Larry Hogan and abortion

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Abortion is a dog whistle that the left and right wings use to enrage and scare their bases. And voters keep falling for that same trap over and over again. This is what you have extreme politics that don’t work on both sides of the aisle.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is a dog whistle that the left and right wings use to enrage and scare their bases. And voters keep falling for that same trap over and over again. This is what you have extreme politics that don’t work on both sides of the aisle.

Women’s rights aren’t “extreme politics” FFS.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ you are just wrong. Without access to legal, safe, abortion care, women die.

It was the doctors who first pushed for abortion to become legal because they saw so many hemorrhaging women end up dead. Women in emergency rooms from back alley abortions.

Abortions will happen whether they are legal or not. It's just a matter of how many more women will end up dead

The abortion rate is about 10 or less per 1000 women. I'm sorry, but an issue that impacts less than 1% of women is simply not a high priority for me.

Do I think you should have accessible abortion, sure. But they single issue is so far down on the list in terms of importance because of how few people it impacts. It's be like getting hyped over a single issue if a candidate had a questionable plan for replacing laws for making things wheel chair accessible yet had great anti-crime and economic ideas. Sure, I think you should make things wheel chair accessible, but if you relaxed those laws, I probably wouldn't care since it impacts so few people while crime and economic policy impacts millions of people everyday.

Sorry, abortion just isn't anywhere near as important as taxation, the economy, jobs, crime, and school quality.

I really don't care about Hogan's stance on abortion at all. All of these side issues are minor compared to bigger picture stuff. Issues like abortion are tiresome topics designed to divide people and trick candidates into gotcha games. I care 100000000x more about the economy.

^^^PP has never talked to a woman.

Sorry, we use tangible things like statistics:

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortion-rate/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

You dingbat, a chart that shows that in any given year less than one percent of women have an abortion does not mean the same thing as "abortion impacts less than 1% of women." Do you think women are mushrooms who spring up for a year, have an abortion or not, and then disappear? But you think you're smart for linking to a statistic you cannot read.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is a dog whistle that the left and right wings use to enrage and scare their bases. And voters keep falling for that same trap over and over again. This is what you have extreme politics that don’t work on both sides of the aisle.

Written by someone who has never been pregnant, does not anticipate ever becoming pregnant, and has never talked to anybody who has been pregnant.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is a dog whistle that the left and right wings use to enrage and scare their bases. And voters keep falling for that same trap over and over again. This is what you have extreme politics that don’t work on both sides of the aisle.

Women’s rights aren’t “extreme politics” FFS.

+1 PP won't care until it's their life on the line

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He will vote for a national abortion ban. He is very much pro-life and has been always.

This. He absolutely will vote for a national abortion ban. This man is the Susan Collins of the South.

I’m fine with a ban at 16 weeks. That’s a reasonable compromise.

This is not a both-sides issue to compromise with Republican politicians on. Is Larry Hogan my gynecologist? No? He and all the other Republicans can STFO. It’s a medical issue, not a political issue. End of story.

Except that 90% of the time it is not a medical issue. It’s a personal preference issue

Either way, if it isn't your womb, it isn't your business.

It’s society’s business to protect the weakest and most vulnerable among us.

Which isn't an unviable fetus. Meanwhile, the GOP is all about pushing wealth to the 1% and shunning the poor and needy, so you can STFU with your noise.

We’re not talking about unviable fetuses. We’re talking about the fact that 90+% of abortions are perfectly on fetuses that are completely viable.

It used to be that 43% of abortions happened in the first 6 weeks (i.e., within 2 weeks of the first missed period), when the conceptus is an embryo, not a fetus. So no, that's not a fact.

But as the PP said - you get to make the decisions about your uterus, other people get to make the decisions about their uteruses.

Like I can make decisions about my child and other people make decisions about their child?

No, a child is not a body part.

An embryo is a body part?

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Anonymous wrote:^^ you are just wrong. Without access to legal, safe, abortion care, women die.

It was the doctors who first pushed for abortion to become legal because they saw so many hemorrhaging women end up dead. Women in emergency rooms from back alley abortions.

Abortions will happen whether they are legal or not. It's just a matter of how many more women will end up dead

The abortion rate is about 10 or less per 1000 women. I'm sorry, but an issue that impacts less than 1% of women is simply not a high priority for me.

Do I think you should have accessible abortion, sure. But they single issue is so far down on the list in terms of importance because of how few people it impacts. It's be like getting hyped over a single issue if a candidate had a questionable plan for replacing laws for making things wheel chair accessible yet had great anti-crime and economic ideas. Sure, I think you should make things wheel chair accessible, but if you relaxed those laws, I probably wouldn't care since it impacts so few people while crime and economic policy impacts millions of people everyday.

Sorry, abortion just isn't anywhere near as important as taxation, the economy, jobs, crime, and school quality.

I really don't care about Hogan's stance on abortion at all. All of these side issues are minor compared to bigger picture stuff. Issues like abortion are tiresome topics designed to divide people and trick candidates into gotcha games. I care 100000000x more about the economy.

^^^PP has never talked to a woman.

Sorry, we use tangible things like statistics:

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortion-rate/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

You dingbat, a chart that shows that in any given year less than one percent of women have an abortion does not mean the same thing as "abortion impacts less than 1% of women." Do you think women are mushrooms who spring up for a year, have an abortion or not, and then disappear? But you think you're smart for linking to a statistic you cannot read.

+1 I'm curious if these figures include D&Cs for women who have miscarried. Not what most people think of as abortion, but still gets caught up in abortion bans.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/health/abortion-miscarriage-treatment.html

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is a dog whistle that the left and right wings use to enrage and scare their bases. And voters keep falling for that same trap over and over again. This is what you have extreme politics that don’t work on both sides of the aisle.

Written by someone who has never been pregnant, does not anticipate ever becoming pregnant, and has never talked to anybody who has been pregnant.

I have been pregnant and agree 100%.

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Anonymous wrote:Narrator:

He will vote for a national abortion ban. He is very much pro-life and has been always.

This. He absolutely will vote for a national abortion ban. This man is the Susan Collins of the South.

I’m fine with a ban at 16 weeks. That’s a reasonable compromise.

This is not a both-sides issue to compromise with Republican politicians on. Is Larry Hogan my gynecologist? No? He and all the other Republicans can STFO. It’s a medical issue, not a political issue. End of story.

Except that 90% of the time it is not a medical issue. It’s a personal preference issue

Either way, if it isn't your womb, it isn't your business.

It’s society’s business to protect the weakest and most vulnerable among us.

Which isn't an unviable fetus. Meanwhile, the GOP is all about pushing wealth to the 1% and shunning the poor and needy, so you can STFU with your noise.

We’re not talking about unviable fetuses. We’re talking about the fact that 90+% of abortions are perfectly on fetuses that are completely viable.

It used to be that 43% of abortions happened in the first 6 weeks (i.e., within 2 weeks of the first missed period), when the conceptus is an embryo, not a fetus. So no, that's not a fact.

But as the PP said - you get to make the decisions about your uterus, other people get to make the decisions about their uteruses.

Like I can make decisions about my child and other people make decisions about their child?

No, a child is not a body part.

An embryo is a body part?

A uterus is a body part.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is a dog whistle that the left and right wings use to enrage and scare their bases. And voters keep falling for that same trap over and over again. This is what you have extreme politics that don’t work on both sides of the aisle.

Written by someone who has never been pregnant, does not anticipate ever becoming pregnant, and has never talked to anybody who has been pregnant.

I have 3 kids. I’m personally pro-choice, but abortion is not my number one issue when I go to the ballot box. Abortion is a hot button topic that both parties use to manipulate the voters.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is a dog whistle that the left and right wings use to enrage and scare their bases. And voters keep falling for that same trap over and over again. This is what you have extreme politics that don’t work on both sides of the aisle.

Written by someone who has never been pregnant, does not anticipate ever becoming pregnant, and has never talked to anybody who has been pregnant.

I have 3 kids. I’m personally pro-choice, but abortion is not my number one issue when I go to the ballot box. Abortion is a hot button topic that both parties use to manipulate the voters.

But it’s the number one difference between Hogan and Trone. Both are otherwise pro-business centrists. Trone would vote against far-right judges and vote for codifying abortion rights nationally. Hogan might vote for an abortion ban, he might not, but he would vote for a right-wing judge that would further take away reproductive rights.

Their views on law enforcement and economic issues are almost identical.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is a dog whistle that the left and right wings use to enrage and scare their bases. And voters keep falling for that same trap over and over again. This is what you have extreme politics that don’t work on both sides of the aisle.

Written by someone who has never been pregnant, does not anticipate ever becoming pregnant, and has never talked to anybody who has been pregnant.

I have 3 kids. I’m personally pro-choice, but abortion is not my number one issue when I go to the ballot box. Abortion is a hot button topic that both parties use to manipulate the voters.

I think it would be great if abortion were not my number one issue. Unfortunately, the Republicans have made it so.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is a dog whistle that the left and right wings use to enrage and scare their bases. And voters keep falling for that same trap over and over again. This is what you have extreme politics that don’t work on both sides of the aisle.

Written by someone who has never been pregnant, does not anticipate ever becoming pregnant, and has never talked to anybody who has been pregnant.

I'm 110% pro-choice (and have been pregnant several times), but that PP does have a point. Democrats, when in the majority, could have codified Roe. Obama said he was going to codify Roe, but then when elected turned to the Affordable Care Act instead.

So Dems went back to using the fear of overturning it to fund-raise for decades. And will continue to dine out on it.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is a dog whistle that the left and right wings use to enrage and scare their bases. And voters keep falling for that same trap over and over again. This is what you have extreme politics that don’t work on both sides of the aisle.

Written by someone who has never been pregnant, does not anticipate ever becoming pregnant, and has never talked to anybody who has been pregnant.

I'm 110% pro-choice (and have been pregnant several times), but that PP does have a point. Democrats, when in the majority, could have codified Roe. Obama said he was going to codify Roe, but then when elected turned to the Affordable Care Act instead.

So Dems went back to using the fear of overturning it to fund-raise for decades. And will continue to dine out on it.

I'm more interested in ensuring reproductive rights for real people right now, then blaming Obama for things he maybe could have done but didn't.

Also, speaking of the ACA, reproductive rights, and codifying Roe - remember the Supreme Court's decision in Burwell vs. Hobby Lobby?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hogan trying to play the “both sides are extreme” on abortion and whitewash his record

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/19/extremes-should-not-control-abortion-conversation/

He says he won’t vote for a national abortion ban but he won’t vote to codify abortion rights either, he vetoed it in Maryland as governor. Will this issue prevent the high numbers of Democratic ticket splitting? I know a lot of people voted for Hogan to balance out the “far left” in Annapolis, but there is no “far left” in the Senate that necessitates a so-called centrist Republican from Maryland. And his likely opponent, David Trone, is as pro-business and centrist as you could want.

He's lying.