is applying Test Optional to UVA arts and sciences disadvantageous

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM just really wants testing to be more important than it is. Why are you afraid for your kid to be judged on their academics without testing?

If the AOs say TO is fine, why are you so adamant that they're wrong? How does it benefit them to lie?

They want certain categories of students to apply test optional , but can’t say that aloud. Not sure why this is hard for you to understand.

NP: this is a post about UVA. According to the CDS. 30-35% of enrolled students were TO. Are you arguing that all of the URM students (15%) were TO? And even if that were true, who are the other 15-20% of students? Somehow they are not white or Asian?

Institutional priorities, which are would include athletic recruits, urm, Pell eligible, first ten etc . And yes, some of those hooked kids might be white or Asian. If your kid is hooked, apply test optional.

Well according to the published data more than SOME of those kids are white or Asian. Looks like 50%!

Lots of white kids applying to UVA TO this year!! I can personally attest!
Happy to update you….

Only 30% TO got in. Why handicap yourself ?wouldn't you want to be in the 70% since most of the 30% will be athletes and other hooks, first gen, URM.

This is not correct. You don’t have a 70% chance of getting in because you submitted scores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you apply TO to UVA then you also can’t submit AP scores. This was asked in an Instagram live with Dean J and she was really dismissive of the question, saying something like you are thinking to hard about this bc test scores aren’t important.

Then how come they aren’t Test Blind. Someone should ask Dean J that.

From what I have seen AOs don’t make the call on policies. They do the grunt work. They all say that academics trump standardized tests when they’re making decisions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you apply TO to UVA then you also can’t submit AP scores. This was asked in an Instagram live with Dean J and she was really dismissive of the question, saying something like you are thinking to hard about this bc test scores aren’t important.

Then how come they aren’t Test Blind. Someone should ask Dean J that.

From what I have seen AOs don’t make the call on policies. They do the grunt work. They all say that academics trump standardized tests when they’re making decisions.

And that’s true at every school

[Anonymous]

TO decisions are NOT one size fits all. They have to be weighed in context - the student's stats, the school's CDS, the high school's acceptance data, the application cycle (ED vs. EA/RD), hooked vs. unhooked, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TO decisions are NOT one size fits all. They have to be weighed in context - the student's stats, the school's CDS, the high school's acceptance data, the application cycle (ED vs. EA/RD), hooked vs. unhooked, etc.

This is specific to UVA though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM just really wants testing to be more important than it is. Why are you afraid for your kid to be judged on their academics without testing?

If the AOs say TO is fine, why are you so adamant that they're wrong? How does it benefit them to lie?

They want certain categories of students to apply test optional , but can’t say that aloud. Not sure why this is hard for you to understand.

NP: this is a post about UVA. According to the CDS. 30-35% of enrolled students were TO. Are you arguing that all of the URM students (15%) were TO? And even if that were true, who are the other 15-20% of students? Somehow they are not white or Asian?

Institutional priorities, which are would include athletic recruits, urm, Pell eligible, first ten etc . And yes, some of those hooked kids might be white or Asian. If your kid is hooked, apply test optional.

Well according to the published data more than SOME of those kids are white or Asian. Looks like 50%!

Lots of white kids applying to UVA TO this year!! I can personally attest!
Happy to update you….

Only 30% TO got in. Why handicap yourself ?wouldn't you want to be in the 70% since most of the 30% will be athletes and other hooks, first gen, URM.

This is not correct. You don’t have a 70% chance of getting in because you submitted scores.

PP didn't say that

[Anonymous]

My OOS unhooked DS submitted his score of 32. It's such a long shot for him anyway, even with a strong application in terms of rigor/GPA/involvement/essays. He (maybe correctly) assumes that not submitting implies a score under the 25th percentile, and he's right at that mark.

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Anonymous wrote:Test optional is fine at UVA but everything else needs to be outstanding.

My kid is submitting a 33….
OOS though.

What’s the 50% in CDS?

Don't know about CDS but SCHEV has the median ACT as a 33 for last year's incoming class. 75th percentile was a 34; Bottom 25th percentile a 32.

My kid also had 33 and we were advised to submit because of a couple of Bs in language classes. hope it was the right decision.

My DS was accepted with a 33 last year

That's a good score.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM just really wants testing to be more important than it is. Why are you afraid for your kid to be judged on their academics without testing?

If the AOs say TO is fine, why are you so adamant that they're wrong? How does it benefit them to lie?

They want certain categories of students to apply test optional , but can’t say that aloud. Not sure why this is hard for you to understand.

NP: this is a post about UVA. According to the CDS. 30-35% of enrolled students were TO. Are you arguing that all of the URM students (15%) were TO? And even if that were true, who are the other 15-20% of students? Somehow they are not white or Asian?

Institutional priorities, which are would include athletic recruits, urm, Pell eligible, first ten etc . And yes, some of those hooked kids might be white or Asian. If your kid is hooked, apply test optional.

Well according to the published data more than SOME of those kids are white or Asian. Looks like 50%!

Lots of white kids applying to UVA TO this year!! I can personally attest!
Happy to update you….

Only 30% TO got in. Why handicap yourself ?wouldn't you want to be in the 70% since most of the 30% will be athletes and other hooks, first gen, URM.

This is not correct. You don’t have a 70% chance of getting in because you submitted scores.

PP didn't say that

They said only 30% who applied TO got in. That is not at all true. The overall admit rate was much lower than that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Test optional is fine at UVA but everything else needs to be outstanding.

My kid is submitting a 33….
OOS though.

What’s the 50% in CDS?

Don't know about CDS but SCHEV has the median ACT as a 33 for last year's incoming class. 75th percentile was a 34; Bottom 25th percentile a 32.

My kid also had 33 and we were advised to submit because of a couple of Bs in language classes. hope it was the right decision.

My DS was accepted with a 33 last year

That's a good score.

it is, but a 33 is the median. 34 is the 75th percentile

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TO decisions are NOT one size fits all. They have to be weighed in context - the student's stats, the school's CDS, the high school's acceptance data, the application cycle (ED vs. EA/RD), hooked vs. unhooked, etc.

This is specific to UVA though.

I realize that, and my opinion on the matter stands. UVA isn't globally different than any other school with a TO application offering. No matter what the Dean J harpy says.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TO decisions are NOT one size fits all. They have to be weighed in context - the student's stats, the school's CDS, the high school's acceptance data, the application cycle (ED vs. EA/RD), hooked vs. unhooked, etc.

This is specific to UVA though.

I realize that, and my opinion on the matter stands. UVA isn't globally different than any other school with a TO application offering. No matter what the Dean J harpy says.

UVA has never cared about scores as much as other schools. So it’s not just like other schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TO decisions are NOT one size fits all. They have to be weighed in context - the student's stats, the school's CDS, the high school's acceptance data, the application cycle (ED vs. EA/RD), hooked vs. unhooked, etc.

This is specific to UVA though.

I realize that, and my opinion on the matter stands. UVA isn't globally different than any other school with a TO application offering. No matter what the Dean J harpy says.

This is inappropriate. You sound unhinged.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TO decisions are NOT one size fits all. They have to be weighed in context - the student's stats, the school's CDS, the high school's acceptance data, the application cycle (ED vs. EA/RD), hooked vs. unhooked, etc.

This is specific to UVA though.

I realize that, and my opinion on the matter stands. UVA isn't globally different than any other school with a TO application offering. No matter what the Dean J harpy says.

UVA has never cared about scores as much as other schools. So it’s not just like other schools.

What? It's an elite state school. The oppposite is true. It's mostly guided by GPA and test scores and high school rank.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TO decisions are NOT one size fits all. They have to be weighed in context - the student's stats, the school's CDS, the high school's acceptance data, the application cycle (ED vs. EA/RD), hooked vs. unhooked, etc.

This is specific to UVA though.

I realize that, and my opinion on the matter stands. UVA isn't globally different than any other school with a TO application offering. No matter what the Dean J harpy says.

UVA has never cared about scores as much as other schools. So it’s not just like other schools.

And yet, it has fewer kids enrolled who applied test optional than schools like Vandy, which used to really care about test scores.