DEI at Michigan--NYT article

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. This is a must-read.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/magazine/dei-university-michigan.html?ogrp=ctr&unlocked_article_code=1.Sk4.khuL.zeH0cPySU9KZ&smid=url-share

“The fear is creating a hesitancy to teach what we would normally teach,” she said. Some of her accusers were white women, she recalled. It echoed an observation I heard repeatedly from faculty at Michigan: The most strident critics were sometimes not the most marginalized students, but peers who claimed to be fighting on their behalf.

This is the biggest problem in these racial debates. White people are the loudest virtue signalers and they need to take a supportive, secondary role instead of always claiming to be expert Karens because they had a vicarious epiphany after being forced to read an ethnic book in English class. They dilute the argument and their apologist zeal hurts any hope for honest dialogue.

White people caused the extreme inequalities and injustices.

White people have to fix it.

Don’t oppress someone for centuries and then expect them to solve all of the problems white people have foisted upon them.

Racism is a white person problem.

Well, it's not for lack of trying. They just spent a quarter of a billion dollars to advance DEI at the University of Michigan. And it was a resounding failure. DEI for all intents and purposes is dead. I suspect the focus will move to individual talent and drive. The big, expensive, systemic programs don't work.

False. The racists will continue their hysterics but that doesn’t mean we are done.

The louder they complain the more work we have ahead.

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Anonymous wrote:You lost me at "Heritage Foundation study."

Talk about a group that has an agenda.

So this is what has become of the Times.
Thanks, OP. You seem to be busy this morning with your outrage theater.

+1 million

Two people who didn’t read the article.

Nah. The topic is about the article. Which you don’t have the stamina to read. We don’t have to switch topics because you can’t read a long article with too many big words.
I read reputable studies.
That is not the Heritage Foundation. I know them.
I'm not interested in wasting my time.

The Heritage study is one paragraph in the middle of reams of original reporting. You clearly didn't RTFA so you have nothing to add.

I read it and stopped when I saw that crap.

Invalidated the whole thing.

How would you know?

Anyone who thinks that Project 2025 is a good idea can’t be trusted.

Does that really need to be spelled out for you?

Or maybe you do support project 2025 yourself.

Finish the article then we can talk.

Fck no. Anyone who quotes heritage is disqualified.

Ok. Bye. You are dismissed since you can’t read the article.

I read enough. The question is: why do you think the project 2025 authors are credible?

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Anonymous wrote:You lost me at "Heritage Foundation study."

Talk about a group that has an agenda.

So this is what has become of the Times.
Thanks, OP. You seem to be busy this morning with your outrage theater.

+1 million

Two people who didn’t read the article.

I read reputable studies.
That is not the Heritage Foundation. I know them.
I'm not interested in wasting my time.

The Heritage study is one paragraph in the middle of reams of original reporting. You clearly didn't RTFA so you have nothing to add.

I read it and stopped when I saw that crap.

Invalidated the whole thing.

How would you know?

Anyone who thinks that Project 2025 is a good idea can’t be trusted.

Does that really need to be spelled out for you?

Or maybe you do support project 2025 yourself.

Finish the article then we can talk.

Fck no. Anyone who quotes heritage is disqualified.

Ok. Bye. You are dismissed since you can’t read the article.

I read enough. The question is: why do you think the project 2025 authors are credible?

Nah. The topic is about the Univ of Michigan not whatever you feel like discussing today. We don’t have to switch topics because you can’t read a long article with too many big words.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s sad because it seems like the effect of it has been to promote blame and division. Done properly, it’s about promoting understanding and growth. The professor asking for students to let him know if he was accidentally offending them was showing his willingness to grow and learn — the student who filed a complaint was unreasonable. I do wonder, though. if they overstate the problem by focusing on the most extreme crazies. Like if you polled that professors class, would 99 students say “gee, I really appreciated him saying that…”?
It’s hard to say. Part of the problem here is that over the past 10 years, the country has become much more divided and tribalist (in part due to people like Trump and Russian troll farms who foment these divisions very explicitly). So it’s hard to conclude that this is the result of the UM DEI program, unless we know whether polls of students nationwide would show the same increased sense of embattlement.

Shouldn't our young adults start learning how not to be offended by every minute, perceived slight?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. This is a must-read.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/magazine/dei-university-michigan.html?ogrp=ctr&unlocked_article_code=1.Sk4.khuL.zeH0cPySU9KZ&smid=url-share

F**in' pathetic. We are the wrong kind of brown and where I come from, colleges reward students for high grades and accomplishments. Not so at Michigan. DC is in one of the toughest programs, top grades and on the dean's list and every other nonsense list. The offered a $1000 something this year (senior)! Wish I had the time to convert that to pennies and throw it at their face... and to find out that they spend a fortune on this type of nonsense. Oh, they also keep begging us parents for money every semester. The gall..

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Anonymous wrote:It’s sad because it seems like the effect of it has been to promote blame and division. Done properly, it’s about promoting understanding and growth. The professor asking for students to let him know if he was accidentally offending them was showing his willingness to grow and learn — the student who filed a complaint was unreasonable. I do wonder, though. if they overstate the problem by focusing on the most extreme crazies. Like if you polled that professors class, would 99 students say “gee, I really appreciated him saying that…”?
It’s hard to say. Part of the problem here is that over the past 10 years, the country has become much more divided and tribalist (in part due to people like Trump and Russian troll farms who foment these divisions very explicitly). So it’s hard to conclude that this is the result of the UM DEI program, unless we know whether polls of students nationwide would show the same increased sense of embattlement.

Shouldn't our young adults start learning how not to be offended by every minute, perceived slight?

You would think, but instead they have cultivated a culture of fear where people are afraid to open their mouths.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't help but think black students would've been better served had UMich used that money to build high-quality public high schools in Detroit.

DEI has done nothing but enrich a cohort of administrators.

This. The 250 million could have gone for scholarships for poor students of all races.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. This is a must-read.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/magazine/dei-university-michigan.html?ogrp=ctr&unlocked_article_code=1.Sk4.khuL.zeH0cPySU9KZ&smid=url-share

“The fear is creating a hesitancy to teach what we would normally teach,” she said. Some of her accusers were white women, she recalled. It echoed an observation I heard repeatedly from faculty at Michigan: The most strident critics were sometimes not the most marginalized students, but peers who claimed to be fighting on their behalf.

This is the biggest problem in these racial debates. White people are the loudest virtue signalers and they need to take a supportive, secondary role instead of always claiming to be expert Karens because they had a vicarious epiphany after being forced to read an ethnic book in English class. They dilute the argument and their apologist zeal hurts any hope for honest dialogue.

White people caused the extreme inequalities and injustices.

White people have to fix it.

Don’t oppress someone for centuries and then expect them to solve all of the problems white people have foisted upon them.

Racism is a white person problem.

Not quite accurate.

Some white people caused the inequalities and injustices, mostly generations ago.

Suggesting that ALL white people today are somehow responsible for this is the core mistake of the far left.

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Even the Native American professor (descending from two tribes) did not want to participate in the "land acknowledgements." He considers them empty virtue signaling.

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Professor said he could no longer teach Huck Finn or any southern literature. (This was the Native American English professor.) The Native American English professor was troubled that he could no longer teach any literature from Faulkner or any other southern writers.

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Much black literature by black writers can no longer be taught because they contain "slurs". Essentially the DEI rules remove the teaching of a lot of material by black writers.

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This is a very interesting article--Neither students or professors feel comfortable speaking in class due to the DEI initiatives.

Professors feel that DEI promotes a "gotcha culture" and they are very careful about what they say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. This is a must-read.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/magazine/dei-university-michigan.html?ogrp=ctr&unlocked_article_code=1.Sk4.khuL.zeH0cPySU9KZ&smid=url-share

“The fear is creating a hesitancy to teach what we would normally teach,” she said. Some of her accusers were white women, she recalled. It echoed an observation I heard repeatedly from faculty at Michigan: The most strident critics were sometimes not the most marginalized students, but peers who claimed to be fighting on their behalf.

This is the biggest problem in these racial debates. White people are the loudest virtue signalers and they need to take a supportive, secondary role instead of always claiming to be expert Karens because they had a vicarious epiphany after being forced to read an ethnic book in English class. They dilute the argument and their apologist zeal hurts any hope for honest dialogue.

White people caused the extreme inequalities and injustices.

White people have to fix it.

Don’t oppress someone for centuries and then expect them to solve all of the problems white people have foisted upon them.

Racism is a white person problem.

Not quite accurate.

Some white people caused the inequalities and injustices, mostly generations ago.

Suggesting that ALL white people today are somehow responsible for this is the core mistake of the far left.

All people with the power to change things today are responsible.

[Anonymous]

The DEI infrastructure at Michigan calls for employees at the world reknown Michigan arboretum to stop calling plants by their Latin or English names.

The employees are supposed to "adopt “a ‘polycentric’ paradigm, decentering singular ways of knowing and cocreating meaning through a variety of epistemic frames, including dominant scientific and horticultural modalities, Two-Eyed Seeing, Kinomaage and other cocreated power realignments.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. This is a must-read.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/magazine/dei-university-michigan.html?ogrp=ctr&unlocked_article_code=1.Sk4.khuL.zeH0cPySU9KZ&smid=url-share

F**in' pathetic. We are the wrong kind of brown and where I come from, colleges reward students for high grades and accomplishments. Not so at Michigan. DC is in one of the toughest programs, top grades and on the dean's list and every other nonsense list. The offered a $1000 something this year (senior)! Wish I had the time to convert that to pennies and throw it at their face... and to find out that they spend a fortune on this type of nonsense. Oh, they also keep begging us parents for money every semester. The gall..

Where is that?

Here in the US, elite colleges have an oversupply of high achievers. There are many, many other colleges that offer merit aid though.