Another priest arrested

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do people allow priests to get that close to their family? Maintain a healthy distance and teach kids that anyone can be a predator and this stuff would happen less.

Why do people let uncles and grandfathers in their house?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not Catholic. I do think this is awful. But I also wonder if you’re equally as obsessive on the school and Family fora, or whether you bother to report on leaders from other faiths, every time there’s a news report about molestation.

Of course but it is done in the school forum.

You think a teacher molests somebody and it doesn't make it in the paper and is not discussed on DCUM?

Are you daft?

About local schools. Not about schools in Syracuse and across the country.

Are you daft?

Is your head in the sand?

Northwestern, Michigan, OSU, Penn state… women’s gymnastics… me too movement

You might want to get a check up from the neck up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not Catholic. I do think this is awful. But I also wonder if you’re equally as obsessive on the school and Family fora, or whether you bother to report on leaders from other faiths, every time there’s a news report about molestation.

Of course but it is done in the school forum.

You think a teacher molests somebody and it doesn't make it in the paper and is not discussed on DCUM?

Are you daft?

About local schools. Not about schools in Syracuse and across the country.

Are you daft?

Is your head in the sand?

Northwestern, Michigan, OSU, Penn state… women’s gymnastics… me too movement

You might want to get a check up from the neck up

There are so many more than just this handful of incidents. But they don't get the weekly DCUM treatment from you.

Clearly this thread isn't going as you hoped. The giveaway: your straight-up nastiness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not Catholic. I do think this is awful. But I also wonder if you’re equally as obsessive on the school and Family fora, or whether you bother to report on leaders from other faiths, every time there’s a news report about molestation.

This. The media and liberals seem to have an obsession with Catholics that do wrong. Protestants, Muslims, Jews - they all get a pass.

No, there’s plenty of coverage when an evangelical pastor is busted for gay s*x.

The media/popular attention is due to the fact that these guys are massive hypocrites. Trying to exert control over other people’s sexuality and reproduction, including through political influence, and meanwhile engaged in the most rank personal conduct. As for Catholics, there is plenty of evidence that the Catholic Church specifically has an abuse problem caused by the celibacy requirement and the type of people who are attracted to that, plus access to minors, and a culture of covering up abuse.

Kindly cite the “evidence” you claim allegedly linking celibacy to a propensity to commit sexual abuse.

As for “the type of people attracted to that,” people who engage in sexual activity with minors, or with anyone, by definition are not celibate.

The rate of sexual abuse by educators, police, foster parents, prison personnel, scouting and coaching personnel, and non-Catholic clergy vastly exceeds anything even alleged, let alone proven at any time against clergy in the Catholic Church. The rate in schools is estimated to be at least 100x that alleged against the Church. The vast majority of the persons committing such abuse are married/non-celibate.

Kindly cite the "evidence" for your assertion that non-catholic clergy abuse at a higher rate than catholic clergy

You can start here.

https://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not Catholic. I do think this is awful. But I also wonder if you’re equally as obsessive on the school and Family fora, or whether you bother to report on leaders from other faiths, every time there’s a news report about molestation.

Of course but it is done in the school forum.

You think a teacher molests somebody and it doesn't make it in the paper and is not discussed on DCUM?

Are you daft?

About local schools. Not about schools in Syracuse and across the country.

Are you daft?

Is your head in the sand?

Northwestern, Michigan, OSU, Penn state… women’s gymnastics… me too movement

You might want to get a check up from the neck up

There are so many more than just this handful of incidents. But they don't get the weekly DCUM treatment from you.

Clearly this thread isn't going as you hoped. The giveaway: your straight-up nastiness.

Yes they do just not under religion.

Their are thousands of posts about the subjects mentioned

[Anonymous]

When you have taken the side of defending the Catholic Church on this issue, particularly by use of “whataboutism”, when this topic has literally been litigated multiple times against the church, then you have no moral, legal or ethical ground to stand on.

It’s shocking to me people even bother to try. It’s a bad look.

I would recommend defending by taking responsibility and talking about efforts to change it from within.

Or maybe not responding at all.

[Anonymous]

LOL @ people defending pedophile priests.

How terrible your life must be that you don't care about thousands of abused children at the hands of catholic priests. Disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL @ people defending pedophile priests.

How terrible your life must be that you don't care about thousands of abused children at the hands of catholic priests. Disgusting.

Abused children by the hands of men. Men of all professions even family members abuse children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL @ people defending pedophile priests.

How terrible your life must be that you don't care about thousands of abused children at the hands of catholic priests. Disgusting.

This is such nonsense. I don’t know of a single Catholic that is or was not completely outraged by the abuse by clergy of (primarily) young boys. The cover up was even worse. The underlying enthusiasm by people posting about these issues seem to derive from the differences with the church teachings on social issues. You can see it in some of the posts above how they pivot from abuse to their differences with church doctrine. Fine. We get it. Doctrine is not going to change. Get rid of sexually deviant priests who seek shelter (and have been for generations now) in the Church and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When you have taken the side of defending the Catholic Church on this issue, particularly by use of “whataboutism”, when this topic has literally been litigated multiple times against the church, then you have no moral, legal or ethical ground to stand on.

It’s shocking to me people even bother to try. It’s a bad look.

I would recommend defending by taking responsibility and talking about efforts to change it from within.

Or maybe not responding at all.

Sorry if being told you’re wrong hurts your feelings. The cases against the Church in fact have rarely if ever been litigated. The Church is targeted as a deep pocket by people who make their very comfortable living advancing such claims. The Church pays because, unlike public entities, it is not protected by sovereign immunity or in most cases by damages caps.

As for “efforts to change it from within,” if you had “a moral, ethical or legal ground to stand on,” you’d know that the Catholic Church is the standard setter in child protection practices and has been for quite some time. By way of example, the individual who is the subject of this thread, in addition to being turned over to the police with full cooperation by the relevant diocese in terms of providing access to electronic devices and the like, is already suspended and forbidden to hold himself out or function as a priest (based on allegations alone) and will almost certainly be laicized (fired from the priesthood), very likely even before the criminal proceedings against him have run their course.

Sexual abuse cases are anything but unique to the Catholic Church. What is unique is the level of calumny they generate against an entire religion based on the actions of a few wrongdoers. The motive is obvious, as at least one post in this thread makes clear. People who are uncomfortable about the morality of their own behavior are offended by Church teaching because it makes them feel guilty. By attacking the Church they seek to silence their own inner accusations. It doesn’t work but they keep trying. People without a personal axe to grind don’t feel compelled to attack a millennia old faith and its billions of adherents based on alleged misconduct by a few. I regularly violate the dietary laws of several faiths. I don’t feel guilty at all, because I don’t believe in those laws. Accordingly, I feel no urge to attack either the laws or their adherents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When you have taken the side of defending the Catholic Church on this issue, particularly by use of “whataboutism”, when this topic has literally been litigated multiple times against the church, then you have no moral, legal or ethical ground to stand on.

It’s shocking to me people even bother to try. It’s a bad look.

I would recommend defending by taking responsibility and talking about efforts to change it from within.

Or maybe not responding at all.

Sorry if being told you’re wrong hurts your feelings. The cases against the Church in fact have rarely if ever been litigated. The Church is targeted as a deep pocket by people who make their very comfortable living advancing such claims. The Church pays because, unlike public entities, it is not protected by sovereign immunity or in most cases by damages caps.

As for “efforts to change it from within,” if you had “a moral, ethical or legal ground to stand on,” you’d know that the Catholic Church is the standard setter in child protection practices and has been for quite some time. By way of example, the individual who is the subject of this thread, in addition to being turned over to the police with full cooperation by the relevant diocese in terms of providing access to electronic devices and the like, is already suspended and forbidden to hold himself out or function as a priest (based on allegations alone) and will almost certainly be laicized (fired from the priesthood), very likely even before the criminal proceedings against him have run their course.

Sexual abuse cases are anything but unique to the Catholic Church. What is unique is the level of calumny they generate against an entire religion based on the actions of a few wrongdoers. The motive is obvious, as at least one post in this thread makes clear. People who are uncomfortable about the morality of their own behavior are offended by Church teaching because it makes them feel guilty. By attacking the Church they seek to silence their own inner accusations. It doesn’t work but they keep trying. People without a personal axe to grind don’t feel compelled to attack a millennia old faith and its billions of adherents based on alleged misconduct by a few. I regularly violate the dietary laws of several faiths. I don’t feel guilty at all, because I don’t believe in those laws. Accordingly, I feel no urge to attack either the laws or their adherents.

Bless your heart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not Catholic. I do think this is awful. But I also wonder if you’re equally as obsessive on the school and Family fora, or whether you bother to report on leaders from other faiths, every time there’s a news report about molestation.

This. The media and liberals seem to have an obsession with Catholics that do wrong. Protestants, Muslims, Jews - they all get a pass.

No, there’s plenty of coverage when an evangelical pastor is busted for gay s*x.

The media/popular attention is due to the fact that these guys are massive hypocrites. Trying to exert control over other people’s sexuality and reproduction, including through political influence, and meanwhile engaged in the most rank personal conduct. As for Catholics, there is plenty of evidence that the Catholic Church specifically has an abuse problem caused by the celibacy requirement and the type of people who are attracted to that, plus access to minors, and a culture of covering up abuse.

No, it's very rare you see an evangelical pastor, rabbi or imam called out here for sexual abuse, even though it's reported in the press. You have an obsessive hatred of Catholics. The rest of us read the news articles and feel bad, but we don't feel compelled to run to a mom's website to trash another entire religion.

The catholic church covered up decades and decades of abuse AS AN INSTITUTION. I am a former catholic and grew up in a town in Massachusetts where one of the offending priests was sent after there were accusations about his behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL @ people defending pedophile priests.

How terrible your life must be that you don't care about thousands of abused children at the hands of catholic priests. Disgusting.

This is such nonsense. I don’t know of a single Catholic that is or was not completely outraged by the abuse by clergy of (primarily) young boys. The cover up was even worse. The underlying enthusiasm by people posting about these issues seem to derive from the differences with the church teachings on social issues. You can see it in some of the posts above how they pivot from abuse to their differences with church doctrine. Fine. We get it. Doctrine is not going to change. Get rid of sexually deviant priests who seek shelter (and have been for generations now) in the Church and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

I dont GAF about doctrine, I care about an institution that has participated in sexual abuse of children. I care about an institution who gaslit and lied to victims. I care about an institution who knowingly transferred pedophiles from one area to another, further victimizing children. I care about an institution who actively hid, protected and cared more about pedophiles than children in their flock.

There is no defense here. This is an awful institution, and their history of raping children should not be forgotten or glossed over because it happens in other institutions as well. Feebly trying to defend these rapists is really just making the whole church and its followers look even worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not Catholic. I do think this is awful. But I also wonder if you’re equally as obsessive on the school and Family fora, or whether you bother to report on leaders from other faiths, every time there’s a news report about molestation.

This. The media and liberals seem to have an obsession with Catholics that do wrong. Protestants, Muslims, Jews - they all get a pass.

No, there’s plenty of coverage when an evangelical pastor is busted for gay s*x.

The media/popular attention is due to the fact that these guys are massive hypocrites. Trying to exert control over other people’s sexuality and reproduction, including through political influence, and meanwhile engaged in the most rank personal conduct. As for Catholics, there is plenty of evidence that the Catholic Church specifically has an abuse problem caused by the celibacy requirement and the type of people who are attracted to that, plus access to minors, and a culture of covering up abuse.

Kindly cite the “evidence” you claim allegedly linking celibacy to a propensity to commit sexual abuse.

As for “the type of people attracted to that,” people who engage in sexual activity with minors, or with anyone, by definition are not celibate.

The rate of sexual abuse by educators, police, foster parents, prison personnel, scouting and coaching personnel, and non-Catholic clergy vastly exceeds anything even alleged, let alone proven at any time against clergy in the Catholic Church. The rate in schools is estimated to be at least 100x that alleged against the Church. The vast majority of the persons committing such abuse are married/non-celibate.

Kindly cite the "evidence" for your assertion that non-catholic clergy abuse at a higher rate than catholic clergy

The assertion about non-Catholic educators is something that's kicking around hard-right, Christian nationalist circles. When they bother to cite any evidence, they all link back to a Pennsylvania state government cite that misquotes a Department of Education meta-analysis of studies of sexual abuse AND MISCONDUCT. Some important notes about this:

- The DOE analysis includes public and private schools, and several of the incidents of misconduct cited are specifically Catholic clergy abusing children.
- The meta-analysis includes "misconduct", including, e.g., adult school employees saying inappropriate things (e.g. a dirty joke) unknowingly within the hearing of a student. If that's reported, it's included as sexual misconduct.

Of course, all sexual abuse and misconduct by anyone should be investigated and reported, but trying to use an analysis that includes both rape by priests as well as one adult making an inappropriate comment to another adult to claim that other organizations are as bad as the Catholic church, which as a matter of policy approved at the highest levels actively covered up priests raping children in their care, is very disingenuous.

People on this board claim anti-Catholic bias whenever this topic comes up, but the facts are what they are -- the church actively covered up abuse for at least 60 years, and leadership actively participated. For people like me who had no particular opinion about the Catholic church before learning about this, I'm baffled at folks defending this atrocity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not Catholic. I do think this is awful. But I also wonder if you’re equally as obsessive on the school and Family fora, or whether you bother to report on leaders from other faiths, every time there’s a news report about molestation.

This. The media and liberals seem to have an obsession with Catholics that do wrong. Protestants, Muslims, Jews - they all get a pass.

No, there’s plenty of coverage when an evangelical pastor is busted for gay s*x.

The media/popular attention is due to the fact that these guys are massive hypocrites. Trying to exert control over other people’s sexuality and reproduction, including through political influence, and meanwhile engaged in the most rank personal conduct. As for Catholics, there is plenty of evidence that the Catholic Church specifically has an abuse problem caused by the celibacy requirement and the type of people who are attracted to that, plus access to minors, and a culture of covering up abuse.

Kindly cite the “evidence” you claim allegedly linking celibacy to a propensity to commit sexual abuse.

As for “the type of people attracted to that,” people who engage in sexual activity with minors, or with anyone, by definition are not celibate.

The rate of sexual abuse by educators, police, foster parents, prison personnel, scouting and coaching personnel, and non-Catholic clergy vastly exceeds anything even alleged, let alone proven at any time against clergy in the Catholic Church. The rate in schools is estimated to be at least 100x that alleged against the Church. The vast majority of the persons committing such abuse are married/non-celibate.

Kindly cite the "evidence" for your assertion that non-catholic clergy abuse at a higher rate than catholic clergy

The assertion about non-Catholic educators is something that's kicking around hard-right, Christian nationalist circles. When they bother to cite any evidence, they all link back to a Pennsylvania state government cite that misquotes a Department of Education meta-analysis of studies of sexual abuse AND MISCONDUCT. Some important notes about this:

- The DOE analysis includes public and private schools, and several of the incidents of misconduct cited are specifically Catholic clergy abusing children.
- The meta-analysis includes "misconduct", including, e.g., adult school employees saying inappropriate things (e.g. a dirty joke) unknowingly within the hearing of a student. If that's reported, it's included as sexual misconduct.

Of course, all sexual abuse and misconduct by anyone should be investigated and reported, but trying to use an analysis that includes both rape by priests as well as one adult making an inappropriate comment to another adult to claim that other organizations are as bad as the Catholic church, which as a matter of policy approved at the highest levels actively covered up priests raping children in their care, is very disingenuous.

People on this board claim anti-Catholic bias whenever this topic comes up, but the facts are what they are -- the church actively covered up abuse for at least 60 years, and leadership actively participated. For people like me who had no particular opinion about the Catholic church before learning about this, I'm baffled at folks defending this atrocity.

Where is the defense? I missed it.