Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate

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Anonymous wrote:Swarthmore should be grouped with Williams and Amherst. All three should probably be in your group 2. Pomona could stay too but I'd probably swap it and Swarthmore. Pomona is a close call. Amherst, Williams, and Swarthmore are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked #1 multiple times and none has ever been lower than 4 (Pomona has been 7 and 8 at different points though it has been on the rise, especially since it is the best western LAC).

I'd add a group 0 at the top that is just Harvard and Stanford. Their undergrad and grad programs are excellent in pretty much every department and school, which isn't the case with even Yale and MIT.

Group 1 should just be Yale, MIT, Princeton, and Caltech. Move the rest of group 1 to group 2.

I agree Duke, Chicago, Hopkins, Northwestern and Penn don't belong in the top group. They are great but there is a bit of a gap.
I agree with adding Swarthmore to 2 as well. I also think Smith, another excellent 7 Sisters women's college with a fabulous alumni network and big endowment, should be in 3 (yes, below Wellesley but above Barnard).

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Anonymous wrote:Swarthmore should be grouped with Williams and Amherst. All three should probably be in your group 2. Pomona could stay too but I'd probably swap it and Swarthmore. Pomona is a close call. Amherst, Williams, and Swarthmore are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked #1 multiple times and none has ever been lower than 4 (Pomona has been 7 and 8 at different points though it has been on the rise, especially since it is the best western LAC).

I'd add a group 0 at the top that is just Harvard and Stanford. Their undergrad and grad programs are excellent in pretty much every department and school, which isn't the case with even Yale and MIT.

Group 1 should just be Yale, MIT, Princeton, and Caltech. Move the rest of group 1 to group 2.

I agree Duke, Chicago, Hopkins, Northwestern and Penn don't belong in the top group. They are great but there is a bit of a gap.
I agree with adding Swarthmore to 2 as well. I also think Smith, another excellent 7 Sisters women's college with a fabulous alumni network and big endowment, should be in 3 (yes, below Wellesley but above Barnard).

Barnard seems out of place. Isn’t it ranked #18 in the SLAC list? Like the equivalent of Colgate or something?

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Anonymous wrote:Swarthmore should be grouped with Williams and Amherst. All three should probably be in your group 2. Pomona could stay too but I'd probably swap it and Swarthmore. Pomona is a close call. Amherst, Williams, and Swarthmore are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked #1 multiple times and none has ever been lower than 4 (Pomona has been 7 and 8 at different points though it has been on the rise, especially since it is the best western LAC).

I'd add a group 0 at the top that is just Harvard and Stanford. Their undergrad and grad programs are excellent in pretty much every department and school, which isn't the case with even Yale and MIT.

Group 1 should just be Yale, MIT, Princeton, and Caltech. Move the rest of group 1 to group 2.

I agree Duke, Chicago, Hopkins, Northwestern and Penn don't belong in the top group. They are great but there is a bit of a gap.
I agree with adding Swarthmore to 2 as well. I also think Smith, another excellent 7 Sisters women's college with a fabulous alumni network and big endowment, should be in 3 (yes, below Wellesley but above Barnard).

Barnard seems out of place. Isn’t it ranked #18 in the SLAC list? Like the equivalent of Colgate or something?

It has very good name recognition as a 7 Sister and is affiliated with Columbia. It is probably the #3 women's college after Wellesley and Smith.

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Anonymous wrote:Swarthmore should be grouped with Williams and Amherst. All three should probably be in your group 2. Pomona could stay too but I'd probably swap it and Swarthmore. Pomona is a close call. Amherst, Williams, and Swarthmore are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked #1 multiple times and none has ever been lower than 4 (Pomona has been 7 and 8 at different points though it has been on the rise, especially since it is the best western LAC).

I'd add a group 0 at the top that is just Harvard and Stanford. Their undergrad and grad programs are excellent in pretty much every department and school, which isn't the case with even Yale and MIT.

Group 1 should just be Yale, MIT, Princeton, and Caltech. Move the rest of group 1 to group 2.

I agree Duke, Chicago, Hopkins, Northwestern and Penn don't belong in the top group. They are great but there is a bit of a gap.
I agree with adding Swarthmore to 2 as well. I also think Smith, another excellent 7 Sisters women's college with a fabulous alumni network and big endowment, should be in 3 (yes, below Wellesley but above Barnard).

Duke, Chicago, Hopkins are better than the schools in group 2. I can kind of agree about Swarthmore, but in modern times what high earning field does Swarthmore have really good placement in?

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Anonymous wrote:Swarthmore should be grouped with Williams and Amherst. All three should probably be in your group 2. Pomona could stay too but I'd probably swap it and Swarthmore. Pomona is a close call. Amherst, Williams, and Swarthmore are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked #1 multiple times and none has ever been lower than 4 (Pomona has been 7 and 8 at different points though it has been on the rise, especially since it is the best western LAC).

I'd add a group 0 at the top that is just Harvard and Stanford. Their undergrad and grad programs are excellent in pretty much every department and school, which isn't the case with even Yale and MIT.

Group 1 should just be Yale, MIT, Princeton, and Caltech. Move the rest of group 1 to group 2.

I agree Duke, Chicago, Hopkins, Northwestern and Penn don't belong in the top group. They are great but there is a bit of a gap.
I agree with adding Swarthmore to 2 as well. I also think Smith, another excellent 7 Sisters women's college with a fabulous alumni network and big endowment, should be in 3 (yes, below Wellesley but above Barnard).

Smith is ranked a bit higher but much easier ro get into which affects perceptions of prestige more.

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Anonymous wrote:First the Top 10.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Stanford University
University of Chicago
Johns Hopkins University
California Institute of Technology
Duke University
Northwestern University
Vanderbilt University
Rice University
Washington University in St. Louis

The next 10.
University of Notre Dame
UC Berkeley
UCLA
Carnegie Melon University
Emory University
Georgetown University
New York University
University of Michigan Ann-Arbor
University of Southern California
University of Virginia

Did I miss any worthy top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools?

UNC

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You are basically saying what's Top 25, and there's not much debate except for a school like UVA

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Anonymous wrote:Cornell

It’s Ivy so not in list

Funny thing is, if it were not in the Ivy Athletic Conference, it still wouldn't be on the list.

That is exactly what “Ivy” is so…

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown is missing, OP. The only school that REQUIRES all standardized tests ever sat for (no superscoring, not test optional). It is very hard to get into and the percentages listed would be even lower for admits % because they aren't on the common app and requiring test scores also limits the # of students applying. It is much harder to get into than the 11%.

^from the top 10 non-Ivy

They're in the second group

Their International Relations program is in the first group. It’s #1 in that field.

I mean, Dakota State is top in cybersecurity. Still not a top 25.

You are an idiot. Georgetown has long been considered in the same breath as the other top non-ivies--Duke, JHU, etc. We know there is a poster on here who starts entire threads bashing it every chance they get.

No, there isn't. grow up

There actually is. Pay attention.

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Anonymous wrote:I would put Carnegie Mellon on the same level as Caltech, maybe even higher. Ask any tech employer if you don't believe me.

Not even close.

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GDS is by far the best non-Ivy.

LOL I'm sure they'd agree with you!

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I love the way people slip their kids college into the list, hoping nobody would notice.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown is missing, OP. The only school that REQUIRES all standardized tests ever sat for (no superscoring, not test optional). It is very hard to get into and the percentages listed would be even lower for admits % because they aren't on the common app and requiring test scores also limits the # of students applying. It is much harder to get into than the 11%.

^from the top 10 non-Ivy

They're in the second group

Their International Relations program is in the first group. It’s #1 in that field.

I mean, Dakota State is top in cybersecurity. Still not a top 25.

You are an idiot. Georgetown has long been considered in the same breath as the other top non-ivies--Duke, JHU, etc. We know there is a poster on here who starts entire threads bashing it every chance they get.

No, there isn't. grow up

There actually is. Pay attention.

No there isn't. There are boosters who want to talk about how Georgetown requires more test scores than other schools, but there is no person bashing it.