DEI at Michigan--NYT article

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Always good to read the comments. Multiple professors saying the school isn’t nearly as good as it’s reputation

That’s what’s shocking.

Shocking that the schools that DCUM worships might have flaws and over-inflated reputations? Nah, not shocking at all. The parsing of rankings the hens on this site does is ridiculous. The idea that 8 is lightyears better than 30, c'mon, this site is all about bragging about where your kids attended or attend and pi$$ing on other schools or fantasizing about where you want your kid to go and acting like your an expert because you read something on the internet. The latter are the worst, sycophantic boot-lickers running on an anticipation high if what might be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Always good to read the comments. Multiple professors saying the school isn’t nearly as good as it’s reputation

That’s what’s shocking.

Shocking that the schools that DCUM worships might have flaws and over-inflated reputations? Nah, not shocking at all. The parsing of rankings the hens on this site does is ridiculous. The idea that 8 is lightyears better than 30, c'mon, this site is all about bragging about where your kids attended or attend and pi$$ing on other schools or fantasizing about where you want your kid to go and acting like your an expert because you read something on the internet. The latter are the worst, sycophantic boot-lickers running on an anticipation high if what might be.

Totally agree with this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s sad because it seems like the effect of it has been to promote blame and division. Done properly, it’s about promoting understanding and growth. The professor asking for students to let him know if he was accidentally offending them was showing his willingness to grow and learn — the student who filed a complaint was unreasonable. I do wonder, though. if they overstate the problem by focusing on the most extreme crazies. Like if you polled that professors class, would 99 students say “gee, I really appreciated him saying that…”?
It’s hard to say. Part of the problem here is that over the past 10 years, the country has become much more divided and tribalist (in part due to people like Trump and Russian troll farms who foment these divisions very explicitly). So it’s hard to conclude that this is the result of the UM DEI program, unless we know whether polls of students nationwide would show the same increased sense of embattlement.

It's not just Trump and Russian troll farms. It's both sides and intellectually dishonest to try and say otherwise.

BoTh SIdEs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Man the end hit me hard. Students want to be able to discuss tough issues but don’t know how: “we’ve never seen it.”

Yup

[Anonymous]

Thanks for sharing. So much money spent and yet the poor arboretum can’t get parking!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The article lost me at this point:
"A 2021 report from the conservative Heritage Foundation examining the growth of D.E.I. programs across higher education — the only such study that currently exists — found Michigan to have by far the largest D.E.I. bureaucracy of any large public university. Tens of thousands of undergraduates have completed bias training. Thousands of instructors have been trained in inclusive teaching."

Why is the heritage foundation so obsessed with DEI? To them it may seem like a heavy-handed correction what U Mich is doing, but they took a calculated risk that this was going to be necessary to be a competitive university to attract younger generation of applicants so they invested accordingly.

Why are you suggesting that reporting on the money spent is an obsession? Taxpayers deserve to know where their funds are going.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You lost me at "Heritage Foundation study."

Talk about a group that has an agenda.

So this is what has become of the Times.
Thanks, OP. You seem to be busy this morning with your outrage theater.

+1 million

Two people who didn’t read the article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You lost me at "Heritage Foundation study."

Talk about a group that has an agenda.

So this is what has become of the Times.
Thanks, OP. You seem to be busy this morning with your outrage theater.

+1 million

Two people who didn’t read the article.

I read reputable studies.
That is not the Heritage Foundation. I know them.
I'm not interested in wasting my time.

[Anonymous]

DEI is on its way out. Better late than never.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/21/opinions/harvard-dei-initiatives-decline-gest/index.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/22/google-meta-other-tech-giants-cut-dei-programs-in-2023.html?msockid=2932ca7c507d66ae3b59c5a751806746

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You lost me at "Heritage Foundation study."

Talk about a group that has an agenda.

So this is what has become of the Times.
Thanks, OP. You seem to be busy this morning with your outrage theater.

+1 million

Two people who didn’t read the article.

I read reputable studies.
That is not the Heritage Foundation. I know them.
I'm not interested in wasting my time.

The Heritage study is one paragraph in the middle of reams of original reporting. You clearly didn't RTFA so you have nothing to add.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DEI is on its way out. Better late than never.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/21/opinions/harvard-dei-initiatives-decline-gest/index.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/22/google-meta-other-tech-giants-cut-dei-programs-in-2023.html?msockid=2932ca7c507d66ae3b59c5a751806746

It's really not. It is just being implemented at the department level rather than campus wide. This is so universities can receive less lawsuits

-R1 Professor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DEI is on its way out. Better late than never.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/21/opinions/harvard-dei-initiatives-decline-gest/index.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/22/google-meta-other-tech-giants-cut-dei-programs-in-2023.html?msockid=2932ca7c507d66ae3b59c5a751806746

It's really not. It is just being implemented at the department level rather than campus wide. This is so universities can receive less lawsuits

-R1 Professor.

Did you even read the article?? Yes, schools are massaging their current programs to avoid lawsuits post SFFA , but the point is that the tide has turned on these silly DEI programs with their focus on virtue signaling nonsense and minutiae - expensive programs that are ultimately ineffective and leave everyone feeling less connected.

Fwiw personally, I am a huge proponent of DEI but NOT DEI programs as currently practiced in corporate America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You lost me at "Heritage Foundation study."

Talk about a group that has an agenda.

So this is what has become of the Times.
Thanks, OP. You seem to be busy this morning with your outrage theater.

+1 million

Two people who didn’t read the article.

I read reputable studies.
That is not the Heritage Foundation. I know them.
I'm not interested in wasting my time.

The Heritage study is one paragraph in the middle of reams of original reporting. You clearly didn't RTFA so you have nothing to add.

100% this

Article is nuanced and v interesting

[Anonymous]

This is a very bad article for Michigan. Glad my kid chose a selective private. This is the stuff that happens when politics take precedence over scholarship.

Terrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DEI is on its way out. Better late than never.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/21/opinions/harvard-dei-initiatives-decline-gest/index.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/22/google-meta-other-tech-giants-cut-dei-programs-in-2023.html?msockid=2932ca7c507d66ae3b59c5a751806746

It's really not. It is just being implemented at the department level rather than campus wide. This is so universities can receive less lawsuits

-R1 Professor.

Did you even read the article?? Yes, schools are massaging their current programs to avoid lawsuits post SFFA , but the point is that the tide has turned on these silly DEI programs with their focus on virtue signaling nonsense and minutiae - expensive programs that are ultimately ineffective and leave everyone feeling less connected.

Fwiw personally, I am a huge proponent of DEI but NOT DEI programs as currently practiced in corporate America.

DP. What is your suggestion to solve the issue of racism?