Hairy legs in an office setting

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Anonymous wrote:You can be honest and tell her that it is outside the norms and that some people will judge (but not say anything, because they could almost certainly be fired for that) but then leave it at that. The rest is up to her. If she knows the norms and chooses not to follow them, she’s an independent thinker. Good for her.

And it’s not like it’ll affect her career path or promotion potential or anything. She’s in high school. Most normal people, if they notice at all, will shrug and think “huh, kids today.”

OP. This is what I worry about, that it WILL affect her experience there and the recommendation she gets, etc. Later on when she has some seniority she can do what she wants. Right now she’s the most powerless person there, though. It seems bratty and entitled to go against office norms in your very first professional experience.

That seems crazy to me that leg hair would affect a potential recommendation. They already hired her so they must faith that she can do a good job. So she needs to do a good job. You’re overthinking the hair.

I think you underestimate the impact your physical appearance has in a professional setting.

No, I understand it well. But if she’s clean and dressed appropriately, this is really none of anyone’s concern.

So you don't get it! It is none of their concert of course, but she will be judged for it. When you are young and starting out, you want to fit in. Not the opposite.

Are you DD? I don't think you know what "young people" just starting out want or feel.

She isn't going there for a therapy session on how she feels. She is going there to impress them and get a job.

Huh? Are you the pp I was replying to? She already has the internship. She doesnt need to shave her legs to "fit in" with the old ladies. People suggesting this I do not think are even aware of how young folks behave these days.

You really are clueless.

How? By thinking women should be able to do their jobs without pressure from old ladies on their sexist hair removal ideas?

I can 100% guarantee that you do not have a professional job in an office environment. Also, you're just as obnoxious as you are clueless.

DP. What is your job? How much your performance is based on your grooming?

I work in a C-suite. I would absolutely be judged if I wasn't dressed and groomed appropriately. Now you? What do you do?

C-suite in a company of one.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you all need to get with the times. I’ve seen male school administrators wearing nail polish to work, wedding coordinators at very traditional, conservative weddings with bright purple hair. Nobody cares about a high school girl’s leg hair.

So then you don't shave your legs either? Do you wear skirts and dresses to the office?

I do, but I wouldn’t care if I saw someone at work who didn’t. My high school DD only does very occasionally. This is her journey on earth, she can present herself how she wants.

So you're a hypocrite. Telling us how we must get with the times and then succumb to the pressure of shaving. Why do you do it if you're so with the times?

No, my intention was not to suggest that everyone should stop shaving. By “get with the times,” I meant that people should (at least try to) stop judging people’s choices about how they present themselves. Sorry you misunderstood.

But you still understand the societal and professional impact of not shaving, so you do it. What am I missing?

Do you not understand the difference between doing something because YOU want to do it, and expecting everyone else to do exactly as YOU do because YOU want them to?

You can wear a full face of makeup, full blowout and do an everything shower every morning before you get to work. No one else is required to follow your self imposed grooming standards. Stop judging women who don't want to fit into your tiny narrow box full of other old ladies.

Exactly. PP has probably never worked with people from a variety of cultures. Certainly isn’t c-level.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you all need to get with the times. I’ve seen male school administrators wearing nail polish to work, wedding coordinators at very traditional, conservative weddings with bright purple hair. Nobody cares about a high school girl’s leg hair.

So then you don't shave your legs either? Do you wear skirts and dresses to the office?

I do, but I wouldn’t care if I saw someone at work who didn’t. My high school DD only does very occasionally. This is her journey on earth, she can present herself how she wants.

So you're a hypocrite. Telling us how we must get with the times and then succumb to the pressure of shaving. Why do you do it if you're so with the times?

No, my intention was not to suggest that everyone should stop shaving. By “get with the times,” I meant that people should (at least try to) stop judging people’s choices about how they present themselves. Sorry you misunderstood.

But you still understand the societal and professional impact of not shaving, so you do it. What am I missing?

DP, but I came of age when shaving was a big thing, so I did it. Now in my 50s, I keep it up daily because I hate the way stubble feels. Not because I GAF what anyone else thinks. FWIW, I don’t Botox, wear makeup, or dye my hair, all of which apparently set me back in society and professionally. But that’s also my choice. Because that’s what this is about! The thought that a HS kid is somehow risking her professional career by not shaving is laughable.

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Anonymous wrote:If she doesn't shave she'll have to get by on her skills and your connections, not her looks. Her choice.

Which is a good thing, right?

Can the PP please clarify the meaning of
“If she doesn't shave she'll have to get by on her skills and your connections, not her looks. Her choice.”

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody at work cares about her leg hair.

The women who insist every female must be clean shaven are outing themselves as sheltered, conservative or just old.

(I’m an old woman who shaves daily, but recognize that standards have changed. And that’s fine.)

They don’t work and don’t understand how things are at the workplace

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I think it is something that the norm is changing for. My DD (22) does not shave her legs. I do not think it looks appropriate..but I know she thinks i am just dated. I also know there is no real reason why women should shave! I shave. She doesn't. She earns almost as much as I do at 22 so I guess she it has not harmed her professionally.

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Anonymous wrote:You can be honest and tell her that it is outside the norms and that some people will judge (but not say anything, because they could almost certainly be fired for that) but then leave it at that. The rest is up to her. If she knows the norms and chooses not to follow them, she’s an independent thinker. Good for her.

And it’s not like it’ll affect her career path or promotion potential or anything. She’s in high school. Most normal people, if they notice at all, will shrug and think “huh, kids today.”

OP. This is what I worry about, that it WILL affect her experience there and the recommendation she gets, etc. Later on when she has some seniority she can do what she wants. Right now she’s the most powerless person there, though. It seems bratty and entitled to go against office norms in your very first professional experience.

That seems crazy to me that leg hair would affect a potential recommendation. They already hired her so they must faith that she can do a good job. So she needs to do a good job. You’re overthinking the hair.

I think you underestimate the impact your physical appearance has in a professional setting.

No, I understand it well. But if she’s clean and dressed appropriately, this is really none of anyone’s concern.

So you don't get it! It is none of their concert of course, but she will be judged for it. When you are young and starting out, you want to fit in. Not the opposite.

Are you DD? I don't think you know what "young people" just starting out want or feel.

She isn't going there for a therapy session on how she feels. She is going there to impress them and get a job.

Huh? Are you the pp I was replying to? She already has the internship. She doesnt need to shave her legs to "fit in" with the old ladies. People suggesting this I do not think are even aware of how young folks behave these days.

You really are clueless.

How? By thinking women should be able to do their jobs without pressure from old ladies on their sexist hair removal ideas?

I can 100% guarantee that you do not have a professional job in an office environment. Also, you're just as obnoxious as you are clueless.

DP. What is your job? How much your performance is based on your grooming?

I work in a C-suite. I would absolutely be judged if I wasn't dressed and groomed appropriately. Now you? What do you do?

C-suite in a company of one.

Like I said, you are clueless because you are not in a professional setting. You know nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tell her to wear pantyhose if she doesn't want to shave! Isn't that what our grandmother's generation did?

Fall is just around the corner - she can wear tights!

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Anonymous wrote:If she doesn't shave she'll have to get by on her skills and your connections, not her looks. Her choice.

Which is a good thing, right?

Can the PP please clarify the meaning of
“If she doesn't shave she'll have to get by on her skills and your connections, not her looks. Her choice.”

Lol. Anyone that thinks they are "getting by" on the lack of hair on their legs is seriously disturbed.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you all need to get with the times. I’ve seen male school administrators wearing nail polish to work, wedding coordinators at very traditional, conservative weddings with bright purple hair. Nobody cares about a high school girl’s leg hair.

So then you don't shave your legs either? Do you wear skirts and dresses to the office?

I do, but I wouldn’t care if I saw someone at work who didn’t. My high school DD only does very occasionally. This is her journey on earth, she can present herself how she wants.

So you're a hypocrite. Telling us how we must get with the times and then succumb to the pressure of shaving. Why do you do it if you're so with the times?

No, my intention was not to suggest that everyone should stop shaving. By “get with the times,” I meant that people should (at least try to) stop judging people’s choices about how they present themselves. Sorry you misunderstood.

But you still understand the societal and professional impact of not shaving, so you do it. What am I missing?

Do you not understand the difference between doing something because YOU want to do it, and expecting everyone else to do exactly as YOU do because YOU want them to?

You can wear a full face of makeup, full blowout and do an everything shower every morning before you get to work. No one else is required to follow your self imposed grooming standards. Stop judging women who don't want to fit into your tiny narrow box full of other old ladies.

Exactly. PP has probably never worked with people from a variety of cultures. Certainly isn’t c-level.

I said I work in a c-suite not that I am an excutive. It’s pretty clear your are not in a professional office environment and it’s clear why. It’s most important to you to fight some stupid leg hair battle than to be successful.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you all need to get with the times. I’ve seen male school administrators wearing nail polish to work, wedding coordinators at very traditional, conservative weddings with bright purple hair. Nobody cares about a high school girl’s leg hair.

So then you don't shave your legs either? Do you wear skirts and dresses to the office?

I do, but I wouldn’t care if I saw someone at work who didn’t. My high school DD only does very occasionally. This is her journey on earth, she can present herself how she wants.

So you're a hypocrite. Telling us how we must get with the times and then succumb to the pressure of shaving. Why do you do it if you're so with the times?

No, my intention was not to suggest that everyone should stop shaving. By “get with the times,” I meant that people should (at least try to) stop judging people’s choices about how they present themselves. Sorry you misunderstood.

But you still understand the societal and professional impact of not shaving, so you do it. What am I missing?

Do you not understand the difference between doing something because YOU want to do it, and expecting everyone else to do exactly as YOU do because YOU want them to?

You can wear a full face of makeup, full blowout and do an everything shower every morning before you get to work. No one else is required to follow your self imposed grooming standards. Stop judging women who don't want to fit into your tiny narrow box full of other old ladies.

Exactly. PP has probably never worked with people from a variety of cultures. Certainly isn’t c-level.

I said I work in a c-suite not that I am an excutive. It’s pretty clear your are not in a professional office environment and it’s clear why. It’s most important to you to fight some stupid leg hair battle than to be successful.

Dear, it is YOU fighting some stupid battle. The rest of us are just living our lives, some shaved, some waxed, some neither. You should try minding your own business, you may find it liberating!

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you all need to get with the times. I’ve seen male school administrators wearing nail polish to work, wedding coordinators at very traditional, conservative weddings with bright purple hair. Nobody cares about a high school girl’s leg hair.

So then you don't shave your legs either? Do you wear skirts and dresses to the office?

I do, but I wouldn’t care if I saw someone at work who didn’t. My high school DD only does very occasionally. This is her journey on earth, she can present herself how she wants.

So you're a hypocrite. Telling us how we must get with the times and then succumb to the pressure of shaving. Why do you do it if you're so with the times?

No, my intention was not to suggest that everyone should stop shaving. By “get with the times,” I meant that people should (at least try to) stop judging people’s choices about how they present themselves. Sorry you misunderstood.

But you still understand the societal and professional impact of not shaving, so you do it. What am I missing?

Do you not understand the difference between doing something because YOU want to do it, and expecting everyone else to do exactly as YOU do because YOU want them to?

You can wear a full face of makeup, full blowout and do an everything shower every morning before you get to work. No one else is required to follow your self imposed grooming standards. Stop judging women who don't want to fit into your tiny narrow box full of other old ladies.

Exactly. PP has probably never worked with people from a variety of cultures. Certainly isn’t c-level.

I said I work in a c-suite not that I am an excutive. It’s pretty clear your are not in a professional office environment and it’s clear why. It’s most important to you to fight some stupid leg hair battle than to be successful.

Dear, it is YOU fighting some stupid battle. The rest of us are just living our lives, some shaved, some waxed, some neither. You should try minding your own business, you may find it liberating!

I’m plenty liberated and answering OPs question. I’m just smarter than you and have figured out that work is not a place for self expression. I also don’t care that a McDonalds manager doesn’t feel the need to shave. But if you want to be successful, for now at least, that is the norm. But I get that you don’t know that.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you all need to get with the times. I’ve seen male school administrators wearing nail polish to work, wedding coordinators at very traditional, conservative weddings with bright purple hair. Nobody cares about a high school girl’s leg hair.

So then you don't shave your legs either? Do you wear skirts and dresses to the office?

I do, but I wouldn’t care if I saw someone at work who didn’t. My high school DD only does very occasionally. This is her journey on earth, she can present herself how she wants.

So you're a hypocrite. Telling us how we must get with the times and then succumb to the pressure of shaving. Why do you do it if you're so with the times?

No, my intention was not to suggest that everyone should stop shaving. By “get with the times,” I meant that people should (at least try to) stop judging people’s choices about how they present themselves. Sorry you misunderstood.

But you still understand the societal and professional impact of not shaving, so you do it. What am I missing?

Do you not understand the difference between doing something because YOU want to do it, and expecting everyone else to do exactly as YOU do because YOU want them to?

You can wear a full face of makeup, full blowout and do an everything shower every morning before you get to work. No one else is required to follow your self imposed grooming standards. Stop judging women who don't want to fit into your tiny narrow box full of other old ladies.

Exactly. PP has probably never worked with people from a variety of cultures. Certainly isn’t c-level.

I said I work in a c-suite not that I am an excutive. It’s pretty clear your are not in a professional office environment and it’s clear why. It’s most important to you to fight some stupid leg hair battle than to be successful.

Dear, it is YOU fighting some stupid battle. The rest of us are just living our lives, some shaved, some waxed, some neither. You should try minding your own business, you may find it liberating!

I’m plenty liberated and answering OPs question. I’m just smarter than you and have figured out that work is not a place for self expression. I also don’t care that a McDonalds manager doesn’t feel the need to shave. But if you want to be successful, for now at least, that is the norm. But I get that you don’t know that.

Lol! You're so triggered by other women not wanting to remove their leg hair. It's quite bizarre that you seem to think you're the smartest person on the internet and everyone who disagrees with you is lesser somehow . Maybe someone hurt you or stifled your desires from a young age, no need to perpetuate such hate now that you're a grown adult. Insecure people lash out like you're doing, therapy may be helpful for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you all need to get with the times. I’ve seen male school administrators wearing nail polish to work, wedding coordinators at very traditional, conservative weddings with bright purple hair. Nobody cares about a high school girl’s leg hair.

So then you don't shave your legs either? Do you wear skirts and dresses to the office?

I do, but I wouldn’t care if I saw someone at work who didn’t. My high school DD only does very occasionally. This is her journey on earth, she can present herself how she wants.

So you're a hypocrite. Telling us how we must get with the times and then succumb to the pressure of shaving. Why do you do it if you're so with the times?

No, my intention was not to suggest that everyone should stop shaving. By “get with the times,” I meant that people should (at least try to) stop judging people’s choices about how they present themselves. Sorry you misunderstood.

But you still understand the societal and professional impact of not shaving, so you do it. What am I missing?

Do you not understand the difference between doing something because YOU want to do it, and expecting everyone else to do exactly as YOU do because YOU want them to?

You can wear a full face of makeup, full blowout and do an everything shower every morning before you get to work. No one else is required to follow your self imposed grooming standards. Stop judging women who don't want to fit into your tiny narrow box full of other old ladies.

Exactly. PP has probably never worked with people from a variety of cultures. Certainly isn’t c-level.

I said I work in a c-suite not that I am an excutive. It’s pretty clear your are not in a professional office environment and it’s clear why. It’s most important to you to fight some stupid leg hair battle than to be successful.

Dear, it is YOU fighting some stupid battle. The rest of us are just living our lives, some shaved, some waxed, some neither. You should try minding your own business, you may find it liberating!

I’m plenty liberated and answering OPs question. I’m just smarter than you and have figured out that work is not a place for self expression. I also don’t care that a McDonalds manager doesn’t feel the need to shave. But if you want to be successful, for now at least, that is the norm. But I get that you don’t know that.

Lol! You're so triggered by other women not wanting to remove their leg hair. It's quite bizarre that you seem to think you're the smartest person on the internet and everyone who disagrees with you is lesser somehow . Maybe someone hurt you or stifled your desires from a young age, no need to perpetuate such hate now that you're a grown adult. Insecure people lash out like you're doing, therapy may be helpful for you.

😂😂😂. OP asked for opinions and I offered one. I may not be the smartest person on the internet but I’m definitely smarter than you. Still waiting to hear what you do, since you’re so brave and qualified to answer OP.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you all need to get with the times. I’ve seen male school administrators wearing nail polish to work, wedding coordinators at very traditional, conservative weddings with bright purple hair. Nobody cares about a high school girl’s leg hair.

So then you don't shave your legs either? Do you wear skirts and dresses to the office?

I do, but I wouldn’t care if I saw someone at work who didn’t. My high school DD only does very occasionally. This is her journey on earth, she can present herself how she wants.

So you're a hypocrite. Telling us how we must get with the times and then succumb to the pressure of shaving. Why do you do it if you're so with the times?

No, my intention was not to suggest that everyone should stop shaving. By “get with the times,” I meant that people should (at least try to) stop judging people’s choices about how they present themselves. Sorry you misunderstood.

But you still understand the societal and professional impact of not shaving, so you do it. What am I missing?

Do you not understand the difference between doing something because YOU want to do it, and expecting everyone else to do exactly as YOU do because YOU want them to?

You can wear a full face of makeup, full blowout and do an everything shower every morning before you get to work. No one else is required to follow your self imposed grooming standards. Stop judging women who don't want to fit into your tiny narrow box full of other old ladies.

Exactly. PP has probably never worked with people from a variety of cultures. Certainly isn’t c-level.

I said I work in a c-suite not that I am an excutive. It’s pretty clear your are not in a professional office environment and it’s clear why. It’s most important to you to fight some stupid leg hair battle than to be successful.

Dear, it is YOU fighting some stupid battle. The rest of us are just living our lives, some shaved, some waxed, some neither. You should try minding your own business, you may find it liberating!

I’m plenty liberated and answering OPs question. I’m just smarter than you and have figured out that work is not a place for self expression. I also don’t care that a McDonalds manager doesn’t feel the need to shave. But if you want to be successful, for now at least, that is the norm. But I get that you don’t know that.

Lol! You're so triggered by other women not wanting to remove their leg hair. It's quite bizarre that you seem to think you're the smartest person on the internet and everyone who disagrees with you is lesser somehow . Maybe someone hurt you or stifled your desires from a young age, no need to perpetuate such hate now that you're a grown adult. Insecure people lash out like you're doing, therapy may be helpful for you.

😂😂😂. OP asked for opinions and I offered one. I may not be the smartest person on the internet but I’m definitely smarter than you. Still waiting to hear what you do, since you’re so brave and qualified to answer OP.

Why do you think I have to prove myself to you? You're so hurt and yet entitled at the same time, weird mix.

I go into the office twice a week - yes, sometimes with hairy legs! Working out just fine for me, but your concern is touching.