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Anonymous wrote:I’m not Catholic. I do think this is awful. But I also wonder if you’re equally as obsessive on the school and Family fora, or whether you bother to report on leaders from other faiths, every time there’s a news report about molestation.

This. The media and liberals seem to have an obsession with Catholics that do wrong. Protestants, Muslims, Jews - they all get a pass.

No, there’s plenty of coverage when an evangelical pastor is busted for gay s*x.

The media/popular attention is due to the fact that these guys are massive hypocrites. Trying to exert control over other people’s sexuality and reproduction, including through political influence, and meanwhile engaged in the most rank personal conduct. As for Catholics, there is plenty of evidence that the Catholic Church specifically has an abuse problem caused by the celibacy requirement and the type of people who are attracted to that, plus access to minors, and a culture of covering up abuse.

Kindly cite the “evidence” you claim allegedly linking celibacy to a propensity to commit sexual abuse.

As for “the type of people attracted to that,” people who engage in sexual activity with minors, or with anyone, by definition are not celibate.

The rate of sexual abuse by educators, police, foster parents, prison personnel, scouting and coaching personnel, and non-Catholic clergy vastly exceeds anything even alleged, let alone proven at any time against clergy in the Catholic Church. The rate in schools is estimated to be at least 100x that alleged against the Church. The vast majority of the persons committing such abuse are married/non-celibate.

Kindly cite the "evidence" for your assertion that non-catholic clergy abuse at a higher rate than catholic clergy

The assertion about non-Catholic educators is something that's kicking around hard-right, Christian nationalist circles. When they bother to cite any evidence, they all link back to a Pennsylvania state government cite that misquotes a Department of Education meta-analysis of studies of sexual abuse AND MISCONDUCT. Some important notes about this:

- The DOE analysis includes public and private schools, and several of the incidents of misconduct cited are specifically Catholic clergy abusing children.
- The meta-analysis includes "misconduct", including, e.g., adult school employees saying inappropriate things (e.g. a dirty joke) unknowingly within the hearing of a student. If that's reported, it's included as sexual misconduct.

Of course, all sexual abuse and misconduct by anyone should be investigated and reported, but trying to use an analysis that includes both rape by priests as well as one adult making an inappropriate comment to another adult to claim that other organizations are as bad as the Catholic church, which as a matter of policy approved at the highest levels actively covered up priests raping children in their care, is very disingenuous.

People on this board claim anti-Catholic bias whenever this topic comes up, but the facts are what they are -- the church actively covered up abuse for at least 60 years, and leadership actively participated. For people like me who had no particular opinion about the Catholic church before learning about this, I'm baffled at folks defending this atrocity.

Where is the defense? I missed it.

you missed the guy claiming that the Catholic Church has a sterling child protection record and anyone claiming otherwise is just a guilty sinner?

Yep missed that one and all the other "folks" defending it. Struggling to find a single defense here. It's outrageous when a clergy member does this. It's outrageous every time it happens whether it's a teacher, coach, doctor, neighbor, or any other person. It's extra outrageous when it's a father, grandfather, or other close relative. You choose to be extra outraged only when it's a Catholic.

No, you choose to deflect blame by claiming it’s anti-Catholic.

I did? Where? Please quote the post you are attributing to me.

per you, nobody is allowed to comment on a Catholic priest sexual abuse case unless they also comment on other cases. this is a false construct you use to escape blame by deflecting. infuriating, but transparently obvious to everyone except you and your fellow paleo Catholics.

DP. I'm not Catholic so I have no dog in this fight. But you don't realize your obsessive hatred of Catholics--as evidenced in your obsessive posting about individual Catholic priests to the exclusion of all other sexual abusers--is alienating people who might otherwise agree with you about this particular priest or about general problems in the Catholic Church.

Your absolute failure to call out teachers and uncles, and your exclusive obsession with Catholics, translates to us understanding, very clearly, that you're a bigot.

And that's too bad. Because once we've written you off as a bigot--and you absolutely are a bigot--anything you post about important things (like this one particular priest) gets lost in the swirling cesspool of your bigotry and peoples' reactions to that.

This is truly a pitiful reaction. You really do believe you can strong-arm people into not criticizing the Catholic Church, don’t you?

I’m not Catholic. My concern is straight-up bigotry, like yours, that undermines the broader fight against pedophelia.

If you wanted to be taken seriously, you wouldn’t make everything about yourself and your bigotry. You also seem pretty defensive when you’re called out on it.

Help us fight pedophelia. Don’t be an attention-seeking a$$hat.

Oh give it up. There is NO “straight up bigotry” here unless you think the mere mention of a pedophile priest is bigoted. Go back and read the thread. OP posted the link, and then immediately the apologists started accusing OP of being anti-Catholic. Literally that is what happened - some people want to use false claimes of bigotry to shut up any discussion of Catholic abuse.

It’s the pattern of behavior going back years in this forum. So many people, including on this thread, have pointed this pattern out. You pretending it doesn’t exist won’t make the long pattern of bigotry go away.

You actually care about pedophelia, instead of just scoring points against Catholics? Then grow up and own your behavior.

There is no such pattern of behavior. DCUM always has posts on child abuse in the news - many threads on the Washington Hebrew Congregation, LAMB, etc. It’s only in your twisted mind that any mention of Catholic abuse is bigoted. Seriously step back and think about what you are trying to claim.

I mean, if you actually cared about pedophelia, you’d be aware of lots of other mire recent school incidents, locally not even nationally. The fact that all you can come up with is LAMB, where the sentence was handed out 5 years ago, pretty much proves the point about your narrow obsession.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not Catholic. I do think this is awful. But I also wonder if you’re equally as obsessive on the school and Family fora, or whether you bother to report on leaders from other faiths, every time there’s a news report about molestation.

This. The media and liberals seem to have an obsession with Catholics that do wrong. Protestants, Muslims, Jews - they all get a pass.

No, there’s plenty of coverage when an evangelical pastor is busted for gay s*x.

The media/popular attention is due to the fact that these guys are massive hypocrites. Trying to exert control over other people’s sexuality and reproduction, including through political influence, and meanwhile engaged in the most rank personal conduct. As for Catholics, there is plenty of evidence that the Catholic Church specifically has an abuse problem caused by the celibacy requirement and the type of people who are attracted to that, plus access to minors, and a culture of covering up abuse.

Kindly cite the “evidence” you claim allegedly linking celibacy to a propensity to commit sexual abuse.

As for “the type of people attracted to that,” people who engage in sexual activity with minors, or with anyone, by definition are not celibate.

The rate of sexual abuse by educators, police, foster parents, prison personnel, scouting and coaching personnel, and non-Catholic clergy vastly exceeds anything even alleged, let alone proven at any time against clergy in the Catholic Church. The rate in schools is estimated to be at least 100x that alleged against the Church. The vast majority of the persons committing such abuse are married/non-celibate.

Kindly cite the "evidence" for your assertion that non-catholic clergy abuse at a higher rate than catholic clergy

The assertion about non-Catholic educators is something that's kicking around hard-right, Christian nationalist circles. When they bother to cite any evidence, they all link back to a Pennsylvania state government cite that misquotes a Department of Education meta-analysis of studies of sexual abuse AND MISCONDUCT. Some important notes about this:

- The DOE analysis includes public and private schools, and several of the incidents of misconduct cited are specifically Catholic clergy abusing children.
- The meta-analysis includes "misconduct", including, e.g., adult school employees saying inappropriate things (e.g. a dirty joke) unknowingly within the hearing of a student. If that's reported, it's included as sexual misconduct.

Of course, all sexual abuse and misconduct by anyone should be investigated and reported, but trying to use an analysis that includes both rape by priests as well as one adult making an inappropriate comment to another adult to claim that other organizations are as bad as the Catholic church, which as a matter of policy approved at the highest levels actively covered up priests raping children in their care, is very disingenuous.

People on this board claim anti-Catholic bias whenever this topic comes up, but the facts are what they are -- the church actively covered up abuse for at least 60 years, and leadership actively participated. For people like me who had no particular opinion about the Catholic church before learning about this, I'm baffled at folks defending this atrocity.

Where is the defense? I missed it.

you missed the guy claiming that the Catholic Church has a sterling child protection record and anyone claiming otherwise is just a guilty sinner?

Yep missed that one and all the other "folks" defending it. Struggling to find a single defense here. It's outrageous when a clergy member does this. It's outrageous every time it happens whether it's a teacher, coach, doctor, neighbor, or any other person. It's extra outrageous when it's a father, grandfather, or other close relative. You choose to be extra outraged only when it's a Catholic.

No, you choose to deflect blame by claiming it’s anti-Catholic.

I did? Where? Please quote the post you are attributing to me.

per you, nobody is allowed to comment on a Catholic priest sexual abuse case unless they also comment on other cases. this is a false construct you use to escape blame by deflecting. infuriating, but transparently obvious to everyone except you and your fellow paleo Catholics.

DP. I'm not Catholic so I have no dog in this fight. But you don't realize your obsessive hatred of Catholics--as evidenced in your obsessive posting about individual Catholic priests to the exclusion of all other sexual abusers--is alienating people who might otherwise agree with you about this particular priest or about general problems in the Catholic Church.

Your absolute failure to call out teachers and uncles, and your exclusive obsession with Catholics, translates to us understanding, very clearly, that you're a bigot.

And that's too bad. Because once we've written you off as a bigot--and you absolutely are a bigot--anything you post about important things (like this one particular priest) gets lost in the swirling cesspool of your bigotry and peoples' reactions to that.

This is truly a pitiful reaction. You really do believe you can strong-arm people into not criticizing the Catholic Church, don’t you?

I’m not Catholic. My concern is straight-up bigotry, like yours, that undermines the broader fight against pedophelia.

If you wanted to be taken seriously, you wouldn’t make everything about yourself and your bigotry. You also seem pretty defensive when you’re called out on it.

Help us fight pedophelia. Don’t be an attention-seeking a$$hat.

Oh give it up. There is NO “straight up bigotry” here unless you think the mere mention of a pedophile priest is bigoted. Go back and read the thread. OP posted the link, and then immediately the apologists started accusing OP of being anti-Catholic. Literally that is what happened - some people want to use false claimes of bigotry to shut up any discussion of Catholic abuse.

It’s the pattern of behavior going back years in this forum. So many people, including on this thread, have pointed this pattern out. You pretending it doesn’t exist won’t make the long pattern of bigotry go away.

You actually care about pedophelia, instead of just scoring points against Catholics? Then grow up and own your behavior.

There is no such pattern of behavior. DCUM always has posts on child abuse in the news - many threads on the Washington Hebrew Congregation, LAMB, etc. It’s only in your twisted mind that any mention of Catholic abuse is bigoted. Seriously step back and think about what you are trying to claim.

I mean, if you actually cared about pedophelia, you’d be aware of lots of other mire recent school incidents, locally not even nationally. The fact that all you can come up with is LAMB, where the sentence was handed out 5 years ago, pretty much proves the point about your narrow obsession.

mmm hmm. tell me again about how you’re a child-protection advocate, obsessively trying to silence any discussion of Catholic abuse.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Even after McCormack’s first arrest in 2005 for sexual abuse, the Chicago archdiocese did not remove him from the ministry since those charges were dropped for a lack of evidence, the report says. An archdiocese review board recommended McCormack’s removal that year, but then-Cardinal Francis George declined”

This kind of behavior by the Catholic Church is not swiftly forgotten or remedied on an institutional level. It’s clear that the Church’s MO to protect/silence and put its reputation above protecting the vulnerable is deeply rooted - and apparent in those on this very thread trying to silence discharge with false accusations of bigotry.

https://apnews.com/article/catholic-clergy-sexual-abuse-illinois-investigation-a298133cec9486c2e51172316bfe7b4b

Another note: Did the venerable Cardinal face any consequences for protecting the pedophile priest? Of course not. He remained Cardinal and now they’re trying to canonize him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_George

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Interestingly the Catholic insitutions in Syraxuse just settled abuse claims for the second-largest settlement in the country:

https://www.syracuse.com/news/2023/07/syracuse-catholic-churches-schools-will-have-to-come-up-with-50-million-for-sex-abuse-scandal.html?outputType=amp

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Anonymous wrote:The problem here is that abuse in the Catholic Church is systemic. It runs far and wide and has negatively impacted thousands of people. For decades Church leaders suppressed the abuse and protected pedophiles, making an already terrible situation even worse. There is no comparable level of institutional and systemic abuse than what occurred (and what is still occurring) in the Catholic Church. Attempting somehow to equalize abuse in the Catholic Church with individual pedophiles or cases of abuse found in other religious/denominational settings (which are terrible in their own right) is disingenuous and a deflection.

You know very well there are systemic abuse and coverups in other religions and institutions. To claim otherwise is disengenuous and a deflection.

Is there another religion where the highest-level officials that protected pedophiles are now being nominated for the religion’s greatest posthumous honor? Let us know.

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I make no excuse for the way the Catholic Church handled the pedophile situation and, as a Catholic, I am angry that a small percentage of priests and bishops had such horrendous impact on the lives of so many people.

I need to note, though, that the organization that actually has a deeper and more systemic problem with this is the Boy Scouts of America. More than 82,000 victims have been recorded. I urge people to look up the information on this or, better yet, watch the new documentary on Netflix, Scouts Honor, which provides in-depth analysis of the problem and the litigation.

I know Catholic-bashing is a "THING" ON dcum, but there is plenty of evidence of widespread abuse by other groups including private schools, the Southern Baptist Convention, and strong Jewish communities who refuse to involve police authorities. If you're looking for groups to hate, you have quite a choice.

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Anonymous wrote:I make no excuse for the way the Catholic Church handled the pedophile situation and, as a Catholic, I am angry that a small percentage of priests and bishops had such horrendous impact on the lives of so many people.

I need to note, though, that the organization that actually has a deeper and more systemic problem with this is the Boy Scouts of America. More than 82,000 victims have been recorded. I urge people to look up the information on this or, better yet, watch the new documentary on Netflix, Scouts Honor, which provides in-depth analysis of the problem and the litigation.

I know Catholic-bashing is a "THING" ON dcum, but there is plenty of evidence of widespread abuse by other groups including private schools, the Southern Baptist Convention, and strong Jewish communities who refuse to involve police authorities. If you're looking for groups to hate, you have quite a choice.

did OP make a post about how child abuse only happens in the Catholic Church? I must have missed that. FWIW I have seen estimates of over 300,000 Church abuse victims. Not sure you actually want to go down that road.

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Anonymous wrote:I make no excuse for the way the Catholic Church handled the pedophile situation and, as a Catholic, I am angry that a small percentage of priests and bishops had such horrendous impact on the lives of so many people.

I need to note, though, that the organization that actually has a deeper and more systemic problem with this is the Boy Scouts of America. More than 82,000 victims have been recorded. I urge people to look up the information on this or, better yet, watch the new documentary on Netflix, Scouts Honor, which provides in-depth analysis of the problem and the litigation.

I know Catholic-bashing is a "THING" ON dcum, but there is plenty of evidence of widespread abuse by other groups including private schools, the Southern Baptist Convention, and strong Jewish communities who refuse to involve police authorities. If you're looking for groups to hate, you have quite a choice.

1. Posting an article about a Catholic priest arrested for sexual assault is not "Catholic-bashing".

2. The Catholic Church has been in existence for 1,900+ years longer than the Boy Scouts of America. Pretty sure the church has a "deeper and more systemic" problem than BSA. And countless more victims.

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Anonymous wrote:I make no excuse for the way the Catholic Church handled the pedophile situation and, as a Catholic, I am angry that a small percentage of priests and bishops had such horrendous impact on the lives of so many people.

I need to note, though, that the organization that actually has a deeper and more systemic problem with this is the Boy Scouts of America. More than 82,000 victims have been recorded. I urge people to look up the information on this or, better yet, watch the new documentary on Netflix, Scouts Honor, which provides in-depth analysis of the problem and the litigation.

I know Catholic-bashing is a "THING" ON dcum, but there is plenty of evidence of widespread abuse by other groups including private schools, the Southern Baptist Convention, and strong Jewish communities who refuse to involve police authorities. If you're looking for groups to hate, you have quite a choice.

1. Posting an article about a Catholic priest arrested for sexual assault is not "Catholic-bashing".

2. The Catholic Church has been in existence for 1,900+ years longer than the Boy Scouts of America. Pretty sure the church has a "deeper and more systemic" problem than BSA. And countless more victims.

The only reason this piece of news was posted here was so people can pick up where they left off last time airing their grievances with the Church. That is the point.

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Anonymous wrote:I make no excuse for the way the Catholic Church handled the pedophile situation and, as a Catholic, I am angry that a small percentage of priests and bishops had such horrendous impact on the lives of so many people.

I need to note, though, that the organization that actually has a deeper and more systemic problem with this is the Boy Scouts of America. More than 82,000 victims have been recorded. I urge people to look up the information on this or, better yet, watch the new documentary on Netflix, Scouts Honor, which provides in-depth analysis of the problem and the litigation.

I know Catholic-bashing is a "THING" ON dcum, but there is plenty of evidence of widespread abuse by other groups including private schools, the Southern Baptist Convention, and strong Jewish communities who refuse to involve police authorities. If you're looking for groups to hate, you have quite a choice.

1. Posting an article about a Catholic priest arrested for sexual assault is not "Catholic-bashing".

2. The Catholic Church has been in existence for 1,900+ years longer than the Boy Scouts of America. Pretty sure the church has a "deeper and more systemic" problem than BSA. And countless more victims.

The only reason this piece of news was posted here was so people can pick up where they left off last time airing their grievances with the Church. That is the point.

DP and not a Catholic.

Yep, when op starts threads about abuse in a synagogue in Syracuse or somewhere equally distant, I’ll believe they’re serious about stamping out pedophilia.

Until then, there’s a definite pattern of anti-Catholic bigotry, and linking it to pedophilia is a socially-acceptable way of being a bigot—until people see your pattern.

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Anonymous wrote:Pedophile apologists are gross... just stop, please.

Some of us have personal reasons to be concerned about pedophelia. That’s precisely why we believe your behavior is so damaging: you’re identifying yourself as a bigot and, by doing so, you’re making everything about yourself and your bigotry instead of about the pedophelia.

Perhaps you don’t want news like this to be overshadowed by people’s’ perceptions that you’re an attention-seeking bigot. If you’re sincere, you’d start weekly posts in DCUM’s schools fora about the latest pedophile teachers in Des Moines and Syracuse. Without that, we understand that you’re just a run-of-the-mill bigot who uses news like this to stir up online attention to yourself.

The bigot is NOT the one denouncing pedophila in the church... Take a look in the mirror - it's clearly you.

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Anonymous wrote:Pedophile apologists are gross... just stop, please.

Some of us have personal reasons to be concerned about pedophelia. That’s precisely why we believe your behavior is so damaging: you’re identifying yourself as a bigot and, by doing so, you’re making everything about yourself and your bigotry instead of about the pedophelia.

Perhaps you don’t want news like this to be overshadowed by people’s’ perceptions that you’re an attention-seeking bigot. If you’re sincere, you’d start weekly posts in DCUM’s schools fora about the latest pedophile teachers in Des Moines and Syracuse. Without that, we understand that you’re just a run-of-the-mill bigot who uses news like this to stir up online attention to yourself.

The bigot is NOT the one denouncing pedophila in the church... Take a look in the mirror - it's clearly you.

Why are you pointing out "in the church" is pedophilia accepted elsewhere? Why does the location or religious leaning interest you so very much? Don't you denounce pedophilia wherever it occurs?

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Anonymous wrote:Pedophile apologists are gross... just stop, please.

Some of us have personal reasons to be concerned about pedophelia. That’s precisely why we believe your behavior is so damaging: you’re identifying yourself as a bigot and, by doing so, you’re making everything about yourself and your bigotry instead of about the pedophelia.

Perhaps you don’t want news like this to be overshadowed by people’s’ perceptions that you’re an attention-seeking bigot. If you’re sincere, you’d start weekly posts in DCUM’s schools fora about the latest pedophile teachers in Des Moines and Syracuse. Without that, we understand that you’re just a run-of-the-mill bigot who uses news like this to stir up online attention to yourself.

The bigot is NOT the one denouncing pedophila in the church... Take a look in the mirror - it's clearly you.

Why are you pointing out "in the church" is pedophilia accepted elsewhere? Why does the location or religious leaning interest you so very much? Don't you denounce pedophilia wherever it occurs?

Certainly, but that's not what this thread is about? This thread is about a CATHOLIC PRIEST WHO ABUSED CHILDREN. Do you need assistance keeping your threads clear?

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Anonymous wrote:Pedophile apologists are gross... just stop, please.

Some of us have personal reasons to be concerned about pedophelia. That’s precisely why we believe your behavior is so damaging: you’re identifying yourself as a bigot and, by doing so, you’re making everything about yourself and your bigotry instead of about the pedophelia.

Perhaps you don’t want news like this to be overshadowed by people’s’ perceptions that you’re an attention-seeking bigot. If you’re sincere, you’d start weekly posts in DCUM’s schools fora about the latest pedophile teachers in Des Moines and Syracuse. Without that, we understand that you’re just a run-of-the-mill bigot who uses news like this to stir up online attention to yourself.

The bigot is NOT the one denouncing pedophila in the church... Take a look in the mirror - it's clearly you.

Why are you pointing out "in the church" is pedophilia accepted elsewhere? Why does the location or religious leaning interest you so very much? Don't you denounce pedophilia wherever it occurs?

Certainly, but that's not what this thread is about? This thread is about a CATHOLIC PRIEST WHO ABUSED CHILDREN. Do you need assistance keeping your threads clear?

Ok, do you denounce teachers when one is arrested for pedophilia? Down with teachers?

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Anonymous wrote:I make no excuse for the way the Catholic Church handled the pedophile situation and, as a Catholic, I am angry that a small percentage of priests and bishops had such horrendous impact on the lives of so many people.

I need to note, though, that the organization that actually has a deeper and more systemic problem with this is the Boy Scouts of America. More than 82,000 victims have been recorded. I urge people to look up the information on this or, better yet, watch the new documentary on Netflix, Scouts Honor, which provides in-depth analysis of the problem and the litigation.

I know Catholic-bashing is a "THING" ON dcum, but there is plenty of evidence of widespread abuse by other groups including private schools, the Southern Baptist Convention, and strong Jewish communities who refuse to involve police authorities. If you're looking for groups to hate, you have quite a choice.

1. Posting an article about a Catholic priest arrested for sexual assault is not "Catholic-bashing".

2. The Catholic Church has been in existence for 1,900+ years longer than the Boy Scouts of America. Pretty sure the church has a "deeper and more systemic" problem than BSA. And countless more victims.

The only reason this piece of news was posted here was so people can pick up where they left off last time airing their grievances with the Church. That is the point.

Is that actually what you think?