead of leaving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS is the root of the problem. The parents were complaining because the 6th grade situation has been pretty terrible. It looked like things would be improving but now he has resigned, which is surprising because many of us were for starting to feel hopeful about the changes being put into place. He also seemed pretty upbeat and positive last week so I don't know what happened this week to change that. The kids all seemed to like him, so as usual, that's who will be negatively affected.

This. 6th grade parents were strongly advocating for an actual teacher after the sub left that class in shambles. Every 6th grade parent I know was absolutely thrilled with the principal’s decision to have the new teacher take over, as he is not only an experienced 6th grade teacher, but also beloved by the kids. I thought this would be a huge win and a positive PR boost for the principal. I also felt like he was finally starting to feel comfortable in his role. Then he resigned. It’s unfortunate, but I don’t blame him one bit. Navy would have been a challenging environment for even the most experienced principal. A brand new one never stood a chance.

Except perhaps it was the higher ups who forced him to make that plan or came up with the idea. And look how long it took for this plan to be developed. This should have been the plan as soon as they realized the long term sub wasn’t working. They let that class fester for 6 weeks. Was the team working together to support the sub? Was admin working with the team to support the sub? Why wasn’t there oversight into what was going on? The buck stops with the admin and they failed to fix it.

Here’s what I think happened: the principal was telling the team to figure it out in terms of supporting the sub, and they were probably overwhelmed with their own stuff and rightfully felt like that was putting his responsibility on them. He didn’t seem to want the buck to stop with him. I have heard of other situations where teachers were being told to do things that are admin’s job.

This happens at every school though. When there is a long term sub, the team is expected to step up and help with the plans for that sub. It sucks for all but that’s life. I sort of think the team had to be told to help and were sour about it. I also think because of the vacancy in the gen Ed SS/Sci position, there weren’t any concrete plans or material to work with to provide the sub with easily. Except science lessons are already made by the county - so not sure what the deal is there. I also think the master schedule wasn’t correct to begin with in terms of instructional times for subjects. The principal is overall responsible for the master schedule and approving the schedules the teachers make though. Perhaps with a different admin the team would have helped out more? I don’t know. The admin should have ensured the team was working together and provided more oversight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those wondering why the principal resigned, let’s clear things up. He wasn’t driven out by parents; he was forced out by the county after numerous complaints from both parents and staff about his incompetence. If anyone still believes he was a good principal, it’s probably because your child hasn’t had any issues that required you to contact the admin. Those of us who’ve had to deal with him firsthand know just how ineffective and dishonest he was.

Last year, when concerns were raised about his leadership, many of you defended him. Now, with the mass exodus of teachers and your kids feeling the effects, you’re seeing what some tried to warned about. The teachers left because they weren’t supported and were treated poorly.

And let’s not forget how some of you attacked “the sub” for passing around the letter about the principal. She was trying to shine a light on what was really going on, and she was right. Thank you, SUB, for having the courage to speak up when others stayed quiet.

Now, Navy’s stuck with a revolving door of unqualified replacements and no principal in sight. This is what happens when someone unfit for the job is allowed to run the school. Maybe if more people had listened last year, Navy wouldn’t be in this mess.

Hopefully, this serves as a wake-up call. Our kids deserve better.

Wrong. He’s a great guy who would have been a great leader if given a chance. Truly Navy’s loss.

He is but he has made mistakes. Wish he would just fix them instead of leaving.

He was forced out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS is the root of the problem. The parents were complaining because the 6th grade situation has been pretty terrible. It looked like things would be improving but now he has resigned, which is surprising because many of us were for starting to feel hopeful about the changes being put into place. He also seemed pretty upbeat and positive last week so I don't know what happened this week to change that. The kids all seemed to like him, so as usual, that's who will be negatively affected.

This. 6th grade parents were strongly advocating for an actual teacher after the sub left that class in shambles. Every 6th grade parent I know was absolutely thrilled with the principal’s decision to have the new teacher take over, as he is not only an experienced 6th grade teacher, but also beloved by the kids. I thought this would be a huge win and a positive PR boost for the principal. I also felt like he was finally starting to feel comfortable in his role. Then he resigned. It’s unfortunate, but I don’t blame him one bit. Navy would have been a challenging environment for even the most experienced principal. A brand new one never stood a chance.

I generally agree with this. However, the experienced 6th grade teacher was only set to be there for this week. After that it’s resource teachers and a different one for each section. Not sure the resource teachers have ever taught science before.

They are very experienced teachers. I’m sure they can figure out how to teach 6th grade science.

I’ve seen the 6th grade science lessons and they actually can be difficult if you don’t have a science background. Just like math can be for people not math oriented. I don’t know that an ESOL teacher will be the best fit to be a science teacher, but we will see!

[Anonymous]

Its common at other schools for classes to have long term subs for the entire school year.
So parents were crying about a long term
sub for just one subject?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its common at other schools for classes to have long term subs for the entire school year.
So parents were crying about a long term
sub for just one subject?

Two subjects, but yes.

[Anonymous]

Why did the staff hate him so much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS is the root of the problem. The parents were complaining because the 6th grade situation has been pretty terrible. It looked like things would be improving but now he has resigned, which is surprising because many of us were for starting to feel hopeful about the changes being put into place. He also seemed pretty upbeat and positive last week so I don't know what happened this week to change that. The kids all seemed to like him, so as usual, that's who will be negatively affected.

This. 6th grade parents were strongly advocating for an actual teacher after the sub left that class in shambles. Every 6th grade parent I know was absolutely thrilled with the principal’s decision to have the new teacher take over, as he is not only an experienced 6th grade teacher, but also beloved by the kids. I thought this would be a huge win and a positive PR boost for the principal. I also felt like he was finally starting to feel comfortable in his role. Then he resigned. It’s unfortunate, but I don’t blame him one bit. Navy would have been a challenging environment for even the most experienced principal. A brand new one never stood a chance.

I generally agree with this. However, the experienced 6th grade teacher was only set to be there for this week. After that it’s resource teachers and a different one for each section. Not sure the resource teachers have ever taught science before.

They are very experienced teachers. I’m sure they can figure out how to teach 6th grade science.

I’ve seen the 6th grade science lessons and they actually can be difficult if you don’t have a science background. Just like math can be for people not math oriented. I don’t know that an ESOL teacher will be the best fit to be a science teacher, but we will see!

They are. But I’ll take someone with solid pedagogy background/experience over a random person any day. Also, the ESOL teachers aren’t teaching science. They’re teaching writing.