“Domestic supply of infants”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that ALL adoption should be illegal. I have seen it use in a way that the children are just pawns. There is no reason that children cannot be in guardianship relationships. In fact, in my will, I have stated that my parents will become my children's guardian if I die but that they should NEVER be able to adopt them. My children do not need new parents. That is disgusting. They have parents (dead ones, but parents). I don't want the grandparents (or anyone else) being called "mom" and "dad" and pretend that I didn't exist (it's mean to the children!)

And, same with surrogacy -- if you cannot have children, I am sorry but take on a guardianship of an older child. There is a privacy right to have sex/babies but no right of surrogacy. It just devalues older children which is disgusting.

Wow.

Good thing you are not the decision maker for everyone else!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a complicated issue.
Is it ok to create a baby who will not have a mother past the first minutes after birth?
Is it ok to leave the baby with the parents who are clearly not able to give her a good life?
Is it ok to deny parenting to someone who isn’t a biological parent but can give the baby so much more than the bio parents?

That’s not complicated at all. Yes it’s ABSOLUTELY ok to “deny parenting” to someone even if they’re wealthier than the child’s biological parents. Or do you think if Elon Musk wants to adopt your child he should be entitled to do so because he can “give them so much more” than you?

You are reducing it all to wealth.
If the bio parents are so poor that they can’t give the child stable housing (even if it’s a small apartment) and nutritious food; if they are so uneducated that they can’t give the child the basics before school; if they are addicted or mentally ill but keep having babies - absolutely the kids need to be adopted.
You seem to close your eyes to a common problem - people have kids but they can’t give them even the basics of stable lives.

No, if bio parents are so poor that they can't give the child stability, then we need to make sure they have what it takes to give that child stability. WTF. Only a cruel inhumane person would think the solution is to take kids away from poor parents. It's a sick society that doesn't help those parents.

Lol what? They shouldn’t have procreated but fine, they did. You’re going to punish their child to save them?

Not only are you cruel and inhumane you’re also dim.

Open adoptions are a disaster as is foster-to-adopt. If your kid is in foster care repeatedly, you’re a disaster - run blood work and prep a file on the parents, terminate their parental rights and hope they off themselves before they find that kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a complicated issue.
Is it ok to create a baby who will not have a mother past the first minutes after birth?
Is it ok to leave the baby with the parents who are clearly not able to give her a good life?
Is it ok to deny parenting to someone who isn’t a biological parent but can give the baby so much more than the bio parents?

That’s not complicated at all. Yes it’s ABSOLUTELY ok to “deny parenting” to someone even if they’re wealthier than the child’s biological parents. Or do you think if Elon Musk wants to adopt your child he should be entitled to do so because he can “give them so much more” than you?

You are reducing it all to wealth.
If the bio parents are so poor that they can’t give the child stable housing (even if it’s a small apartment) and nutritious food; if they are so uneducated that they can’t give the child the basics before school; if they are addicted or mentally ill but keep having babies - absolutely the kids need to be adopted.
You seem to close your eyes to a common problem - people have kids but they can’t give them even the basics of stable lives.

No, if bio parents are so poor that they can't give the child stability, then we need to make sure they have what it takes to give that child stability. WTF. Only a cruel inhumane person would think the solution is to take kids away from poor parents. It's a sick society that doesn't help those parents.

Lol what? They shouldn’t have procreated but fine, they did. You’re going to punish their child to save them?

Not only are you cruel and inhumane you’re also dim.

Open adoptions are a disaster as is foster-to-adopt. If your kid is in foster care repeatedly, you’re a disaster - run blood work and prep a file on the parents, terminate their parental rights and hope they off themselves before they find that kid.

Who are you to say "they shouldn't have procreated"? You are basically saying poor people shouldn't have children. Elistist and authoritarian to the core.

And you're the one who wants to punish children by denying their parents the social safety net to make sure that no one goes hungry or is homeless. You'd have the state go in and remove children because their parents are too poor. What a nightmarish scenario, one that would result in thousands of more kids without families because the foster care system is already too overwhelmed. You sound like the sort of person who would have been leading that Canadian program to steal indigenous children away from their families. Horrifying.

--someone who grew up in a poor household and who loves their parents unconditionally despite their struggle to provide material things

[Anonymous]

Studies now show how infants suffer from being separated from their biological mother. It's a despicable process And should be illegal. Instead, help women whom have children,

[Anonymous]

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This is pretty sick.

You know what’s really sick? This evangelical military couple with a passel of sons who stole an Afghan baby whose parents were killed in the war.
https://apnews.com/article/afghan-baby-us-mar...4b288a0a8415735e24ab

Is there an update on this case? Has the child been returned to the Afghani couple?

How would they be returned if their parents were killed in war?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Studies now show how infants suffer from being separated from their biological mother. It's a despicable process And should be illegal. Instead, help women whom have children,

what about fathers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Studies now show how infants suffer from being separated from their biological mother. It's a despicable process And should be illegal. Instead, help women whom have children,

what about fathers?

Man do not carry fetus is their bodies, give birth, or nurture the same as women. It's called the primal wound and it makes perfect sense that there is a inseparable bond between a woman and the child she carries for nine months.


https://www.adoptionbirthmothers.com/known-consequences-of-separating-mother-and-child-at-birth-implications-for-further-study/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Studies now show how infants suffer from being separated from their biological mother. It's a despicable process And should be illegal. Instead, help women whom have children,

what about fathers?

Man do not carry fetus is their bodies, give birth, or nurture the same as women. It's called the primal wound and it makes perfect sense that there is a inseparable bond between a woman and the child she carries for nine months.


https://www.adoptionbirthmothers.com/known-consequences-of-separating-mother-and-child-at-birth-implications-for-further-study/

It’s ok for gays to adopt. We must keep children out of Christian families

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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This is pretty sick.

You know what’s really sick? This evangelical military couple with a passel of sons who stole an Afghan baby whose parents were killed in the war.
https://apnews.com/article/afghan-baby-us-mar...4b288a0a8415735e24ab

Is there an update on this case? Has the child been returned to the Afghani couple?

The couple that was granted custody were not the biological parents. They were relatives who wanted to raise their relation. They were granted custody by the Afghani government (the pre-Taliban one). I think DNA tests proved they were related?
How would they be returned if their parents were killed in war?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, do you all remember Amy Coney Barrett’s note about the “domestic supply of infants” in her rationale of why Roe should be overturned?? Well, looks like there is more effort underfoot to increase this “domestic supply” as international adoptions are more restricted and fewer single moms in America put their kids up for adoption.

This is an ongoing ploy for foster parents to steal kids from biological parents who follow the full plan to get their kids back. Potential parents are going into the foster system deliberately to try to work the system to keep their foster infants. This is horrific.

https://www.propublica.org/article/foster-care-intervention-adoption-colorado

This wouldn't increase the domestic supply of infants. Whether the infant is raised by birth parents or adopted parents, it is still one infant. It doesn't multiply and become two infants when adopted. So ABCs comments have nothing to do with the adoption issues you are presenting.

But we all know that what she meant was increasing the supply of infants that evangelical Christians can adopt. So stealing from the foster system absolutely increases *that* supply.

Do we all know that? I certainly don't. It seems like she just made a straightforward statement that it reduces the domestic supply of infants in a time of declining fertility. She seems like an educated person and most educated people are interested in this topic from an economic standpoint.

She seems like an Aunt Lydia and a dolt.

She 100% is approaching this from the standpoint of a religious extremist who wants women to be under the control of men, or at least under the control of women like her.

The smartest people are not thinking of birth rates strictly in terms of “economics” but of the fact that humans are murdering the health of the planet and fewer people born is healthier.

Ah. The smartest people all agree with you. Fascinating.

Its possible ABC had all of those thoughts as she made her decision, but that wasn't the argument she articulated. It's also, frankly, a weird and obscure argument to think that she is just thinking in terms of domestic adoptions. That's a niche issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such a complicated issue.
Is it ok to create a baby who will not have a mother past the first minutes after birth?
Is it ok to leave the baby with the parents who are clearly not able to give her a good life?
Is it ok to deny parenting to someone who isn’t a biological parent but can give the baby so much more than the bio parents?

That’s not complicated at all. Yes it’s ABSOLUTELY ok to “deny parenting” to someone even if they’re wealthier than the child’s biological parents. Or do you think if Elon Musk wants to adopt your child he should be entitled to do so because he can “give them so much more” than you?

You are reducing it all to wealth.
If the bio parents are so poor that they can’t give the child stable housing (even if it’s a small apartment) and nutritious food; if they are so uneducated that they can’t give the child the basics before school; if they are addicted or mentally ill but keep having babies - absolutely the kids need to be adopted.
You seem to close your eyes to a common problem - people have kids but they can’t give them even the basics of stable lives.

No, if bio parents are so poor that they can't give the child stability, then we need to make sure they have what it takes to give that child stability. WTF. Only a cruel inhumane person would think the solution is to take kids away from poor parents. It's a sick society that doesn't help those parents.

Have you found a solution to generational poverty, lack of education and maternal instinct, to addiction and mental illness?
Some people are beyond being helped and the best we can do is give them a life of relative comfort with a permission to see their kids when they are fit for it.

Many parents have only visitation rights even when they are perfectly ok parents. It won’t break them down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Studies now show how infants suffer from being separated from their biological mother. It's a despicable process And should be illegal. Instead, help women whom have children,

It really depends on the circumstances and as an adoptee who knew my (paranoid schizophrenic since 19 years old) birth mom, I am ever so thankful to be adopted and to be officially adopted, not some bs guardianship as a PP proposed.

Unless you are adopted, just stop talking, you don't understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Studies now show how infants suffer from being separated from their biological mother. It's a despicable process And should be illegal. Instead, help women whom have children,

What studies actually show is that children often fare better in an open adoption vs a closed adoption, but individual circumstances for what may be best may vary.

[Anonymous]

Dear God I cannot believe this has turned into a game of handing off unwanted children.

Can we just agree the goal should be to enable women to control their fertility so there are no unwanted children?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Studies now show how infants suffer from being separated from their biological mother. It's a despicable process And should be illegal. Instead, help women whom have children,

It really depends on the circumstances and as an adoptee who knew my (paranoid schizophrenic since 19 years old) birth mom, I am ever so thankful to be adopted and to be officially adopted, not some bs guardianship as a PP proposed.

Unless you are adopted, just stop talking, you don't understand.

I have every right to say what I think about adoption. It is an evil practice. If the birth mother cannot care for her child then someone in her family should be named as guardian or, if known the father of the child or member of his family.