Anyone’s kid apply to more than 20 schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd be super curious how things would shake out if they limited apps like they do in the UK, like 10 tops.

BTW, people have mentioned this before and everyone goes nuts - common app does limit apps! -- but no, it doesn't.

I'd also love to see schools go back to requiring tests and also post a minimum for GPA and test scores. I think 10% of apps at high reaches are totally a waste of everyone's time. you have to have a 1200 and a 3.5, cmon people. We can read holistically from there.

Yeah, but what about someone with a 4.0 and 1550? This is my kid and he got rejected ED1. He has a legitimate shot anywhere but might get rejected by all the top schools.

where did he apply ED?

[Anonymous]

How can you apply to more than 20?

[Anonymous]

UCs don't count toward 20, and you can always apply (or have to) outside the common app (e.g. Georgetown). With the CCO saying basically nothing is a safety even for a 36 ACT 3.8 Big 3 kid but whose parents are nothing special, but then saying don't apply to more than 12, it's a stupid year overall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UCs don't count toward 20, and you can always apply (or have to) outside the common app (e.g. Georgetown). With the CCO saying basically nothing is a safety even for a 36 ACT 3.8 Big 3 kid but whose parents are nothing special, but then saying don't apply to more than 12, it's a stupid year overall.

This kind of kid would be screwed if they can only apply to 12. That GPA is problematic.

My kid is in the same boat GPA wise but at a non-DMV private that is permitting unlimited apps this year bc of the “unprecedented chaos” (their words….)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCs don't count toward 20, and you can always apply (or have to) outside the common app (e.g. Georgetown). With the CCO saying basically nothing is a safety even for a 36 ACT 3.8 Big 3 kid but whose parents are nothing special, but then saying don't apply to more than 12, it's a stupid year overall.

This kind of kid would be screwed if they can only apply to 12. That GPA is problematic.

My kid is in the same boat GPA wise but at a non-DMV private that is permitting unlimited apps this year bc of the “unprecedented chaos” (their words….)

DP. No. That GPA at a Big3 is not comparable to your kid's public school GPA. The admissions officers know this and school rigor. Since they don't have APs and have grade deflation- not inflation. 3.8 is high.

[Anonymous]

They didn't limit so our kid applied to a bunch, but it feels wrong when high school was so crazy hard and a 3.8 in advanced classes appears to be in maybe the top 1/4, though who knows. It will be okay in the end I'm sure but ED1 didn't work out so onward . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think high-stats students applying to 15+ schools is going to result in other students getting shut out so long as a student can ultimately only enroll in a single school. Each school's institutional analysis department will have a pretty good understanding of the percentage of admitted students likely to accept their offers (yield). Occasionally they underestimate and over admit, in which case more (not fewer) students get it. More often, they slightly overestimate their yield such they are short of a full class immediately after the RD round, in which case they fill the empty spots from the waitlist.

That said, I suspect that the greater number of applications per student is responsible for the greater unpredictability. And the greater unpredictability is responsible for the greater number of applications per student, creating a vicious cycle.

TEST OPTIONAL is responsible for the unpredictability. Colleges are creating a vicious cycle. I hate the constant blaming of students. Kids that want to try for top schools after a lifetime of pushing themselves, or families who need to shop for merit have every right to give themselves the best chance. The only choice is to apply widely.

The alternative is to be happy with a mid-tier public when you have a reasonable shot at an Ivy, or take out more student loans? F that. Kids should do what's best for them in this broken system they did not create.

+1 PREACH

Bring back the tests! End the madness.

[Anonymous]

you can apply via common app and once those are submitted, delete from portal and apply to more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCs don't count toward 20, and you can always apply (or have to) outside the common app (e.g. Georgetown). With the CCO saying basically nothing is a safety even for a 36 ACT 3.8 Big 3 kid but whose parents are nothing special, but then saying don't apply to more than 12, it's a stupid year overall.

This kind of kid would be screwed if they can only apply to 12. That GPA is problematic.

My kid is in the same boat GPA wise but at a non-DMV private that is permitting unlimited apps this year bc of the “unprecedented chaos” (their words….)

DP. No. That GPA at a Big3 is not comparable to your kid's public school GPA. The admissions officers know this and school rigor. Since they don't have APs and have grade deflation- not inflation. 3.8 is high.

My kid’s at a rigorous private but ok.
It’s the private school kids under 3.9 but above 3.75 that are squeezed when the 3.9+ get dinged or deferred Ed and apply RD widely to 20+ schools…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They didn't limit so our kid applied to a bunch, but it feels wrong when high school was so crazy hard and a 3.8 in advanced classes appears to be in maybe the top 1/4, though who knows. It will be okay in the end I'm sure but ED1 didn't work out so onward . . .

Same here.
Good luck!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:you can apply via common app and once those are submitted, delete from portal and apply to more.

Really?

Should you just create a new account in Scoir?

Why delete?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think high-stats students applying to 15+ schools is going to result in other students getting shut out so long as a student can ultimately only enroll in a single school. Each school's institutional analysis department will have a pretty good understanding of the percentage of admitted students likely to accept their offers (yield). Occasionally they underestimate and over admit, in which case more (not fewer) students get it. More often, they slightly overestimate their yield such they are short of a full class immediately after the RD round, in which case they fill the empty spots from the waitlist.

That said, I suspect that the greater number of applications per student is responsible for the greater unpredictability. And the greater unpredictability is responsible for the greater number of applications per student, creating a vicious cycle.

TEST OPTIONAL is responsible for the unpredictability. Colleges are creating a vicious cycle. I hate the constant blaming of students. Kids that want to try for top schools after a lifetime of pushing themselves, or families who need to shop for merit have every right to give themselves the best chance. The only choice is to apply widely.

The alternative is to be happy with a mid-tier public when you have a reasonable shot at an Ivy, or take out more student loans? F that. Kids should do what's best for them in this broken system they did not create.

Test optional has fueled the problem, but it isn't the only reason. People have short memories. Look at the posts pre-pandemic on this board, Reddit, and College Confidential.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is insane. This is the same mentality that people had when they were hoarding toilet paper at the start of Covid.

Exactly! This type of panic only fuels the problem further.

[Anonymous]

Not the same. During Covid, once you got a six-pack of TP, you knew you had some and after that it was greedy. Here, you don't know which stores will even sell you a roll so you have to shop at 20 simultaneously because your CCO says that everybody is out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd be super curious how things would shake out if they limited apps like they do in the UK, like 10 tops.

BTW, people have mentioned this before and everyone goes nuts - common app does limit apps! -- but no, it doesn't.

I'd also love to see schools go back to requiring tests and also post a minimum for GPA and test scores. I think 10% of apps at high reaches are totally a waste of everyone's time. you have to have a 1200 and a 3.5, cmon people. We can read holistically from there.

The schools make WAY too much money off of application fees for this to ever happen.