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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]DC attends Curie, and we moved from Kumon for cost reasons.  For multiple subjects, Curie is much cheaper than Kumon.  Curie as year long grade enrichment for advanced math, english, science and summer courses, has been working well.

But not sure how effective it is to enroll just at the tail end in one month tj essay prep course.  Think of this in terms of -  how effective would Kumon be if student enrolled for just a month before final exam.   Mastering math takes years, not a month or two.  [/quote]

There is a difference between year long enrichment and test prep.  Test prep is about 10 hours of instruction on testing format, time management, things like process of elimination and how to guess, and practice exams.  Some commenters are basically saying that practice exams are cheating.
If you are learning substantive material that might be useful on a mathcounts competition, etc. then this is just studying.
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What do practice exams mean?  periodic assessments? At Curie, there are upfront placement tests and periodic assessments along the way, and before moving to the next level, similar to Kumon.  The overall curriculum is fast paced and high rigor, so these checkpoint assessments help in deciding if student wants to continue to dropout. Considerable number dropout.  [/quote]

Practice exams in the test prep context means taking a previously administered test from a few years ago.

This whole curie thing comes from a bunch of people who are just looking for reasons to justify their racism by saying that the reason they changed the admissions process was to combat the rampant cheating coming out of curie.  They accuse curie of selling TJ test answers and allowing their students to effectively buy their way into tj.  It's stupid and racist.  if you watched the hearings surrounding the change in admissions process, there was a lot of ugly racism on display against all asians but particulary against the indians because they are the newcomers.[/quote]

Too bad it all actually happened and has been proven here over and over.[/quote]

The only part that actually happened was the racism during the hearings and the racism driving the changes to the admissions process.

The admissions changes were driven by a desire for racial balancing not to counteract cheating.
BTW, the cheating at question here is that some kids shared their recollection about the test questions and format with curie after the test.
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People are guessing that this happened.  What is known ([b]at least some have said [/b]they saw it) is that Curie gave had a bank of qiuestions that might be asked and kids said they saw exact questions.[/quote]
But many more have said it's a made-up story! A fabricated story concocted to hurt Curie's reputition, but paradoxically sends more business towards them[/quote]
No, it's not a made-up story. It's real.
Curie posted names of students  but had to remove them when the scandal came out.[/quote]

It's been covered here over and over. There were links to [b]multiple news sources[/b] just a few weeks ago and god knows how many first-hand accounts.[/quote]
other than fake posts on this forum and facebook tj vents, what news sources?[/quote]

It was covered extensively here the other week in a recent thread. There were a half-dozen links there. You're going to have to do your own leg work this time, but I imagine you already know all this and just like to keep asking.[/quote]

It wasn't exactly a scandal but some students shared what they saw at the test and this gave people an idea of the test format and question type.

There are claims that the test company used the same question year after year, effectively giving some kids advance knowledge of the test questions.  
This is effectively malpractice in the testing world and seems hard to believe.  
The format of the test is well known enough that you can buy books on amazon about the test.  
https://www.amazon.com/Quant-Test-Prep-Book-Practice/dp/109286427X

If you think people shouldn't be allowed to study for a test then that is a different conversation.[/quote]
so the bogus claim is a student shared questions from a test prep book widely available on amazon?  [/quote]

I think the claim is that some of the test questions given in year two were identical to test questions given in year one, so if a tutor got the test questions from last year's students, then this year's students walk into the test having already seen some of the questions before.  If that in fact happened then the testing company is guilty of testing malpractice and that would have been newsworthy.  But yeah, the test question format and type are publicly known.

It's mostly just racist envy.  People trying to explain away the success of a minority so the world makes more sense to them.  In a world of structural racism and white supremacy, somehow the children of brown skinned indian immigrants are the ones coming out on top.  You have to make it make sense, so you pretend that they were all born rich and this is all wealth advantage.  That plus the cheating.

Jim crow whites used to do something similar with blacks and jews so their white supremacist worldview made sense.

These days it is racism from the left trying to make their DEI/CRT worldview make sense.  [/quote]

The questions were similar, which invalidates the results given that they are trying to evaluate the critical thinking skills.

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Are you saying that standardized tests cannot measure critical thinking unless noone knows the format of the test?   ROFLMAO[/quote]

Are you saying it's only valid if kids are given the answers to all the questions up front?[/quote]

Noone was given all the answers or any of the answers up front.  
This was never about improving the selection process.  
This was about selecting a more palatable racial mix.

We have decades of research supporting testing as a measure of academic merit.  
Then someone published a paper saying that test scores track with income and everyone  that was looking for an excuse to scrap testing got rid of testing. 
They wanted to get rid of testing because they didn't like the racial disparity in test results.
FCPS latched onto this and said "well if it's good enough for harvard, then it should be good enough for us" and followed suit.
Now that Harvard is requiring testing again, shouldn't that argue for reinstating testing at TJ?

Once again, this had nothing to do with selecting better students and everything to do with selecting a more palatable racial mix.[/quote]

Many people were able to buy access to the test. It was a rigged and corrupt system that some still ironically prefer.[/quote]

Noone believes you, not even you
Noone thinks the changes were made because of the flaws in testing, not even you.
Everyone knows this change was driven by a desire to get fewer asians and more of every other race including white kids.
You're a racist.  Like, right at this moment, you are struggling with a part of yourself that is outraged at these indians that dare to want more than you are willing to give them.
You know all these things.[/quote]

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