MCPS boasts about 54.9% 3rd ELA proficiency rate in latest MCAP results

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Last yeqrs 3 and 4th grades missed a whole year of real school at critical ages. But yes, the SEC makeup of the county matters. Whiter and wealthier does better not surprisingly. The verh wealthy in moco just go private
Its not all parents fault but schools cant be tasked with making up all the lost time for kids who enter without much language or education being a focus in homes that are just trying to survive with multiple jobs and these 10 year olds often coming home an caring for smaller siblings.

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I wonder if any of the complainers have non-proficient kids.

Schools can't raise everyone's kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the levels are so low because of parents, not schools. They just don't care anymore. And many can't. They are struggling, in poverty, or living paycheck to paycheck.

The middle class is shrinking and UMC just uses tutors, and UC go to privates. So most families going to public school are barely staying afloat and the kids and parents are addicted to screens. School is not a priority and parents are now against schools and don't support teachers.

So MCPS has no accountability here? It’s all on parents? Are parents the ones tasked with teaching their kids math?

Parents are tasked with making sure their kids go to school, pay attention in school, and do their homework. That's enough to at least be proficient

So your argument is that 66.6% of MCPS parents are negligent in the ways you describe, which is resulting in our 33.4% Math proficiency score? That argument holds water to you? If so, based on what data are you asserting this claim?

Why not just state plainly that you don't care what happens to kids so long as no criticizes or questions MCPS. Your fake arguments are hollow.

DP. I don't care about any kids other than my own, and I make sure they do well. The parents whose kids are in that 66% should look in the mirror, because if they stepped up their kids would be doing fine.

So if you can just “step up” and your kids will be fine, then why don’t you just homeschool, since apparently the quality of the school is irrelevant to your kids’ success?

I never said it was irrelevant, but in MCPS the quality is sufficient that any student with active parental support will be doing okay, barring those with significant disabilities. Is it possible that a school could be bad enough that even a parent who tries wouldn't get decent results? Sure. That's not the case in MCPS though.

Define “significant disabilities.” MCPS fails kids with dyslexia, which is upwards of 20% of the population.

The only person who can fail your child is you.

Says someone who has never had to fight for a school district to provide the supports they’re legally required to provide to a kid with SN.

You could not be wronger about that, although the whining and refusal to take accountability for your own success and failure is unfortunately typical of the worst parts of the SN parent community.

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Anonymous wrote:SOURCE: https://mocoshow.com/2024/08/28/mcps-schools-show-consistent-performance-in-2023-2024-mcap-results/

Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) has shared that “students once again outperformed state averages on the Maryland Comprehensive Assessment Program (MCAP), particularly in elementary and middle school English Language Arts and Literacy (ELA/L) and Math.” MCAP assessments measure student proficiency in academic standards and complex skills like critical thinking, persuasive writing and problem-solving.

The Maryland State Department of Education released the results of the 2023-2024 Maryland Comprehensive Assessment Program (MCAP) for English Language Arts/Literacy (ELA/L) and Mathematics (Math). These results were presented to the State Board of Education on Tuesday, August 27, 2024 and provide insights into the performance of Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) students compared to the previous year. Key Findings:

Elementary School: MCPS students continue to improve in ELA/L and Math, with proficiency rates slightly fluctuating compared to the previous year.

ELA/L Grades 3-5: MCPS students outperformed their peers statewide. Specifically, 54.9% of Grade 3 students were proficient, a decrease of 2.7 percentage points from 2022-2023. For Grade 4 and 5 students, proficiency rates were 55.9% and 52.0%, representing a decrease of 1.7 points and an increase of 1.5 points, respectively.

Math Grades 3-5: Similarly, MCPS students surpassed state averages in Math. In Grade 3, 50.4% of students met proficiency, a decrease of 3.2 percentage points from last year. 43.1% of Grade 4 students and 40.8% of Grade 5 students were proficient, with the latter marking a 0.9-point increase.

Middle School: Middle school students showed modest improvements in both ELA/L and Math, with some grades experiencing more significant gains.

ELA/L Grades 6-8: Proficiency rates in middle school ELA/L showed notable improvement in Grade 7, where proficiency increased by 1.2 percentage points. Grade 6 saw a 0.9-point increase, while Grade 8 remained steady.

Math Grades 6-8: Middle school students demonstrated slight improvements in Math proficiency with increases in proficiency rates for Math 6 and Math 7 by 1.3 and 2.7 points, respectively and a decrease of 0.2 percentage points for Math 8.

High School: High school students demonstrated a significant increase in ELA/L proficiency, while Algebra 1 proficiency rates remained relatively stable.[/list]

ELA/L 10: High school students showed a significant increase in ELA/L 10 proficiency, with 61% achieving proficiency, a 5.9-point increase from 2022-2023.

Algebra 1: Proficiency rates for middle and high school students who took the Algebra 1 assessment were 42.5% and 5.4%, respectively, marking an increase of 4.5 and 0.9 percentage points from the previous year.

MCPS is truly shameless. They are boasting that MCPS kids "outperformed state averages" but who cares about when the proficiency levels are in the 50s and in some cases DECREASING year over year?

Why do they lack shame and standard? These proficiency levels are SHAMEFUL and they should not be applauding or celebrating anything about. Especially since there are decreases in some areas and even where there are increases, they're so small that they're within the margin of error and might not be real increases after all.

Where is the accountability for these systemic failures in MCPS by our leadership? How can Chris Cram and his team write this press release with a straight face?

Oh, it's a new test and the metrics were never worked out. Nevertheless, MCPS does so much better than everyplace else that it really doesn't matter what they decide is proficient.

So the test is worthless and meaningless and no one should take it seriously, but you can't hope but grandstand that MCPS did better than SOME other districts and that means therefore, MCPS is in fact great, even though I'm in the same breath saying to ignore the test.

You are a real piece of work.

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Anonymous wrote:Last yeqrs 3 and 4th grades missed a whole year of real school at critical ages. But yes, the SEC makeup of the county matters. Whiter and wealthier does better not surprisingly. The verh wealthy in moco just go private
Its not all parents fault but schools cant be tasked with making up all the lost time for kids who enter without much language or education being a focus in homes that are just trying to survive with multiple jobs and these 10 year olds often coming home an caring for smaller siblings.

White kids didn't see much improvement year over year, so their whiteness is not helping them increase those proficiencies significantly year over year. MCPS is failing everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the levels are so low because of parents, not schools. They just don't care anymore. And many can't. They are struggling, in poverty, or living paycheck to paycheck.

The middle class is shrinking and UMC just uses tutors, and UC go to privates. So most families going to public school are barely staying afloat and the kids and parents are addicted to screens. School is not a priority and parents are now against schools and don't support teachers.

So MCPS has no accountability here? It’s all on parents? Are parents the ones tasked with teaching their kids math?

Parents are tasked with making sure their kids go to school, pay attention in school, and do their homework. That's enough to at least be proficient

So your argument is that 66.6% of MCPS parents are negligent in the ways you describe, which is resulting in our 33.4% Math proficiency score? That argument holds water to you? If so, based on what data are you asserting this claim?

Why not just state plainly that you don't care what happens to kids so long as no criticizes or questions MCPS. Your fake arguments are hollow.

DP. I don't care about any kids other than my own, and I make sure they do well. The parents whose kids are in that 66% should look in the mirror, because if they stepped up their kids would be doing fine.

So if you can just “step up” and your kids will be fine, then why don’t you just homeschool, since apparently the quality of the school is irrelevant to your kids’ success?

I never said it was irrelevant, but in MCPS the quality is sufficient that any student with active parental support will be doing okay, barring those with significant disabilities. Is it possible that a school could be bad enough that even a parent who tries wouldn't get decent results? Sure. That's not the case in MCPS though.

Define “significant disabilities.” MCPS fails kids with dyslexia, which is upwards of 20% of the population.

The only person who can fail your child is you.

Says someone who has never had to fight for a school district to provide the supports they’re legally required to provide to a kid with SN.

You could not be wronger about that, although the whining and refusal to take accountability for your own success and failure is unfortunately typical of the worst parts of the SN parent community.

My spouse and I pay nearly $100,000/year making sure our SN kid is getting the supports they need.

But your sense that parents are the only ones who can fail their kid is so twisted. We are paying fully out of pocket to support our kid because MCPS shirked its legal obligation.

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

MoCo farms rate 34%
Hock farms rate 22.5%
Carroll farms rate 28%
Worcester farms 51.8 (so they must be doing something right there…wonder if they are really emphasizing the test)

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the levels are so low because of parents, not schools. They just don't care anymore. And many can't. They are struggling, in poverty, or living paycheck to paycheck.

The middle class is shrinking and UMC just uses tutors, and UC go to privates. So most families going to public school are barely staying afloat and the kids and parents are addicted to screens. School is not a priority and parents are now against schools and don't support teachers.

So MCPS has no accountability here? It’s all on parents? Are parents the ones tasked with teaching their kids math?

Parents are tasked with making sure their kids go to school, pay attention in school, and do their homework. That's enough to at least be proficient

So your argument is that 66.6% of MCPS parents are negligent in the ways you describe, which is resulting in our 33.4% Math proficiency score? That argument holds water to you? If so, based on what data are you asserting this claim?

Why not just state plainly that you don't care what happens to kids so long as no criticizes or questions MCPS. Your fake arguments are hollow.

DP. I don't care about any kids other than my own, and I make sure they do well. The parents whose kids are in that 66% should look in the mirror, because if they stepped up their kids would be doing fine.

So if you can just “step up” and your kids will be fine, then why don’t you just homeschool, since apparently the quality of the school is irrelevant to your kids’ success?

I never said it was irrelevant, but in MCPS the quality is sufficient that any student with active parental support will be doing okay, barring those with significant disabilities. Is it possible that a school could be bad enough that even a parent who tries wouldn't get decent results? Sure. That's not the case in MCPS though.

Define “significant disabilities.” MCPS fails kids with dyslexia, which is upwards of 20% of the population.

Source? Unless you're really watering the def down.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the levels are so low because of parents, not schools. They just don't care anymore. And many can't. They are struggling, in poverty, or living paycheck to paycheck.

The middle class is shrinking and UMC just uses tutors, and UC go to privates. So most families going to public school are barely staying afloat and the kids and parents are addicted to screens. School is not a priority and parents are now against schools and don't support teachers.

So MCPS has no accountability here? It’s all on parents? Are parents the ones tasked with teaching their kids math?

Parents are tasked with making sure their kids go to school, pay attention in school, and do their homework. That's enough to at least be proficient

So your argument is that 66.6% of MCPS parents are negligent in the ways you describe, which is resulting in our 33.4% Math proficiency score? That argument holds water to you? If so, based on what data are you asserting this claim?

Why not just state plainly that you don't care what happens to kids so long as no criticizes or questions MCPS. Your fake arguments are hollow.

DP. I don't care about any kids other than my own, and I make sure they do well. The parents whose kids are in that 66% should look in the mirror, because if they stepped up their kids would be doing fine.

So if you can just “step up” and your kids will be fine, then why don’t you just homeschool, since apparently the quality of the school is irrelevant to your kids’ success?

I never said it was irrelevant, but in MCPS the quality is sufficient that any student with active parental support will be doing okay, barring those with significant disabilities. Is it possible that a school could be bad enough that even a parent who tries wouldn't get decent results? Sure. That's not the case in MCPS though.

Define “significant disabilities.” MCPS fails kids with dyslexia, which is upwards of 20% of the population.

The only person who can fail your child is you.

Says someone who has never had to fight for a school district to provide the supports they’re legally required to provide to a kid with SN.

You could not be wronger about that, although the whining and refusal to take accountability for your own success and failure is unfortunately typical of the worst parts of the SN parent community.

My spouse and I pay nearly $100,000/year making sure our SN kid is getting the supports they need.

But your sense that parents are the only ones who can fail their kid is so twisted. We are paying fully out of pocket to support our kid because MCPS shirked its legal obligation.

Let’s be clear, Congress shirked its legal obligation which it passed.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the levels are so low because of parents, not schools. They just don't care anymore. And many can't. They are struggling, in poverty, or living paycheck to paycheck.

The middle class is shrinking and UMC just uses tutors, and UC go to privates. So most families going to public school are barely staying afloat and the kids and parents are addicted to screens. School is not a priority and parents are now against schools and don't support teachers.

So MCPS has no accountability here? It’s all on parents? Are parents the ones tasked with teaching their kids math?

Parents are tasked with making sure their kids go to school, pay attention in school, and do their homework. That's enough to at least be proficient

So your argument is that 66.6% of MCPS parents are negligent in the ways you describe, which is resulting in our 33.4% Math proficiency score? That argument holds water to you? If so, based on what data are you asserting this claim?

Why not just state plainly that you don't care what happens to kids so long as no criticizes or questions MCPS. Your fake arguments are hollow.

DP. I don't care about any kids other than my own, and I make sure they do well. The parents whose kids are in that 66% should look in the mirror, because if they stepped up their kids would be doing fine.

So if you can just “step up” and your kids will be fine, then why don’t you just homeschool, since apparently the quality of the school is irrelevant to your kids’ success?

I never said it was irrelevant, but in MCPS the quality is sufficient that any student with active parental support will be doing okay, barring those with significant disabilities. Is it possible that a school could be bad enough that even a parent who tries wouldn't get decent results? Sure. That's not the case in MCPS though.

Define “significant disabilities.” MCPS fails kids with dyslexia, which is upwards of 20% of the population.

Source? Unless you're really watering the def down.

It’s in this book, which is considered the gold standard on dyslexia research: http://dyslexia.yale.edu/research-science/overcoming-dyslexia/

Here’s the Yale Study: http://dyslexia.yale.edu/research-science/ycdc-research/yale-outcome-study-outcomes-graduates-without-dyslexia/#:~:text=Dyslexia%20is%20the%20most%20common,an%20unexpected%20difficulty%20in%20reading.

My daughter has dyslexia. Trust me — I know the stats.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the levels are so low because of parents, not schools. They just don't care anymore. And many can't. They are struggling, in poverty, or living paycheck to paycheck.

The middle class is shrinking and UMC just uses tutors, and UC go to privates. So most families going to public school are barely staying afloat and the kids and parents are addicted to screens. School is not a priority and parents are now against schools and don't support teachers.

So MCPS has no accountability here? It’s all on parents? Are parents the ones tasked with teaching their kids math?

Parents are tasked with making sure their kids go to school, pay attention in school, and do their homework. That's enough to at least be proficient

So your argument is that 66.6% of MCPS parents are negligent in the ways you describe, which is resulting in our 33.4% Math proficiency score? That argument holds water to you? If so, based on what data are you asserting this claim?

Why not just state plainly that you don't care what happens to kids so long as no criticizes or questions MCPS. Your fake arguments are hollow.

DP. I don't care about any kids other than my own, and I make sure they do well. The parents whose kids are in that 66% should look in the mirror, because if they stepped up their kids would be doing fine.

So if you can just “step up” and your kids will be fine, then why don’t you just homeschool, since apparently the quality of the school is irrelevant to your kids’ success?

I never said it was irrelevant, but in MCPS the quality is sufficient that any student with active parental support will be doing okay, barring those with significant disabilities. Is it possible that a school could be bad enough that even a parent who tries wouldn't get decent results? Sure. That's not the case in MCPS though.

Define “significant disabilities.” MCPS fails kids with dyslexia, which is upwards of 20% of the population.

The only person who can fail your child is you.

Says someone who has never had to fight for a school district to provide the supports they’re legally required to provide to a kid with SN.

You could not be wronger about that, although the whining and refusal to take accountability for your own success and failure is unfortunately typical of the worst parts of the SN parent community.

My spouse and I pay nearly $100,000/year making sure our SN kid is getting the supports they need.

But your sense that parents are the only ones who can fail their kid is so twisted. We are paying fully out of pocket to support our kid because MCPS shirked its legal obligation.

Let’s be clear, Congress shirked its legal obligation which it passed.

Excuses.

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

MoCo farms rate 34%
Hock farms rate 22.5%
Carroll farms rate 28%
Worcester farms 51.8 (so they must be doing something right there…wonder if they are really emphasizing the test)

C'mon now! Worcester has a total population of about 7,000 students. MCPS is over 160,000 students. That's apples to oranges comparison.
BTW, MCPS farms rate is 41%, while Worcester farms rate is 46%

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Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Well that test is seriously flawed if no jurisdiction can score over 50% on the math portion.
Even on the ELA, the scores are not great for anyone.
Something is not right with that test.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the levels are so low because of parents, not schools. They just don't care anymore. And many can't. They are struggling, in poverty, or living paycheck to paycheck.

The middle class is shrinking and UMC just uses tutors, and UC go to privates. So most families going to public school are barely staying afloat and the kids and parents are addicted to screens. School is not a priority and parents are now against schools and don't support teachers.

So MCPS has no accountability here? It’s all on parents? Are parents the ones tasked with teaching their kids math?

Parents are tasked with making sure their kids go to school, pay attention in school, and do their homework. That's enough to at least be proficient

So your argument is that 66.6% of MCPS parents are negligent in the ways you describe, which is resulting in our 33.4% Math proficiency score? That argument holds water to you? If so, based on what data are you asserting this claim?

Why not just state plainly that you don't care what happens to kids so long as no criticizes or questions MCPS. Your fake arguments are hollow.

DP. I don't care about any kids other than my own, and I make sure they do well. The parents whose kids are in that 66% should look in the mirror, because if they stepped up their kids would be doing fine.

So if you can just “step up” and your kids will be fine, then why don’t you just homeschool, since apparently the quality of the school is irrelevant to your kids’ success?

I never said it was irrelevant, but in MCPS the quality is sufficient that any student with active parental support will be doing okay, barring those with significant disabilities. Is it possible that a school could be bad enough that even a parent who tries wouldn't get decent results? Sure. That's not the case in MCPS though.

Define “significant disabilities.” MCPS fails kids with dyslexia, which is upwards of 20% of the population.

The only person who can fail your child is you.

Says someone who has never had to fight for a school district to provide the supports they’re legally required to provide to a kid with SN.

You could not be wronger about that, although the whining and refusal to take accountability for your own success and failure is unfortunately typical of the worst parts of the SN parent community.

My spouse and I pay nearly $100,000/year making sure our SN kid is getting the supports they need.

But your sense that parents are the only ones who can fail their kid is so twisted. We are paying fully out of pocket to support our kid because MCPS shirked its legal obligation.

Let’s be clear, Congress shirked its legal obligation which it passed.

Excuses.

🤣. So it’s excuses when Congress who is supposed to fully fund the law that will pay for SN services and support. But when school districts can’t then create miracles they’re lazy, inefficient and should be sued.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another look at MCAP results from another source: https://wtop.com/maryland/2024/08/maryland-test-results-show-small-gains-nagging-achievement-gaps-among-demographic-groups/

MCPS claims we're beating state averages, which I guess might be true, but when you roll up all the grade levels and the results, here's how things shake out by Math:



Carroll, Worcester and Howard County Public Schools outperformed MCPS in math.



For ELA, it's worse. Harford, Queen Anne's, Frederick, Calvert, Howard, Carroll, Worcester all outperformed MCPS in ELA.

Are there any policies or procedures that the more successful school systems are following that we should consider following?