MCPS boasts about 54.9% 3rd ELA proficiency rate in latest MCAP results

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

Or maybe our system is not doing its job? The MCAP is not the only proof point that says our kids are not reading and doing math at proficiency levels that previous generations were capable of doing.

When you said "our system ", what are referring to? Because no jurisdiction is "doing is job", no one is getting 50% on the math and some are barely making the grade on the ELA.
It tells me that it's not the jurisdictions, but the test to be evaluated.

When I said the system, I was talking about MCPS in particular. MCPS has specific failures and shortcomings that this test is highlighting.

The bigger system, which is the MSDE and all of our school systems in aggregate (which also includes MCPS), is also failing. Which is why the the MD State Superintendent Carey Wright said she wants to re-examine MSDE's school report cards because the state's schools can't be as good as they're claiming with these levels of proficiencies.

The state of public education has been failing for a long time now. We're just now catching on to that fact.

Everybody is falling that test, not just MCPS.
It's the test.

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

Or maybe our system is not doing its job? The MCAP is not the only proof point that says our kids are not reading and doing math at proficiency levels that previous generations were capable of doing.

When you said "our system ", what are referring to? Because no jurisdiction is "doing is job", no one is getting 50% on the math and some are barely making the grade on the ELA.
It tells me that it's not the jurisdictions, but the test to be evaluated.

When I said the system, I was talking about MCPS in particular. MCPS has specific failures and shortcomings that this test is highlighting.

The bigger system, which is the MSDE and all of our school systems in aggregate (which also includes MCPS), is also failing. Which is why the the MD State Superintendent Carey Wright said she wants to re-examine MSDE's school report cards because the state's schools can't be as good as they're claiming with these levels of proficiencies.

The state of public education has been failing for a long time now. We're just now catching on to that fact.

Everybody is falling that test, not just MCPS.
It's the test.

What about the fact that Hopkins said MCPS was failing kids back in 2018? Was the test the problem then too?

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

Or maybe our system is not doing its job? The MCAP is not the only proof point that says our kids are not reading and doing math at proficiency levels that previous generations were capable of doing.

When you said "our system ", what are referring to? Because no jurisdiction is "doing is job", no one is getting 50% on the math and some are barely making the grade on the ELA.
It tells me that it's not the jurisdictions, but the test to be evaluated.

When I said the system, I was talking about MCPS in particular. MCPS has specific failures and shortcomings that this test is highlighting.

The bigger system, which is the MSDE and all of our school systems in aggregate (which also includes MCPS), is also failing. Which is why the the MD State Superintendent Carey Wright said she wants to re-examine MSDE's school report cards because the state's schools can't be as good as they're claiming with these levels of proficiencies.

The state of public education has been failing for a long time now. We're just now catching on to that fact.

Everybody is falling that test, not just MCPS.
It's the test.

What about the fact that Hopkins said MCPS was failing kids back in 2018? Was the test the problem then too?

The Hopkins audit in 2018 was evaluating MCPS's Curriculum 2.0 in grades K-8. MCPS switched from Curriculum 2.0 to four new products shortly thereafter.

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

Or maybe our system is not doing its job? The MCAP is not the only proof point that says our kids are not reading and doing math at proficiency levels that previous generations were capable of doing.

When you said "our system ", what are referring to? Because no jurisdiction is "doing is job", no one is getting 50% on the math and some are barely making the grade on the ELA.
It tells me that it's not the jurisdictions, but the test to be evaluated.

When I said the system, I was talking about MCPS in particular. MCPS has specific failures and shortcomings that this test is highlighting.

The bigger system, which is the MSDE and all of our school systems in aggregate (which also includes MCPS), is also failing. Which is why the the MD State Superintendent Carey Wright said she wants to re-examine MSDE's school report cards because the state's schools can't be as good as they're claiming with these levels of proficiencies.

The state of public education has been failing for a long time now. We're just now catching on to that fact.

To your last sentence: some of us have suspected it for awhile. I remember when the Hopkins audit on MCPS came out in 2018. Some of us on here were ringing alarm bells. Most of you dismissed it.

You know what, you're right. I forgot about the 2018 audit. MCPS just gets away with this aura of quality because of its historical reputation, but the truth is the decline has been in the making for at least a decade. And of course the pandemic only worsened the situation.

Can you link that report or elaborate on the BLUF? My kid was too young for me to have dug into that data (although after testing Mcps for one year we quickly moved onto a private...so don't disagree that the ship is sinking. Just curious what the pre covid data looked like).

Here it is!

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/curriculum/integrated/executivesummarymcps.pdf

It was a big reason we also opted for private.

And before people start jumping on us for being on this thread: the state of MCPS is relevant to everyone.

Thank you for linking to the original, PP.

To me, this is the most damning statement:

The instrument of analysis was an MCPS-appropriate version of the Student Work Analysis Tool that is part of Student Achievement Partners’ Instructional Practice Toolkit (IPT). In total, the team reviewed 36 different assignments and 530 student work samples in math, and 34 assignments and 455 student work samples in ELA. Overall, the student work samples indicate a misalignment between the learning standards and most student assignments.

Math:
- Student work samples did not consistently show mastery of the learning standard. Student work samples show that fewer than a third of students master their assignments in either ELA or math, although mastery in mathematics is higher than in ELA.
- In K through 2nd-grade math, student work samples did not consistently show full or close to full mastery of the targeted standard.

ELA:
- ELA lessons did not consistently show alignment to the targeted standard. In the analysis of student work samples, fewer than a quarter of students show complete mastery of the assignments’ targeted standards.
- In the majority of student work samples analyzed, students did not consistently show mastery in the comprehension of their texts.

So for posters who want to claim that the MCAP is flawed, how can that be the case when the MCAP is revealing what the Hopkins audit revealed in 2018, which is that the system is not producing students who can meet district, state or federal standards? Cut the crap. MCPS has failed in its mission.

Huh?
The report was about C2.0 and it found that it was deficient, specifically for certain groups. None of that nonsense you're babbling out.

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

Or maybe our system is not doing its job? The MCAP is not the only proof point that says our kids are not reading and doing math at proficiency levels that previous generations were capable of doing.

When you said "our system ", what are referring to? Because no jurisdiction is "doing is job", no one is getting 50% on the math and some are barely making the grade on the ELA.
It tells me that it's not the jurisdictions, but the test to be evaluated.

When I said the system, I was talking about MCPS in particular. MCPS has specific failures and shortcomings that this test is highlighting.

The bigger system, which is the MSDE and all of our school systems in aggregate (which also includes MCPS), is also failing. Which is why the the MD State Superintendent Carey Wright said she wants to re-examine MSDE's school report cards because the state's schools can't be as good as they're claiming with these levels of proficiencies.

The state of public education has been failing for a long time now. We're just now catching on to that fact.

Everybody is falling that test, not just MCPS.
It's the test.

What about the fact that Hopkins said MCPS was failing kids back in 2018? Was the test the problem then too?

The Hopkins audit in 2018 was evaluating MCPS's Curriculum 2.0 in grades K-8. MCPS switched from Curriculum 2.0 to four new products shortly thereafter.

Yes, and the fact that the system has been failing kids ever since is a sign that the tests and products aren’t the primary problem here.

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

Or maybe our system is not doing its job? The MCAP is not the only proof point that says our kids are not reading and doing math at proficiency levels that previous generations were capable of doing.

When you said "our system ", what are referring to? Because no jurisdiction is "doing is job", no one is getting 50% on the math and some are barely making the grade on the ELA.
It tells me that it's not the jurisdictions, but the test to be evaluated.

When I said the system, I was talking about MCPS in particular. MCPS has specific failures and shortcomings that this test is highlighting.

The bigger system, which is the MSDE and all of our school systems in aggregate (which also includes MCPS), is also failing. Which is why the the MD State Superintendent Carey Wright said she wants to re-examine MSDE's school report cards because the state's schools can't be as good as they're claiming with these levels of proficiencies.

The state of public education has been failing for a long time now. We're just now catching on to that fact.

Everybody is falling that test, not just MCPS.
It's the test.

What about the fact that Hopkins said MCPS was failing kids back in 2018? Was the test the problem then too?

That's not what the Hopkins report said.
Do you know what the Hopkins report was about?

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

Or maybe our system is not doing its job? The MCAP is not the only proof point that says our kids are not reading and doing math at proficiency levels that previous generations were capable of doing.

When you said "our system ", what are referring to? Because no jurisdiction is "doing is job", no one is getting 50% on the math and some are barely making the grade on the ELA.
It tells me that it's not the jurisdictions, but the test to be evaluated.

When I said the system, I was talking about MCPS in particular. MCPS has specific failures and shortcomings that this test is highlighting.

The bigger system, which is the MSDE and all of our school systems in aggregate (which also includes MCPS), is also failing. Which is why the the MD State Superintendent Carey Wright said she wants to re-examine MSDE's school report cards because the state's schools can't be as good as they're claiming with these levels of proficiencies.

The state of public education has been failing for a long time now. We're just now catching on to that fact.

Everybody is falling that test, not just MCPS.
It's the test.

What about the fact that Hopkins said MCPS was failing kids back in 2018? Was the test the problem then too?

That's not what the Hopkins report said.
Do you know what the Hopkins report was about?

It said C2.0 was not bringing kids up to standards. It said kids weren’t being exposed to grade level materials and, in the majority of work samples included in the study, did not show adequate comprehension of the material.

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

Or maybe our system is not doing its job? The MCAP is not the only proof point that says our kids are not reading and doing math at proficiency levels that previous generations were capable of doing.

When you said "our system ", what are referring to? Because no jurisdiction is "doing is job", no one is getting 50% on the math and some are barely making the grade on the ELA.
It tells me that it's not the jurisdictions, but the test to be evaluated.

When I said the system, I was talking about MCPS in particular. MCPS has specific failures and shortcomings that this test is highlighting.

The bigger system, which is the MSDE and all of our school systems in aggregate (which also includes MCPS), is also failing. Which is why the the MD State Superintendent Carey Wright said she wants to re-examine MSDE's school report cards because the state's schools can't be as good as they're claiming with these levels of proficiencies.

The state of public education has been failing for a long time now. We're just now catching on to that fact.

Everybody is falling that test, not just MCPS.
It's the test.

What about the fact that Hopkins said MCPS was failing kids back in 2018? Was the test the problem then too?

That's not what the Hopkins report said.
Do you know what the Hopkins report was about?

It said C2.0 was not bringing kids up to standards. It said kids weren’t being exposed to grade level materials and, in the majority of work samples included in the study, did not show adequate comprehension of the material.

Certain kids/groups

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

Or maybe our system is not doing its job? The MCAP is not the only proof point that says our kids are not reading and doing math at proficiency levels that previous generations were capable of doing.

When you said "our system ", what are referring to? Because no jurisdiction is "doing is job", no one is getting 50% on the math and some are barely making the grade on the ELA.
It tells me that it's not the jurisdictions, but the test to be evaluated.

When I said the system, I was talking about MCPS in particular. MCPS has specific failures and shortcomings that this test is highlighting.

The bigger system, which is the MSDE and all of our school systems in aggregate (which also includes MCPS), is also failing. Which is why the the MD State Superintendent Carey Wright said she wants to re-examine MSDE's school report cards because the state's schools can't be as good as they're claiming with these levels of proficiencies.

The state of public education has been failing for a long time now. We're just now catching on to that fact.

Everybody is falling that test, not just MCPS.
It's the test.

What about the fact that Hopkins said MCPS was failing kids back in 2018? Was the test the problem then too?

That's not what the Hopkins report said.
Do you know what the Hopkins report was about?

It said C2.0 was not bringing kids up to standards. It said kids weren’t being exposed to grade level materials and, in the majority of work samples included in the study, did not show adequate comprehension of the material.

Certain kids/groups

No. This isn’t a situation where you can excuse MCPS because only the poor black and Hispanic kids are struggling.

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

Or maybe our system is not doing its job? The MCAP is not the only proof point that says our kids are not reading and doing math at proficiency levels that previous generations were capable of doing.

When you said "our system ", what are referring to? Because no jurisdiction is "doing is job", no one is getting 50% on the math and some are barely making the grade on the ELA.
It tells me that it's not the jurisdictions, but the test to be evaluated.

When I said the system, I was talking about MCPS in particular. MCPS has specific failures and shortcomings that this test is highlighting.

The bigger system, which is the MSDE and all of our school systems in aggregate (which also includes MCPS), is also failing. Which is why the the MD State Superintendent Carey Wright said she wants to re-examine MSDE's school report cards because the state's schools can't be as good as they're claiming with these levels of proficiencies.

The state of public education has been failing for a long time now. We're just now catching on to that fact.

To your last sentence: some of us have suspected it for awhile. I remember when the Hopkins audit on MCPS came out in 2018. Some of us on here were ringing alarm bells. Most of you dismissed it.

You know what, you're right. I forgot about the 2018 audit. MCPS just gets away with this aura of quality because of its historical reputation, but the truth is the decline has been in the making for at least a decade. And of course the pandemic only worsened the situation.

Can you link that report or elaborate on the BLUF? My kid was too young for me to have dug into that data (although after testing Mcps for one year we quickly moved onto a private...so don't disagree that the ship is sinking. Just curious what the pre covid data looked like).

Here it is!

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/curriculum/integrated/executivesummarymcps.pdf

It was a big reason we also opted for private.

And before people start jumping on us for being on this thread: the state of MCPS is relevant to everyone.

Thank you for linking to the original, PP.

To me, this is the most damning statement:

The instrument of analysis was an MCPS-appropriate version of the Student Work Analysis Tool that is part of Student Achievement Partners’ Instructional Practice Toolkit (IPT). In total, the team reviewed 36 different assignments and 530 student work samples in math, and 34 assignments and 455 student work samples in ELA. Overall, the student work samples indicate a misalignment between the learning standards and most student assignments.

Math:
- Student work samples did not consistently show mastery of the learning standard. Student work samples show that fewer than a third of students master their assignments in either ELA or math, although mastery in mathematics is higher than in ELA.
- In K through 2nd-grade math, student work samples did not consistently show full or close to full mastery of the targeted standard.

ELA:
- ELA lessons did not consistently show alignment to the targeted standard. In the analysis of student work samples, fewer than a quarter of students show complete mastery of the assignments’ targeted standards.
- In the majority of student work samples analyzed, students did not consistently show mastery in the comprehension of their texts.

So for posters who want to claim that the MCAP is flawed, how can that be the case when the MCAP is revealing what the Hopkins audit revealed in 2018, which is that the system is not producing students who can meet district, state or federal standards? Cut the crap. MCPS has failed in its mission.

Huh?
The report was about C2.0 and it found that it was deficient, specifically for certain groups. None of that nonsense you're babbling out.

Look. Whether it's C2.0, MCAP, the SAT or MAP, MCPS consistently is NOT educating kids to ANY OF THESE STANDARDS.

The problem is MCPS. It's the system. Not the test or the standard. WAKE UP.

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

With the exception of Worcester County, the results map to the FARMS rates. Worcester only has 2% of students learning english, so that probably helps their ELA numbers

Or maybe our system is not doing its job? The MCAP is not the only proof point that says our kids are not reading and doing math at proficiency levels that previous generations were capable of doing.

When you said "our system ", what are referring to? Because no jurisdiction is "doing is job", no one is getting 50% on the math and some are barely making the grade on the ELA.
It tells me that it's not the jurisdictions, but the test to be evaluated.

When I said the system, I was talking about MCPS in particular. MCPS has specific failures and shortcomings that this test is highlighting.

The bigger system, which is the MSDE and all of our school systems in aggregate (which also includes MCPS), is also failing. Which is why the the MD State Superintendent Carey Wright said she wants to re-examine MSDE's school report cards because the state's schools can't be as good as they're claiming with these levels of proficiencies.

The state of public education has been failing for a long time now. We're just now catching on to that fact.

Everybody is falling that test, not just MCPS.
It's the test.

What about the fact that Hopkins said MCPS was failing kids back in 2018? Was the test the problem then too?

That's not what the Hopkins report said.
Do you know what the Hopkins report was about?

It said C2.0 was not bringing kids up to standards. It said kids weren’t being exposed to grade level materials and, in the majority of work samples included in the study, did not show adequate comprehension of the material.

Certain kids/groups

No. This isn’t a situation where you can excuse MCPS because only the poor black and Hispanic kids are struggling.

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

Or maybe our system is not doing its job? The MCAP is not the only proof point that says our kids are not reading and doing math at proficiency levels that previous generations were capable of doing.

When you said "our system ", what are referring to? Because no jurisdiction is "doing is job", no one is getting 50% on the math and some are barely making the grade on the ELA.
It tells me that it's not the jurisdictions, but the test to be evaluated.

When I said the system, I was talking about MCPS in particular. MCPS has specific failures and shortcomings that this test is highlighting.

The bigger system, which is the MSDE and all of our school systems in aggregate (which also includes MCPS), is also failing. Which is why the the MD State Superintendent Carey Wright said she wants to re-examine MSDE's school report cards because the state's schools can't be as good as they're claiming with these levels of proficiencies.

The state of public education has been failing for a long time now. We're just now catching on to that fact.

Everybody is falling that test, not just MCPS.
It's the test.

This is a forum focused on MCPS. The Superintendent needs to focus on how MCPS responds to the MCAP results.

The State Superintendent needs to worry about the fact that ALL of her LEAs are not meeting MCAP standards, and she has already made it clear she will dig into that and expects her LEAs (which MCPS) to be her partners in getting to the root of the poor performance. But that doesn't absolve MCPS from figuring out its portion of the problem.

When will you hold MCPS accountable for being the hot mess that it is?

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

Or maybe our system is not doing its job? The MCAP is not the only proof point that says our kids are not reading and doing math at proficiency levels that previous generations were capable of doing.

When you said "our system ", what are referring to? Because no jurisdiction is "doing is job", no one is getting 50% on the math and some are barely making the grade on the ELA.
It tells me that it's not the jurisdictions, but the test to be evaluated.

When I said the system, I was talking about MCPS in particular. MCPS has specific failures and shortcomings that this test is highlighting.

The bigger system, which is the MSDE and all of our school systems in aggregate (which also includes MCPS), is also failing. Which is why the the MD State Superintendent Carey Wright said she wants to re-examine MSDE's school report cards because the state's schools can't be as good as they're claiming with these levels of proficiencies.

The state of public education has been failing for a long time now. We're just now catching on to that fact.

Everybody is falling that test, not just MCPS.
It's the test.

What about the fact that Hopkins said MCPS was failing kids back in 2018? Was the test the problem then too?

It all started when they changed the teaching style and took away the basics and textbooks. People blame covid but it was going downhill long before that. MCPS has plenty of money to bring in more reading, esol and other staff to support kids but the BOE would rather waste the money.

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

Or maybe our system is not doing its job? The MCAP is not the only proof point that says our kids are not reading and doing math at proficiency levels that previous generations were capable of doing.

When you said "our system ", what are referring to? Because no jurisdiction is "doing is job", no one is getting 50% on the math and some are barely making the grade on the ELA.
It tells me that it's not the jurisdictions, but the test to be evaluated.

When I said the system, I was talking about MCPS in particular. MCPS has specific failures and shortcomings that this test is highlighting.

The bigger system, which is the MSDE and all of our school systems in aggregate (which also includes MCPS), is also failing. Which is why the the MD State Superintendent Carey Wright said she wants to re-examine MSDE's school report cards because the state's schools can't be as good as they're claiming with these levels of proficiencies.

The state of public education has been failing for a long time now. We're just now catching on to that fact.

Everybody is falling that test, not just MCPS.
It's the test.

This is a forum focused on MCPS. The Superintendent needs to focus on how MCPS responds to the MCAP results.

The State Superintendent needs to worry about the fact that ALL of her LEAs are not meeting MCAP standards, and she has already made it clear she will dig into that and expects her LEAs (which MCPS) to be her partners in getting to the root of the poor performance. But that doesn't absolve MCPS from figuring out its portion of the problem.

When will you hold MCPS accountable for being the hot mess that it is?

The Superintendent isn't going to do anything as they work for the BOE. None care or will fix this.

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

Or maybe our system is not doing its job? The MCAP is not the only proof point that says our kids are not reading and doing math at proficiency levels that previous generations were capable of doing.

When you said "our system ", what are referring to? Because no jurisdiction is "doing is job", no one is getting 50% on the math and some are barely making the grade on the ELA.
It tells me that it's not the jurisdictions, but the test to be evaluated.

When I said the system, I was talking about MCPS in particular. MCPS has specific failures and shortcomings that this test is highlighting.

The bigger system, which is the MSDE and all of our school systems in aggregate (which also includes MCPS), is also failing. Which is why the the MD State Superintendent Carey Wright said she wants to re-examine MSDE's school report cards because the state's schools can't be as good as they're claiming with these levels of proficiencies.

The state of public education has been failing for a long time now. We're just now catching on to that fact.

To your last sentence: some of us have suspected it for awhile. I remember when the Hopkins audit on MCPS came out in 2018. Some of us on here were ringing alarm bells. Most of you dismissed it.

You know what, you're right. I forgot about the 2018 audit. MCPS just gets away with this aura of quality because of its historical reputation, but the truth is the decline has been in the making for at least a decade. And of course the pandemic only worsened the situation.

Can you link that report or elaborate on the BLUF? My kid was too young for me to have dug into that data (although after testing Mcps for one year we quickly moved onto a private...so don't disagree that the ship is sinking. Just curious what the pre covid data looked like).

Here it is!

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/curriculum/integrated/executivesummarymcps.pdf

It was a big reason we also opted for private.

And before people start jumping on us for being on this thread: the state of MCPS is relevant to everyone.

Thank you for linking to the original, PP.

To me, this is the most damning statement:

The instrument of analysis was an MCPS-appropriate version of the Student Work Analysis Tool that is part of Student Achievement Partners’ Instructional Practice Toolkit (IPT). In total, the team reviewed 36 different assignments and 530 student work samples in math, and 34 assignments and 455 student work samples in ELA. Overall, the student work samples indicate a misalignment between the learning standards and most student assignments.

Math:
- Student work samples did not consistently show mastery of the learning standard. Student work samples show that fewer than a third of students master their assignments in either ELA or math, although mastery in mathematics is higher than in ELA.
- In K through 2nd-grade math, student work samples did not consistently show full or close to full mastery of the targeted standard.

ELA:
- ELA lessons did not consistently show alignment to the targeted standard. In the analysis of student work samples, fewer than a quarter of students show complete mastery of the assignments’ targeted standards.
- In the majority of student work samples analyzed, students did not consistently show mastery in the comprehension of their texts.

So for posters who want to claim that the MCAP is flawed, how can that be the case when the MCAP is revealing what the Hopkins audit revealed in 2018, which is that the system is not producing students who can meet district, state or federal standards? Cut the crap. MCPS has failed in its mission.

Huh?
The report was about C2.0 and it found that it was deficient, specifically for certain groups. None of that nonsense you're babbling out.

Look. Whether it's C2.0, MCAP, the SAT or MAP, MCPS consistently is NOT educating kids to ANY OF THESE STANDARDS.

The problem is MCPS. It's the system. Not the test or the standard. WAKE UP.

Exactly, people keep making all kids of excuses, but no one is willing or able to fix it.