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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]That's all wishful interpretation.  The material Insight chose to include in quant-q is based on generic knowledge, and that's what the prep books available on Amazon contain.  It is ridiculous to suggest it is any different from sat, act, etc, or any workbook, textbook for that matter. If Insight believed the amazon prep books had their proprietary information, those wouldn't be allowed to be sold by Amazon for decades for $19.95.  [/quote]

Quant-Q is absolutely different than SAT, ACT, etc. It’s not based on general knowledge - it tests critical thinking skills.

The sections are: 
Pattern Recognition
Probability Combinatorics
Out-of-the-Box Algebra
Geometry and Optimization

If you have seen previous Quant-Q problems then it will not accurately measure “out of the box algebra”.

It’s more like the WISC test. Prior exposure invalidates results. Just because Amazon sells WISC prep books doesn’t mean it’s ok. 
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Maybe so, but it also means that the "wealth hurdle" is $20.[/quote]

Were those books sharing test questions from prior years?

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

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The C4TJ set wants to minimize the significance of this advantage because they prefer a system that is easily gamed by throwing money at it[/quote]

They are even more effective at buying with the current admissions.  A top student that doesn't go to prep under the old system could still get in.  Doesn't look to be the case now unless they have quota points.
People who paid for prep could still get in.[/quote]

You sound bitter. The top students from each school now get preference, but previously, you had to get a top score on a test where many had advanced access.[/quote]

Those were the days! You could almost guarantee your kid admission by spending a few $$$.[/quote]

If it's only a few dollars, why were white kids so underrepresented?[/quote]

White families don't care about TJ. They mostly prioritize sports.[/quote]
The notion that white people wouldn't buy their way into good schools if possible is pretty clearly incorrect (see varsity blues scandal).

Since they removed merit from the admission process, the number of white applicants has increased steadily.
They weren't avoiding TJ because TJ sports suck.
They were avoiding TJ because their kids were not competitive.
We saw the same thing with test optional admissions at colleges.  The number of white applicants to T50 schools increased because without objective measures of merit, their mediocre kids with expensive extra-curricular activities suddenly had a slim chance at a top school - all for the price of an application fee.
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To be fair, some asians got caught up in varsity blues too.
The value of a brand name college can be significant even if you don't do well there.
The value of having gone to TJ virtually disappears as soon as you graduate from college.
Honestly going to TJ is really only worth it if you are one of those kids that need TJ to flourish or close to it.
You are accepting kids that will wilt or barely hang on in that environment and denying kids that need that environment to flourish.
You will have to seriously dilute rigor to keep them all from drowning and that will defeat the purpose of having that environment in first place.
This is not harmless error, you are destroying a form of special ed for kids that need this sort of special ed in order to be able to pretend that the people that need this is proportionally distributed by race.[/quote]

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