Tj prep companies $$$ wow!

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Anonymous wrote:That's all wishful interpretation. The material Insight chose to include in quant-q is based on generic knowledge, and that's what the prep books available on Amazon contain. It is ridiculous to suggest it is any different from sat, act, etc, or any workbook, textbook for that matter. If Insight believed the amazon prep books had their proprietary information, those wouldn't be allowed to be sold by Amazon for decades for $19.95.

Quant-Q is absolutely different than SAT, ACT, etc. It’s not based on general knowledge - it tests critical thinking skills.

The sections are:
Pattern Recognition
Probability Combinatorics
Out-of-the-Box Algebra
Geometry and Optimization

If you have seen previous Quant-Q problems then it will not accurately measure “out of the box algebra”.

It’s more like the WISC test. Prior exposure invalidates results. Just because Amazon sells WISC prep books doesn’t mean it’s ok.

Maybe so, but it also means that the "wealth hurdle" is $20.

Were those books sharing test questions from prior years?

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

The C4TJ set wants to minimize the significance of this advantage because they prefer a system that is easily gamed by throwing money at it

They are even more effective at buying with the current admissions. A top student that doesn't go to prep under the old system could still get in. Doesn't look to be the case now unless they have quota points.
People who paid for prep could still get in.

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Anonymous wrote:That's all wishful interpretation. The material Insight chose to include in quant-q is based on generic knowledge, and that's what the prep books available on Amazon contain. It is ridiculous to suggest it is any different from sat, act, etc, or any workbook, textbook for that matter. If Insight believed the amazon prep books had their proprietary information, those wouldn't be allowed to be sold by Amazon for decades for $19.95.

Quant-Q is absolutely different than SAT, ACT, etc. It’s not based on general knowledge - it tests critical thinking skills.

The sections are:
Pattern Recognition
Probability Combinatorics
Out-of-the-Box Algebra
Geometry and Optimization

If you have seen previous Quant-Q problems then it will not accurately measure “out of the box algebra”.

It’s more like the WISC test. Prior exposure invalidates results. Just because Amazon sells WISC prep books doesn’t mean it’s ok.

Maybe so, but it also means that the "wealth hurdle" is $20.

Were those books sharing test questions from prior years?

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

The C4TJ set wants to minimize the significance of this advantage because they prefer a system that is easily gamed by throwing money at it

They are even more effective at buying with the current admissions. A top student that doesn't go to prep under the old system could still get in. Doesn't look to be the case now unless they have quota points.
People who paid for prep could still get in.

You sound bitter. The top students from each school now get preference, but previously, you had to get a top score on a test where many had advanced access.

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Anonymous wrote:That's all wishful interpretation. The material Insight chose to include in quant-q is based on generic knowledge, and that's what the prep books available on Amazon contain. It is ridiculous to suggest it is any different from sat, act, etc, or any workbook, textbook for that matter. If Insight believed the amazon prep books had their proprietary information, those wouldn't be allowed to be sold by Amazon for decades for $19.95.

Quant-Q is absolutely different than SAT, ACT, etc. It’s not based on general knowledge - it tests critical thinking skills.

The sections are:
Pattern Recognition
Probability Combinatorics
Out-of-the-Box Algebra
Geometry and Optimization

If you have seen previous Quant-Q problems then it will not accurately measure “out of the box algebra”.

It’s more like the WISC test. Prior exposure invalidates results. Just because Amazon sells WISC prep books doesn’t mean it’s ok.

Maybe so, but it also means that the "wealth hurdle" is $20.

Were those books sharing test questions from prior years?

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

The C4TJ set wants to minimize the significance of this advantage because they prefer a system that is easily gamed by throwing money at it

They are even more effective at buying with the current admissions. A top student that doesn't go to prep under the old system could still get in. Doesn't look to be the case now unless they have quota points.
People who paid for prep could still get in.

You sound bitter. The top students from each school now get preference, but previously, you had to get a top score on a test where many had advanced access.

Those were the days! You could almost guarantee your kid admission by spending a few $$$.

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Anonymous wrote:DC attends Curie, and we moved from Kumon for cost reasons. For multiple subjects, Curie is much cheaper than Kumon. Curie as year long grade enrichment for advanced math, english, science and summer courses, has been working well.

But not sure how effective it is to enroll just at the tail end in one month tj essay prep course. Think of this in terms of - how effective would Kumon be if student enrolled for just a month before final exam. Mastering math takes years, not a month or two.

There is a difference between year long enrichment and test prep. Test prep is about 10 hours of instruction on testing format, time management, things like process of elimination and how to guess, and practice exams. Some commenters are basically saying that practice exams are cheating.
If you are learning substantive material that might be useful on a mathcounts competition, etc. then this is just studying.

What do practice exams mean? periodic assessments? At Curie, there are upfront placement tests and periodic assessments along the way, and before moving to the next level, similar to Kumon. The overall curriculum is fast paced and high rigor, so these checkpoint assessments help in deciding if student wants to continue to dropout. Considerable number dropout.

Practice exams in the test prep context means taking a previously administered test from a few years ago.

This whole curie thing comes from a bunch of people who are just looking for reasons to justify their racism by saying that the reason they changed the admissions process was to combat the rampant cheating coming out of curie. They accuse curie of selling TJ test answers and allowing their students to effectively buy their way into tj. It's stupid and racist. if you watched the hearings surrounding the change in admissions process, there was a lot of ugly racism on display against all asians but particulary against the indians because they are the newcomers.

Too bad it all actually happened and has been proven here over and over.

The only part that actually happened was the racism during the hearings and the racism driving the changes to the admissions process.

The admissions changes were driven by a desire for racial balancing not to counteract cheating.
BTW, the cheating at question here is that some kids shared their recollection about the test questions and format with curie after the test.

People are guessing that this happened. What is known (at least some have said they saw it) is that Curie gave had a bank of qiuestions that might be asked and kids said they saw exact questions.

But many more have said it's a made-up story! A fabricated story concocted to hurt Curie's reputition, but paradoxically sends more business towards them

No, it's not a made-up story. It's real.
Curie posted names of students but had to remove them when the scandal came out.

It's been covered here over and over. There were links to multiple news sources just a few weeks ago and god knows how many first-hand accounts.

other than fake posts on this forum and facebook tj vents, what news sources?

It was covered extensively here the other week in a recent thread. There were a half-dozen links there. You're going to have to do your own leg work this time, but I imagine you already know all this and just like to keep asking.

It wasn't exactly a scandal but some students shared what they saw at the test and this gave people an idea of the test format and question type.

There are claims that the test company used the same question year after year, effectively giving some kids advance knowledge of the test questions.
This is effectively malpractice in the testing world and seems hard to believe.
The format of the test is well known enough that you can buy books on amazon about the test.
https://www.amazon.com/Quant-Test-Prep-Book-Practice/dp/109286427X

If you think people shouldn't be allowed to study for a test then that is a different conversation.

so the bogus claim is a student shared questions from a test prep book widely available on amazon?

I think the claim is that some of the test questions given in year two were identical to test questions given in year one, so if a tutor got the test questions from last year's students, then this year's students walk into the test having already seen some of the questions before. If that in fact happened then the testing company is guilty of testing malpractice and that would have been newsworthy. But yeah, the test question format and type are publicly known.

It's mostly just racist envy. People trying to explain away the success of a minority so the world makes more sense to them. In a world of structural racism and white supremacy, somehow the children of brown skinned indian immigrants are the ones coming out on top. You have to make it make sense, so you pretend that they were all born rich and this is all wealth advantage. That plus the cheating.

Jim crow whites used to do something similar with blacks and jews so their white supremacist worldview made sense.

These days it is racism from the left trying to make their DEI/CRT worldview make sense.

The questions were similar, which invalidates the results given that they are trying to evaluate the critical thinking skills.

Are you saying that standardized tests cannot measure critical thinking unless noone knows the format of the test? ROFLMAO

Are you saying it's only valid if kids are given the answers to all the questions up front?

Noone was given all the answers or any of the answers up front.
This was never about improving the selection process.
This was about selecting a more palatable racial mix.

We have decades of research supporting testing as a measure of academic merit.
Then someone published a paper saying that test scores track with income and everyone that was looking for an excuse to scrap testing got rid of testing.
They wanted to get rid of testing because they didn't like the racial disparity in test results.
FCPS latched onto this and said "well if it's good enough for harvard, then it should be good enough for us" and followed suit.
Now that Harvard is requiring testing again, shouldn't that argue for reinstating testing at TJ?

Once again, this had nothing to do with selecting better students and everything to do with selecting a more palatable racial mix.

Many people were able to buy access to the test. It was a rigged and corrupt system that some still ironically prefer.

Noone believes you, not even you
Noone thinks the changes were made because of the flaws in testing, not even you.
Everyone knows this change was driven by a desire to get fewer asians and more of every other race including white kids.
You're a racist. Like, right at this moment, you are struggling with a part of yourself that is outraged at these indians that dare to want more than you are willing to give them.
You know all these things.

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Anonymous wrote:That's all wishful interpretation. The material Insight chose to include in quant-q is based on generic knowledge, and that's what the prep books available on Amazon contain. It is ridiculous to suggest it is any different from sat, act, etc, or any workbook, textbook for that matter. If Insight believed the amazon prep books had their proprietary information, those wouldn't be allowed to be sold by Amazon for decades for $19.95.

Quant-Q is absolutely different than SAT, ACT, etc. It’s not based on general knowledge - it tests critical thinking skills.

The sections are:
Pattern Recognition
Probability Combinatorics
Out-of-the-Box Algebra
Geometry and Optimization

If you have seen previous Quant-Q problems then it will not accurately measure “out of the box algebra”.

It’s more like the WISC test. Prior exposure invalidates results. Just because Amazon sells WISC prep books doesn’t mean it’s ok.

Maybe so, but it also means that the "wealth hurdle" is $20.

Were those books sharing test questions from prior years?

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

The C4TJ set wants to minimize the significance of this advantage because they prefer a system that is easily gamed by throwing money at it

They are even more effective at buying with the current admissions. A top student that doesn't go to prep under the old system could still get in. Doesn't look to be the case now unless they have quota points.
People who paid for prep could still get in.

You sound bitter. The top students from each school now get preference, but previously, you had to get a top score on a test where many had advanced access.

That's the problem.
A lot of top students are not getting in.
The process is relatively random.
All in the pursuit of a more palatable demographic profile.

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Whether they admit it openly or not, many students (not all) who are applying for TJ have had years and years of outside enrichment math. That might be at home with a parent, at AoPS, at Kumon, at Mathnasium, or at RSM…

The non-enriched kids now have much better odds of TJ admission. Some of them will do very well, but others not as well when competing with the heavily enriched kids at TJ for grades.

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Anonymous wrote:That's all wishful interpretation. The material Insight chose to include in quant-q is based on generic knowledge, and that's what the prep books available on Amazon contain. It is ridiculous to suggest it is any different from sat, act, etc, or any workbook, textbook for that matter. If Insight believed the amazon prep books had their proprietary information, those wouldn't be allowed to be sold by Amazon for decades for $19.95.

Quant-Q is absolutely different than SAT, ACT, etc. It’s not based on general knowledge - it tests critical thinking skills.

The sections are:
Pattern Recognition
Probability Combinatorics
Out-of-the-Box Algebra
Geometry and Optimization

If you have seen previous Quant-Q problems then it will not accurately measure “out of the box algebra”.

It’s more like the WISC test. Prior exposure invalidates results. Just because Amazon sells WISC prep books doesn’t mean it’s ok.

Maybe so, but it also means that the "wealth hurdle" is $20.

Were those books sharing test questions from prior years?

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

The C4TJ set wants to minimize the significance of this advantage because they prefer a system that is easily gamed by throwing money at it

They are even more effective at buying with the current admissions. A top student that doesn't go to prep under the old system could still get in. Doesn't look to be the case now unless they have quota points.
People who paid for prep could still get in.

You sound bitter. The top students from each school now get preference, but previously, you had to get a top score on a test where many had advanced access.

Those were the days! You could almost guarantee your kid admission by spending a few $$$.

If it's only a few dollars, why were white kids so underrepresented?

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Anonymous wrote:That's all wishful interpretation. The material Insight chose to include in quant-q is based on generic knowledge, and that's what the prep books available on Amazon contain. It is ridiculous to suggest it is any different from sat, act, etc, or any workbook, textbook for that matter. If Insight believed the amazon prep books had their proprietary information, those wouldn't be allowed to be sold by Amazon for decades for $19.95.

Quant-Q is absolutely different than SAT, ACT, etc. It’s not based on general knowledge - it tests critical thinking skills.

The sections are:
Pattern Recognition
Probability Combinatorics
Out-of-the-Box Algebra
Geometry and Optimization

If you have seen previous Quant-Q problems then it will not accurately measure “out of the box algebra”.

It’s more like the WISC test. Prior exposure invalidates results. Just because Amazon sells WISC prep books doesn’t mean it’s ok.

Maybe so, but it also means that the "wealth hurdle" is $20.

Were those books sharing test questions from prior years?

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

The C4TJ set wants to minimize the significance of this advantage because they prefer a system that is easily gamed by throwing money at it

They are even more effective at buying with the current admissions. A top student that doesn't go to prep under the old system could still get in. Doesn't look to be the case now unless they have quota points.
People who paid for prep could still get in.

You sound bitter. The top students from each school now get preference, but previously, you had to get a top score on a test where many had advanced access.

That's the problem.
A lot of top students are not getting in.
The process is relatively random.
All in the pursuit of a more palatable demographic profile.

False! The new system sets aside spots for the very top 1.5% from each school.

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Anonymous wrote:That's all wishful interpretation. The material Insight chose to include in quant-q is based on generic knowledge, and that's what the prep books available on Amazon contain. It is ridiculous to suggest it is any different from sat, act, etc, or any workbook, textbook for that matter. If Insight believed the amazon prep books had their proprietary information, those wouldn't be allowed to be sold by Amazon for decades for $19.95.

Quant-Q is absolutely different than SAT, ACT, etc. It’s not based on general knowledge - it tests critical thinking skills.

The sections are:
Pattern Recognition
Probability Combinatorics
Out-of-the-Box Algebra
Geometry and Optimization

If you have seen previous Quant-Q problems then it will not accurately measure “out of the box algebra”.

It’s more like the WISC test. Prior exposure invalidates results. Just because Amazon sells WISC prep books doesn’t mean it’s ok.

Maybe so, but it also means that the "wealth hurdle" is $20.

Were those books sharing test questions from prior years?

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

The C4TJ set wants to minimize the significance of this advantage because they prefer a system that is easily gamed by throwing money at it

They are even more effective at buying with the current admissions. A top student that doesn't go to prep under the old system could still get in. Doesn't look to be the case now unless they have quota points.
People who paid for prep could still get in.

You sound bitter. The top students from each school now get preference, but previously, you had to get a top score on a test where many had advanced access.

Those were the days! You could almost guarantee your kid admission by spending a few $$$.

If it's only a few dollars, why were white kids so underrepresented?

White families don't care about TJ. They mostly prioritize sports.

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Anonymous wrote:That's all wishful interpretation. The material Insight chose to include in quant-q is based on generic knowledge, and that's what the prep books available on Amazon contain. It is ridiculous to suggest it is any different from sat, act, etc, or any workbook, textbook for that matter. If Insight believed the amazon prep books had their proprietary information, those wouldn't be allowed to be sold by Amazon for decades for $19.95.

Quant-Q is absolutely different than SAT, ACT, etc. It’s not based on general knowledge - it tests critical thinking skills.

The sections are:
Pattern Recognition
Probability Combinatorics
Out-of-the-Box Algebra
Geometry and Optimization

If you have seen previous Quant-Q problems then it will not accurately measure “out of the box algebra”.

It’s more like the WISC test. Prior exposure invalidates results. Just because Amazon sells WISC prep books doesn’t mean it’s ok.

Maybe so, but it also means that the "wealth hurdle" is $20.

Were those books sharing test questions from prior years?

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

The C4TJ set wants to minimize the significance of this advantage because they prefer a system that is easily gamed by throwing money at it

They are even more effective at buying with the current admissions. A top student that doesn't go to prep under the old system could still get in. Doesn't look to be the case now unless they have quota points.
People who paid for prep could still get in.

You sound bitter. The top students from each school now get preference, but previously, you had to get a top score on a test where many had advanced access.

That's the problem.
A lot of top students are not getting in.
The process is relatively random.
All in the pursuit of a more palatable demographic profile.

False! The new system sets aside spots for the very top 1.5% from each school.

It's pretty random.
The math question was extremely easy and required very simple algebra.
The schools with less than 10 students probably had fewer than 50 students in the applicant pool that provided complete answers to the essay questions.
If 100 kids from your school are in the applicant pool, you probably have about 20 students getting in.
The admitted students represent a cross section of the applicant pool.
This was all in an effort to reduce the number of asian kids and increase the number of kids with other skin colors, including white kids.

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Anonymous wrote:That's all wishful interpretation. The material Insight chose to include in quant-q is based on generic knowledge, and that's what the prep books available on Amazon contain. It is ridiculous to suggest it is any different from sat, act, etc, or any workbook, textbook for that matter. If Insight believed the amazon prep books had their proprietary information, those wouldn't be allowed to be sold by Amazon for decades for $19.95.

Quant-Q is absolutely different than SAT, ACT, etc. It’s not based on general knowledge - it tests critical thinking skills.

The sections are:
Pattern Recognition
Probability Combinatorics
Out-of-the-Box Algebra
Geometry and Optimization

If you have seen previous Quant-Q problems then it will not accurately measure “out of the box algebra”.

It’s more like the WISC test. Prior exposure invalidates results. Just because Amazon sells WISC prep books doesn’t mean it’s ok.

Maybe so, but it also means that the "wealth hurdle" is $20.

Were those books sharing test questions from prior years?

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

The C4TJ set wants to minimize the significance of this advantage because they prefer a system that is easily gamed by throwing money at it

They are even more effective at buying with the current admissions. A top student that doesn't go to prep under the old system could still get in. Doesn't look to be the case now unless they have quota points.
People who paid for prep could still get in.

You sound bitter. The top students from each school now get preference, but previously, you had to get a top score on a test where many had advanced access.

Those were the days! You could almost guarantee your kid admission by spending a few $$$.

If it's only a few dollars, why were white kids so underrepresented?

White families don't care about TJ. They mostly prioritize sports.

The notion that white people wouldn't buy their way into good schools if possible is pretty clearly incorrect (see varsity blues scandal).

Since they removed merit from the admission process, the number of white applicants has increased steadily.
They weren't avoiding TJ because TJ sports suck.
They were avoiding TJ because their kids were not competitive.
We saw the same thing with test optional admissions at colleges. The number of white applicants to T50 schools increased because without objective measures of merit, their mediocre kids with expensive extra-curricular activities suddenly had a slim chance at a top school - all for the price of an application fee.

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Anonymous wrote:That's all wishful interpretation. The material Insight chose to include in quant-q is based on generic knowledge, and that's what the prep books available on Amazon contain. It is ridiculous to suggest it is any different from sat, act, etc, or any workbook, textbook for that matter. If Insight believed the amazon prep books had their proprietary information, those wouldn't be allowed to be sold by Amazon for decades for $19.95.

Quant-Q is absolutely different than SAT, ACT, etc. It’s not based on general knowledge - it tests critical thinking skills.

The sections are:
Pattern Recognition
Probability Combinatorics
Out-of-the-Box Algebra
Geometry and Optimization

If you have seen previous Quant-Q problems then it will not accurately measure “out of the box algebra”.

It’s more like the WISC test. Prior exposure invalidates results. Just because Amazon sells WISC prep books doesn’t mean it’s ok.

Maybe so, but it also means that the "wealth hurdle" is $20.

Were those books sharing test questions from prior years?

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

The C4TJ set wants to minimize the significance of this advantage because they prefer a system that is easily gamed by throwing money at it

They are even more effective at buying with the current admissions. A top student that doesn't go to prep under the old system could still get in. Doesn't look to be the case now unless they have quota points.
People who paid for prep could still get in.

You sound bitter. The top students from each school now get preference, but previously, you had to get a top score on a test where many had advanced access.

Those were the days! You could almost guarantee your kid admission by spending a few $$$.

If it's only a few dollars, why were white kids so underrepresented?

White families don't care about TJ. They mostly prioritize sports.

The notion that white people wouldn't buy their way into good schools if possible is pretty clearly incorrect (see varsity blues scandal).

Since they removed merit from the admission process, the number of white applicants has increased steadily.
They weren't avoiding TJ because TJ sports suck.
They were avoiding TJ because their kids were not competitive.
We saw the same thing with test optional admissions at colleges. The number of white applicants to T50 schools increased because without objective measures of merit, their mediocre kids with expensive extra-curricular activities suddenly had a slim chance at a top school - all for the price of an application fee.

To be fair, some asians got caught up in varsity blues too.
The value of a brand name college can be significant even if you don't do well there.
The value of having gone to TJ virtually disappears as soon as you graduate from college.
Honestly going to TJ is really only worth it if you are one of those kids that need TJ to flourish or close to it.
You are accepting kids that will wilt or barely hang on in that environment and denying kids that need that environment to flourish.
You will have to seriously dilute rigor to keep them all from drowning and that will defeat the purpose of having that environment in first place.
This is not harmless error, you are destroying a form of special ed for kids that need this sort of special ed in order to be able to pretend that the people that need this is proportionally distributed by race.

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Anonymous wrote:That's all wishful interpretation. The material Insight chose to include in quant-q is based on generic knowledge, and that's what the prep books available on Amazon contain. It is ridiculous to suggest it is any different from sat, act, etc, or any workbook, textbook for that matter. If Insight believed the amazon prep books had their proprietary information, those wouldn't be allowed to be sold by Amazon for decades for $19.95.

Quant-Q is absolutely different than SAT, ACT, etc. It’s not based on general knowledge - it tests critical thinking skills.

The sections are:
Pattern Recognition
Probability Combinatorics
Out-of-the-Box Algebra
Geometry and Optimization

If you have seen previous Quant-Q problems then it will not accurately measure “out of the box algebra”.

It’s more like the WISC test. Prior exposure invalidates results. Just because Amazon sells WISC prep books doesn’t mean it’s ok.

Maybe so, but it also means that the "wealth hurdle" is $20.

Were those books sharing test questions from prior years?

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

The C4TJ set wants to minimize the significance of this advantage because they prefer a system that is easily gamed by throwing money at it

They are even more effective at buying with the current admissions. A top student that doesn't go to prep under the old system could still get in. Doesn't look to be the case now unless they have quota points.
People who paid for prep could still get in.

You sound bitter. The top students from each school now get preference, but previously, you had to get a top score on a test where many had advanced access.

Top kids as measure by performance on essays. Otherwise top students who go to Curie can get in after getting prepped for the essay while those who don't are likely out.

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Anonymous wrote:That's all wishful interpretation. The material Insight chose to include in quant-q is based on generic knowledge, and that's what the prep books available on Amazon contain. It is ridiculous to suggest it is any different from sat, act, etc, or any workbook, textbook for that matter. If Insight believed the amazon prep books had their proprietary information, those wouldn't be allowed to be sold by Amazon for decades for $19.95.

Quant-Q is absolutely different than SAT, ACT, etc. It’s not based on general knowledge - it tests critical thinking skills.

The sections are:
Pattern Recognition
Probability Combinatorics
Out-of-the-Box Algebra
Geometry and Optimization

If you have seen previous Quant-Q problems then it will not accurately measure “out of the box algebra”.

It’s more like the WISC test. Prior exposure invalidates results. Just because Amazon sells WISC prep books doesn’t mean it’s ok.

Maybe so, but it also means that the "wealth hurdle" is $20.

Were those books sharing test questions from prior years?

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

The C4TJ set wants to minimize the significance of this advantage because they prefer a system that is easily gamed by throwing money at it

They are even more effective at buying with the current admissions. A top student that doesn't go to prep under the old system could still get in. Doesn't look to be the case now unless they have quota points.
People who paid for prep could still get in.

You sound bitter. The top students from each school now get preference, but previously, you had to get a top score on a test where many had advanced access.

Top kids as measure by performance on essays. Otherwise top students who go to Curie can get in after getting prepped for the essay while those who don't are likely out.

Using one math word problem is a bit of a joke.
You basically eliminated the test and replaced it with nothing.
This change was driven by a concern for race over merit.

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Anonymous wrote:That's all wishful interpretation. The material Insight chose to include in quant-q is based on generic knowledge, and that's what the prep books available on Amazon contain. It is ridiculous to suggest it is any different from sat, act, etc, or any workbook, textbook for that matter. If Insight believed the amazon prep books had their proprietary information, those wouldn't be allowed to be sold by Amazon for decades for $19.95.

Quant-Q is absolutely different than SAT, ACT, etc. It’s not based on general knowledge - it tests critical thinking skills.

The sections are:
Pattern Recognition
Probability Combinatorics
Out-of-the-Box Algebra
Geometry and Optimization

If you have seen previous Quant-Q problems then it will not accurately measure “out of the box algebra”.

It’s more like the WISC test. Prior exposure invalidates results. Just because Amazon sells WISC prep books doesn’t mean it’s ok.

Maybe so, but it also means that the "wealth hurdle" is $20.

Were those books sharing test questions from prior years?

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

The C4TJ set wants to minimize the significance of this advantage because they prefer a system that is easily gamed by throwing money at it

They are even more effective at buying with the current admissions. A top student that doesn't go to prep under the old system could still get in. Doesn't look to be the case now unless they have quota points.
People who paid for prep could still get in.

You sound bitter. The top students from each school now get preference, but previously, you had to get a top score on a test where many had advanced access.

That's the problem.
A lot of top students are not getting in.
The process is relatively random.
All in the pursuit of a more palatable demographic profile.

False! The new system sets aside spots for the very top 1.5% from each school.

It's pretty random.
The math question was extremely easy and required very simple algebra.
The schools with less than 10 students probably had fewer than 50 students in the applicant pool that provided complete answers to the essay questions.
If 100 kids from your school are in the applicant pool, you probably have about 20 students getting in.
The admitted students represent a cross section of the applicant pool.
This was all in an effort to reduce the number of asian kids and increase the number of kids with other skin colors, including white kids.

It’s not entirely random. If you are poor at a poorer school, meet the requirements, you’re in over any high achieving middle class student at the same poor school who meets the requirements. Unless that middle class student has an IEP/504, then it could be close, but FARMs counts for more.

At top schools, yeah it’s fairly random.