Important Update: US Soccer Birth Year Change

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:School year increases participation at the youngest ages, which increases the quantity and quality of players later. School year also eliminates trapped players in the MS/HS and HS/college transitions. It was a shortsighted switch to BY and it should be corrected. It will be a headache to correct, but it will be good for players (trapped players) and good for the system in the long run.

No it is not an issue. It is not worth the effort for few the “trapped” players. Go play rec.

Why are there so few trapped players? Oh, because they all drop out and stop playing.....

And there will still be trapped players with SY.

Since you are so knowledgeable please list all the school districts that begin the school year before 8/1.

Should I include the players who's parents purposefully redshirted them so they'd excel in SY based sports?

If we are making up scenarios to fix the problem why not add another year or two to highschool. Then everyone will even out by time they graduate.

Haha, this one made me laugh.

I get what you're trying to say but even you had to have been smiling when you wrote it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:School year increases participation at the youngest ages, which increases the quantity and quality of players later. School year also eliminates trapped players in the MS/HS and HS/college transitions. It was a shortsighted switch to BY and it should be corrected. It will be a headache to correct, but it will be good for players (trapped players) and good for the system in the long run.

No it is not an issue. It is not worth the effort for few the “trapped” players. Go play rec.

Newsflash, for most kids in club soccer, it is rec. If I've learned anything from this thread, it's that almost 100% of the narcissistic aholes with zero empathy love BY. And, shockingly, their kids don't give a flying F about playing with friends nor can they understand the losers who do.

You sound like a narcissist trying to explain what a narcissist is.

Not a single person on 4 age groups at my club want to change.

This is coming from a trapped parent.

Every person I've talked to in the real world echoes what the podcast described: SY was the more logical cutoff, they think it was a mistake to change to BY, but they are unsure whether it's worth changing back or not because of the disruption.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:School year increases participation at the youngest ages, which increases the quantity and quality of players later. School year also eliminates trapped players in the MS/HS and HS/college transitions. It was a shortsighted switch to BY and it should be corrected. It will be a headache to correct, but it will be good for players (trapped players) and good for the system in the long run.

No it is not an issue. It is not worth the effort for few the “trapped” players. Go play rec.

Newsflash, for most kids in club soccer, it is rec. If I've learned anything from this thread, it's that almost 100% of the narcissistic aholes with zero empathy love BY. And, shockingly, their kids don't give a flying F about playing with friends nor can they understand the losers who do.

You sound like a narcissist trying to explain what a narcissist is.

Not a single person on 4 age groups at my club want to change.

This is coming from a trapped parent.

Every person I've talked to in the real world echoes what the podcast described: SY was the more logical cutoff, they think it was a mistake to change to BY, but they are unsure whether it's worth changing back or not because of the disruption.

Everyone I talk to in the real world says BY is and was the way to go back in 2018.

Who do you hang out with? My kids club is MLSN, EA, GA. DPL, SOCAL and rec teams. (West Coast)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School year increases participation at the youngest ages, which increases the quantity and quality of players later. School year also eliminates trapped players in the MS/HS and HS/college transitions. It was a shortsighted switch to BY and it should be corrected. It will be a headache to correct, but it will be good for players (trapped players) and good for the system in the long run.

No it is not an issue. It is not worth the effort for few the “trapped” players. Go play rec.

Newsflash, for most kids in club soccer, it is rec. If I've learned anything from this thread, it's that almost 100% of the narcissistic aholes with zero empathy love BY. And, shockingly, their kids don't give a flying F about playing with friends nor can they understand the losers who do.

You sound like a narcissist trying to explain what a narcissist is.

Not a single person on 4 age groups at my club want to change.

This is coming from a trapped parent.

Every person I've talked to in the real world echoes what the podcast described: SY was the more logical cutoff, they think it was a mistake to change to BY, but they are unsure whether it's worth changing back or not because of the disruption.

+ 1 As a parent who lived through it the first time, it's hard to say what is "best" because it depends on what interests are being served. The original reason for changing to BY was talent identification for the top minuscule percentage of players. For most others, using the school year makes more sense. What I can say for certain is that changing can be unpleasant and disruptive, particularly for kids at the transition point from small-sided to full field.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School year increases participation at the youngest ages, which increases the quantity and quality of players later. School year also eliminates trapped players in the MS/HS and HS/college transitions. It was a shortsighted switch to BY and it should be corrected. It will be a headache to correct, but it will be good for players (trapped players) and good for the system in the long run.

No it is not an issue. It is not worth the effort for few the “trapped” players. Go play rec.

Newsflash, for most kids in club soccer, it is rec. If I've learned anything from this thread, it's that almost 100% of the narcissistic aholes with zero empathy love BY. And, shockingly, their kids don't give a flying F about playing with friends nor can they understand the losers who do.

You sound like a narcissist trying to explain what a narcissist is.

Not a single person on 4 age groups at my club want to change.

This is coming from a trapped parent.

Every person I've talked to in the real world echoes what the podcast described: SY was the more logical cutoff, they think it was a mistake to change to BY, but they are unsure whether it's worth changing back or not because of the disruption.

Everyone I talk to in the real world says BY is and was the way to go back in 2018.

Who do you hang out with? My kids club is MLSN, EA, GA. DPL, SOCAL and rec teams. (West Coast)

ECNL and E64. I know one MLSN parent, outside of my soccer circle, who does think BY was right for MLSN but everyone else should be SY.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School year increases participation at the youngest ages, which increases the quantity and quality of players later. School year also eliminates trapped players in the MS/HS and HS/college transitions. It was a shortsighted switch to BY and it should be corrected. It will be a headache to correct, but it will be good for players (trapped players) and good for the system in the long run.

No it is not an issue. It is not worth the effort for few the “trapped” players. Go play rec.

Newsflash, for most kids in club soccer, it is rec. If I've learned anything from this thread, it's that almost 100% of the narcissistic aholes with zero empathy love BY. And, shockingly, their kids don't give a flying F about playing with friends nor can they understand the losers who do.

You sound like a narcissist trying to explain what a narcissist is.

Not a single person on 4 age groups at my club want to change.

This is coming from a trapped parent.

Most people do not like change. That isn't a reason to not do it.

So you're trying to tell someone with a trapped player who is intimately involved that doesn't think SY is the way to go what they should be thinking?

Come on, people with trapped players are telling you that SY is not the way to go. People with players that changing to SY would specifically benefit.

I have a trapped player and you are the first and only parent of a trapped that 8 have heard of that isn’t for the change. Perhaps your kid hasn’t reached recruiting age? where they’ve been screwed because a coach went to the wrong birth year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School year increases participation at the youngest ages, which increases the quantity and quality of players later. School year also eliminates trapped players in the MS/HS and HS/college transitions. It was a shortsighted switch to BY and it should be corrected. It will be a headache to correct, but it will be good for players (trapped players) and good for the system in the long run.

No it is not an issue. It is not worth the effort for few the “trapped” players. Go play rec.

Newsflash, for most kids in club soccer, it is rec. If I've learned anything from this thread, it's that almost 100% of the narcissistic aholes with zero empathy love BY. And, shockingly, their kids don't give a flying F about playing with friends nor can they understand the losers who do.

You sound like a narcissist trying to explain what a narcissist is.

Not a single person on 4 age groups at my club want to change.

This is coming from a trapped parent.

Every person I've talked to in the real world echoes what the podcast described: SY was the more logical cutoff, they think it was a mistake to change to BY, but they are unsure whether it's worth changing back or not because of the disruption.

If you are in ECNL and the majority of the parents you have talked to are also ECNL with younger kids….of course they will repeat what they heard. That’s all they know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School year increases participation at the youngest ages, which increases the quantity and quality of players later. School year also eliminates trapped players in the MS/HS and HS/college transitions. It was a shortsighted switch to BY and it should be corrected. It will be a headache to correct, but it will be good for players (trapped players) and good for the system in the long run.

No it is not an issue. It is not worth the effort for few the “trapped” players. Go play rec.

Newsflash, for most kids in club soccer, it is rec. If I've learned anything from this thread, it's that almost 100% of the narcissistic aholes with zero empathy love BY. And, shockingly, their kids don't give a flying F about playing with friends nor can they understand the losers who do.

You sound like a narcissist trying to explain what a narcissist is.

Not a single person on 4 age groups at my club want to change.

This is coming from a trapped parent.

Most people do not like change. That isn't a reason to not do it.

So you're trying to tell someone with a trapped player who is intimately involved that doesn't think SY is the way to go what they should be thinking?

Come on, people with trapped players are telling you that SY is not the way to go. People with players that changing to SY would specifically benefit.

I have a trapped player and you are the first and only parent of a trapped that 8 have heard of that isn’t for the change. Perhaps your kid hasn’t reached recruiting age? where they’ve been screwed because a coach went to the wrong birth year

If your kid is a trapped player and they are good, you don’t need to worry about a thing.

If your kid is having. A hard time getting recruited in later ages….well…..

With college rosters shrinking, it will be much tougher to get any sort of scholarship. You are either college level good or you’re not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School year increases participation at the youngest ages, which increases the quantity and quality of players later. School year also eliminates trapped players in the MS/HS and HS/college transitions. It was a shortsighted switch to BY and it should be corrected. It will be a headache to correct, but it will be good for players (trapped players) and good for the system in the long run.

No it is not an issue. It is not worth the effort for few the “trapped” players. Go play rec.

Newsflash, for most kids in club soccer, it is rec. If I've learned anything from this thread, it's that almost 100% of the narcissistic aholes with zero empathy love BY. And, shockingly, their kids don't give a flying F about playing with friends nor can they understand the losers who do.

You sound like a narcissist trying to explain what a narcissist is.

Not a single person on 4 age groups at my club want to change.

This is coming from a trapped parent.

Every person I've talked to in the real world echoes what the podcast described: SY was the more logical cutoff, they think it was a mistake to change to BY, but they are unsure whether it's worth changing back or not because of the disruption.

Everyone I talk to in the real world says BY is and was the way to go back in 2018.

Who do you hang out with? My kids club is MLSN, EA, GA. DPL, SOCAL and rec teams. (West Coast)

ECNL and E64. I know one MLSN parent, outside of my soccer circle, who does think BY was right for MLSN but everyone else should be SY.

I’m ok and prefer for everyone to change and MLSNext and hopefully a girls equivalent stick to SY. I like the idea of a separate path from those who play soccer for fun or whose final goal is college, from those who care about real development and pro or top d1 programs.

[Anonymous]

I think SY is better for the sport to increase its popularity. It's less about trapped players and more about having kids playing with friends.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School year increases participation at the youngest ages, which increases the quantity and quality of players later. School year also eliminates trapped players in the MS/HS and HS/college transitions. It was a shortsighted switch to BY and it should be corrected. It will be a headache to correct, but it will be good for players (trapped players) and good for the system in the long run.

No it is not an issue. It is not worth the effort for few the “trapped” players. Go play rec.

Newsflash, for most kids in club soccer, it is rec. If I've learned anything from this thread, it's that almost 100% of the narcissistic aholes with zero empathy love BY. And, shockingly, their kids don't give a flying F about playing with friends nor can they understand the losers who do.

You sound like a narcissist trying to explain what a narcissist is.

Not a single person on 4 age groups at my club want to change.

This is coming from a trapped parent.

Every person I've talked to in the real world echoes what the podcast described: SY was the more logical cutoff, they think it was a mistake to change to BY, but they are unsure whether it's worth changing back or not because of the disruption.

Everyone I talk to in the real world says BY is and was the way to go back in 2018.

Who do you hang out with? My kids club is MLSN, EA, GA. DPL, SOCAL and rec teams. (West Coast)

ECNL and E64. I know one MLSN parent, outside of my soccer circle, who does think BY was right for MLSN but everyone else should be SY.

I’m ok and prefer for everyone to change and MLSNext and hopefully a girls equivalent stick to SY. I like the idea of a separate path from those who play soccer for fun or whose final goal is college, from those who care about real development and pro or top d1 programs.

Be careful what you wish for.

On the boys side colleges almost always recruit MLSN players over ECNL.

Why would you want to play in a league that only caters to college recruiters when all the college recruiters prefer players from the "pro" development league?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think SY is better for the sport to increase its popularity. It's less about trapped players and more about having kids playing with friends.

As others have said this is what rec is for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think SY is better for the sport to increase its popularity. It's less about trapped players and more about having kids playing with friends.

My pro-SY opinion was formed many years ago at about U10. Two of my daughter's best friends were on her teams in AYSO, also Fall birthdays. They were arguably two of the best players in our AYSO region, probably the same or slightly stronger than my daughter. My daughter started club soccer at that time, which was a rough transition joining much bigger girls from the grade above, most of whom had been doing club for two years. We tried to convince her AYSO friends/parents to join, but when they found out club was BY (AYSO was SY) they said the girls didn't want to play with girls from the class above as that didn't sound fun. Tried again every year, same answer. Fast forward to U12 as AYSO teams were dying, and they decide to tryout for club. By this point my daughter had worked from B team to A team, and her friends were really only shooting for B team knowing they could be years behind. Couldn't even make B team, so quit soccer for other sports. These two still are good athletes. One is small but insanely fast and can run forever. I'm sure they could have joined another club, but this was the closest one so they viewed it as this one or nothing even though it's an aggressive goal to make this club as a good rec player at U12. I see no reason, athletically, that those friends, especially the super fast one, wouldn't be as good as my daughter today if they had started club at the same time. And I know first-hand they didn't start club earlier because of the BY cutoff.

My older daughter didn't play past AYSO, but a friend of hers at school, who we are friends with as parents, also said she didn't transition from AYSO to club because she had a Fall birthday and didn't want to play with girls above at those ages. Best player in the league, for sure, in AYSO days. Better than the girl in that class with a Spring birthday who now years later looks headed for D1 soccer (from ECNL/NL). According to the girls, this girl is still today by a wide margin the fastest girl in the grade, and she's a lacrosse star. The club intake issue is real from what I've watched.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think SY is better for the sport to increase its popularity. It's less about trapped players and more about having kids playing with friends.

My pro-SY opinion was formed many years ago at about U10. Two of my daughter's best friends were on her teams in AYSO, also Fall birthdays. They were arguably two of the best players in our AYSO region, probably the same or slightly stronger than my daughter. My daughter started club soccer at that time, which was a rough transition joining much bigger girls from the grade above, most of whom had been doing club for two years. We tried to convince her AYSO friends/parents to join, but when they found out club was BY (AYSO was SY) they said the girls didn't want to play with girls from the class above as that didn't sound fun. Tried again every year, same answer. Fast forward to U12 as AYSO teams were dying, and they decide to tryout for club. By this point my daughter had worked from B team to A team, and her friends were really only shooting for B team knowing they could be years behind. Couldn't even make B team, so quit soccer for other sports. These two still are good athletes. One is small but insanely fast and can run forever. I'm sure they could have joined another club, but this was the closest one so they viewed it as this one or nothing even though it's an aggressive goal to make this club as a good rec player at U12. I see no reason, athletically, that those friends, especially the super fast one, wouldn't be as good as my daughter today if they had started club at the same time. And I know first-hand they didn't start club earlier because of the BY cutoff.

My older daughter didn't play past AYSO, but a friend of hers at school, who we are friends with as parents, also said she didn't transition from AYSO to club because she had a Fall birthday and didn't want to play with girls above at those ages. Best player in the league, for sure, in AYSO days. Better than the girl in that class with a Spring birthday who now years later looks headed for D1 soccer (from ECNL/NL). According to the girls, this girl is still today by a wide margin the fastest girl in the grade, and she's a lacrosse star. The club intake issue is real from what I've watched.

Funny, my kid has a Sept birthday and played AYSO for a couple of years. I was even coach for 2 seasons.

She asked to play club against better players. She made the top team (with players a grade up in school) and has played on the top team ever since.

Maybe it's not playing with kids their grade in school that your kid chose to stop playing.

Ironically, since the whole BY vs SY debate coaches have been reaching out because they see that my kid can continue to play at the age their playing now or potentially down an age group if things change.

I think it's all stupid and a distracting waste of time. At the highest levels it doesn't matter if your kids a trapped player or not. Colleges will identify them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:School year increases participation at the youngest ages, which increases the quantity and quality of players later. School year also eliminates trapped players in the MS/HS and HS/college transitions. It was a shortsighted switch to BY and it should be corrected. It will be a headache to correct, but it will be good for players (trapped players) and good for the system in the long run.

No it is not an issue. It is not worth the effort for few the “trapped” players. Go play rec.

Newsflash, for most kids in club soccer, it is rec. If I've learned anything from this thread, it's that almost 100% of the narcissistic aholes with zero empathy love BY. And, shockingly, their kids don't give a flying F about playing with friends nor can they understand the losers who do.

You sound like a narcissist trying to explain what a narcissist is.

Not a single person on 4 age groups at my club want to change.

This is coming from a trapped parent.

Every person I've talked to in the real world echoes what the podcast described: SY was the more logical cutoff, they think it was a mistake to change to BY, but they are unsure whether it's worth changing back or not because of the disruption.

Everyone I talk to in the real world says BY is and was the way to go back in 2018.

Who do you hang out with? My kids club is MLSN, EA, GA. DPL, SOCAL and rec teams. (West Coast)

ECNL and E64. I know one MLSN parent, outside of my soccer circle, who does think BY was right for MLSN but everyone else should be SY.

I’m ok and prefer for everyone to change and MLSNext and hopefully a girls equivalent stick to SY. I like the idea of a separate path from those who play soccer for fun or whose final goal is college, from those who care about real development and pro or top d1 programs.

Be careful what you wish for.

On the boys side colleges almost always recruit MLSN players over ECNL.

Why would you want to play in a league that only caters to college recruiters when all the college recruiters prefer players from the "pro" development league?

I’m PP. I don’t. My DS is in MLSNext and I prefer the kids in that league to have the similar mindset of pro or high level D1.