Will there be fewer applicants to Harvard, Penn, MIT next year?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely not for MIT.

I think some students and families will reconsider Penn. Many actually. This has been a disaster for Penn.

Harvard gets the brass ring students. It's been like that for a while. The goal is Harvard. That's all that matters. The nuances of genocide is not going to dissuade them. There are tons of amoral high stats well-connected kids who will take that apex degree.

For every Jewish kid that wavers about Penn, there are about 5 Asian kids with identical stats dying to get in

Jews aren’t going to turn down Penn for Alabama

Um... there are hundreds of schools between the two. It's not a Penn/Alabama choice - how idiotic.
DP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jewish applications will go down.

Where are Jews gonna go? As pp remarked, suny?!?? Alabama?!??!

Are you always this stupid?
DP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes definitely. Not only will there be no Jewish students applying, but many non-Jewish will look elsewhere. The schools are getting blacklisted by quite a few CEOs and others will be hesitant to welcome a graduate into a diverse working atmosphere.

Wall Street is not blacklisting the Wharton School. Get real.

Idk. The Wharton school doesn’t look so great now. No NYC business wants to hire brain-dead ideologues. It’s bad for business.

[Anonymous]

The problems these schools have is that they’re starting to be primarily associated with dim students. For many years their trade-off was that they’d allow in smart students that they didn’t actually want (of all backgrounds) provided that they could continue to admit the dim ideologues. It worked for awhile. The smart students would go on to become successful donors while the schools could still boast about the dim ideologues they admitted. But issues started to pop up: the smart students started challenging the dim ideologues. This was unacceptable and so the schools implemented strict speech limits, to spare the feelings of the dim ideologues. But that meant the smart students started to quietly look elsewhere.

That was already happening, but recent events have sped it up. I have heard more alumni of all backgrounds express disgust at MIT than I’ve heard before in my life. And they aren’t Jewish, they’re just disgusted at what has happened to MIT, which used to be a place for the best and brightest, but now just wants the dim ideologues. It is sad to watch.

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I don’t think they’ll struggle for applicants, you’re underestimating how much young adults are leaning pro Palestine/anti Israel. My neutral, liberal son is having trouble at his LAC. I do think schools like Emory and Michigan, whose presidents unequivocally stood with Israel from the get go will get more Jewish applicants, especially in early decision (I know UM doesn’t have ED).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think they’ll struggle for applicants, you’re underestimating how much young adults are leaning pro Palestine/anti Israel. My neutral, liberal son is having trouble at his LAC. I do think schools like Emory and Michigan, whose presidents unequivocally stood with Israel from the get go will get more Jewish applicants, especially in early decision (I know UM doesn’t have ED).

They definitely won’t struggle for applicants. But the applicants won’t be as good as in years past, and that will eventually harm the schools. I don’t mean just Jewish students choosing not to apply, I mean bright students across the board.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I truly believe the Ivy schools were already in decline other than legacy kids who wouldn’t have stood a prayer otherwise. But I do think there are more smart kids today choosing NOT to go to an Ivy and in todays climate will continue to choose a diff path.

They are getting more applications and the stats of those admitted are going up. I'm sure there are other ways to measure "decline" but you should explain.

I can remember actual dumpster fires over the Vietnam War. This kind of crazy stuff is almost normal at Ivy League schools. At least since the sixties.

Eh. The number of applications and stats have been up everywhere,

The testimony by the presidents of Harvard, Penn, and MIT were a real dumpster fire. Smart kids have been moving away from ivy league schools for a while. Impossible to get in without a hook. And then there's a sense you have to walk on egg shells for four years.

Most kids will say no thank you to that environment.

It's not like you can't get a decent education at Michigan, Rice, Northwestern, Duke, Berkeley, CalTech, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Chicago, and so on and so forth. Bowdoin, Williams, Amherst, West Point, Pomona, Annapolis, Swarthmore.

The Ivy League ain't all that. Except for the Cornell School of Hotel Administration. And I mean that genuinely. Very cool program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I truly believe the Ivy schools were already in decline other than legacy kids who wouldn’t have stood a prayer otherwise. But I do think there are more smart kids today choosing NOT to go to an Ivy and in todays climate will continue to choose a diff path.

They are getting more applications and the stats of those admitted are going up. I'm sure there are other ways to measure "decline" but you should explain.

I can remember actual dumpster fires over the Vietnam War. This kind of crazy stuff is almost normal at Ivy League schools. At least since the sixties.

Eh. The number of applications and stats have been up everywhere,

The testimony by the presidents of Harvard, Penn, and MIT were a real dumpster fire. Smart kids have been moving away from ivy league schools for a while. Impossible to get in without a hook. And then there's a sense you have to walk on egg shells for four years.

Most kids will say no thank you to that environment.

It's not like you can't get a decent education at Michigan, Rice, Northwestern, Duke, Berkeley, CalTech, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Chicago, and so on and so forth. Bowdoin, Williams, Amherst, West Point, Pomona, Annapolis, Swarthmore.

The Ivy League ain't all that. Except for the Cornell School of Hotel Administration. And I mean that genuinely. Very cool program.

They might lose some Jewish applicants but it won't deter most.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely not for MIT.

I think some students and families will reconsider Penn. Many actually. This has been a disaster for Penn.

Harvard gets the brass ring students. It's been like that for a while. The goal is Harvard. That's all that matters. The nuances of genocide is not going to dissuade them. There are tons of amoral high stats well-connected kids who will take that apex degree.

For every Jewish kid that wavers about Penn, there are about 5 Asian kids with identical stats dying to get in

Jews aren’t going to turn down Penn for Alabama

Because those are the only two choices?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I truly believe the Ivy schools were already in decline other than legacy kids who wouldn’t have stood a prayer otherwise. But I do think there are more smart kids today choosing NOT to go to an Ivy and in todays climate will continue to choose a diff path.

They are getting more applications and the stats of those admitted are going up. I'm sure there are other ways to measure "decline" but you should explain.

I can remember actual dumpster fires over the Vietnam War. This kind of crazy stuff is almost normal at Ivy League schools. At least since the sixties.

DP. I just checked, and the number of applications at Harvard went up when they went test optional, but have been flat since. The “stats” going up are also the result of test optional, as well as grade inflation at high schools.

[Anonymous]

More full pay families may look elsewhere. Pay full freight for toxic environment?

[Anonymous]

The Harvard Corp board needs to admit their mistake in selecting the current university president and find a new leader. Maybe Penn and MIT trustees need to take similar action.

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About 75% of my Jewish friends, and my children Jewish friends are not at all happy with Israel or how sone powerful Jewish Americans are bullying colleges. Most are pro peace. Israel is run by a right wing government right now, and younger people are sick of the right here and there. I know of no one changing there ED or RD choices.

[Anonymous]

It’s not abt the applicants…it’s the donors.

But maybe the Qataris have filled in for those checks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:About 75% of my Jewish friends, and my children Jewish friends are not at all happy with Israel or how sone powerful Jewish Americans are bullying colleges. Most are pro peace. Israel is run by a right wing government right now, and younger people are sick of the right here and there. I know of no one changing there ED or RD choices.

Many of us are pro peace, detest the current Israeli govt, the settler movement and think that while Hamas needs to be dealt with the current action in Gaza is not being careful enough about civilians BUT that’s all kind of irrelevant to the issue at hand which is that we also don’t want our American Jewish kids to be harassed or in physical danger on American college campuses because they are Jewish. That was why the testimony by the college presidents the other day was so abhorrent.

To answer the OP’s question I don’t think it’s going to impact applications to these schools though for a host of reasons.