Swim Team Drama

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Anonymous wrote:We had a drama free season because the family who causes all the drama was kicked out of the pool last year.

Is this the woman trying to sue?

Sue? I love this. The saga continues ……what is she suing for? Are lawyers involved! Awesome!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Now that the season is over with all stars remaining, what kind of drama did you have this summer with your swim team?

We had parents very upset that times from the last B meet were not used for the Divisional lineups. The divisional lineup was already set before the last B Meet.

If that was the case then parents and swimmers should have been informed of this ahead of time. It seem odd that B meet times all count, but that one doesn't. Sure it cuts it close but there is still time.

B times count for A meets, but only A meets count for Divisionals.

Depends on your team and your league. NVSL has no rules on what times can be used for divisional entries. Teams can enter a kid in an event without a time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Now that the season is over with all stars remaining, what kind of drama did you have this summer with your swim team?

We had parents very upset that times from the last B meet were not used for the Divisional lineups. The divisional lineup was already set before the last B Meet.

If that was the case then parents and swimmers should have been informed of this ahead of time. It seem odd that B meet times all count, but that one doesn't. Sure it cuts it close but there is still time.

B times count for A meets, but only A meets count for Divisionals.

Depends on your team and your league. NVSL has no rules on what times can be used for divisional entries. Teams can enter a kid in an event without a time.

You can enter a kid without a time but for seeding purposes you must use an A meet time.

[Anonymous]

This is the year I realized that summer swim is a joke, and that it’s more of a cult than a competitive swim team: favoritism, nepotism, and manipulating kids to act out their parent’s aggression toward other parents who dare to question things. Glad we are basically done with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now that the season is over with all stars remaining, what kind of drama did you have this summer with your swim team?

We had parents very upset that times from the last B meet were not used for the Divisional lineups. The divisional lineup was already set before the last B Meet.

If that was the case then parents and swimmers should have been informed of this ahead of time. It seem odd that B meet times all count, but that one doesn't. Sure it cuts it close but there is still time.

B times count for A meets, but only A meets count for Divisionals.

Depends on your team and your league. NVSL has no rules on what times can be used for divisional entries. Teams can enter a kid in an event without a time.

You can enter a kid without a time but for seeding purposes you must use an A meet time.

This is just not true. Our coaches used B meet times for Divisionals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now that the season is over with all stars remaining, what kind of drama did you have this summer with your swim team?

We had parents very upset that times from the last B meet were not used for the Divisional lineups. The divisional lineup was already set before the last B Meet.

If that was the case then parents and swimmers should have been informed of this ahead of time. It seem odd that B meet times all count, but that one doesn't. Sure it cuts it close but there is still time.

B times count for A meets, but only A meets count for Divisionals.

Depends on your team and your league. NVSL has no rules on what times can be used for divisional entries. Teams can enter a kid in an event without a time.

You can enter a kid without a time but for seeding purposes you must use an A meet time.

Then how do kids get IM entries?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. This makes me really glad I’m not at some of your pools. Our mcsl pool is a lovely experience with everyone pitching in and the high schools coaches are phenomenal with the kids.

Ha, same here. I wonder if I'm just oblivious to the drama or if my pool was drama free. As far as I could tell, it was all around great swim season, great coaching and nearly all of the kids enjoyed it. There are a few parents who take swimming way too seriously, but I tune that part out mostly.

Ha! Same here.

My kid enjoyed summer swim so much that we decided to try out for year round club swim. THAT was the first time I saw parents going insane. There were kids crying and it felt like another world. Maybe it was because nobody knew each other so there’s no social pressure to have a filter? Or maybe all those parents at tryouts belong to drama filled summer teams?

Without a doubt the parents who take swimming too seriously are also a part of the year round swim. However, my kid still enjoys the indoor swimming and I like working at those meets but it is a different vibe than summer for sure.

I actually find the year round meets much more relaxed. I think it's because kids get to swim all their events in every meet. In summer swim, kids can get bumped from "their" event by a friend or their coach can randomly put them in an event they'd rather not swim and are the #3 seed behind two teammates instead of in an event they could have won. That dynamic is a recipe for drama that you don't have in winter.

Agree winter swim seems much more focused on swimming and the structure (with kids picking their events and clear criteria for meets) just seems less drama inducing. Plus it is less social for parents with more reasonable volunteer requirements), which also cuts down on the drama. My family all decided we didn't like the drama of summer swim so now skip it but still do winter swim.

What do you all think High School swimming is going to be like? It's the same scenario. As are college meets. The coach puts the best line up in that they can. Sorry if that means your kid sits out or swims events they don't like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now that the season is over with all stars remaining, what kind of drama did you have this summer with your swim team?

We had parents very upset that times from the last B meet were not used for the Divisional lineups. The divisional lineup was already set before the last B Meet.

If that was the case then parents and swimmers should have been informed of this ahead of time. It seem odd that B meet times all count, but that one doesn't. Sure it cuts it close but there is still time.

B times count for A meets, but only A meets count for Divisionals.

Depends on your team and your league. NVSL has no rules on what times can be used for divisional entries. Teams can enter a kid in an event without a time.

You can enter a kid without a time but for seeding purposes you must use an A meet time.

This is just not true. Our coaches used B meet times for Divisionals.

Might be different by league. Coaches can certainly pick the line up based on B meet times (if they choose and schedule allows), but MCSL requires a current season A meet time or NT in Divisional heat sheet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had a drama free season because the family who causes all the drama was kicked out of the pool last year.

Is this the woman trying to sue?

Sue? I love this. The saga continues ……what is she suing for? Are lawyers involved! Awesome!!!

They are suing but managed to get into a highly ranked pool so seem to have let the suit fester all summer. You can look it up in Civil Court filings. It's like they tried to call the pool's bluff this spring and that didn't work out so they had to go forward with it. That's when things got sent to the whole membership, since it's the pool as an entity that's being sued.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. This makes me really glad I’m not at some of your pools. Our mcsl pool is a lovely experience with everyone pitching in and the high schools coaches are phenomenal with the kids.

Ha, same here. I wonder if I'm just oblivious to the drama or if my pool was drama free. As far as I could tell, it was all around great swim season, great coaching and nearly all of the kids enjoyed it. There are a few parents who take swimming way too seriously, but I tune that part out mostly.

Ha! Same here.

My kid enjoyed summer swim so much that we decided to try out for year round club swim. THAT was the first time I saw parents going insane. There were kids crying and it felt like another world. Maybe it was because nobody knew each other so there’s no social pressure to have a filter? Or maybe all those parents at tryouts belong to drama filled summer teams?

Without a doubt the parents who take swimming too seriously are also a part of the year round swim. However, my kid still enjoys the indoor swimming and I like working at those meets but it is a different vibe than summer for sure.

I actually find the year round meets much more relaxed. I think it's because kids get to swim all their events in every meet. In summer swim, kids can get bumped from "their" event by a friend or their coach can randomly put them in an event they'd rather not swim and are the #3 seed behind two teammates instead of in an event they could have won. That dynamic is a recipe for drama that you don't have in winter.

Agree winter swim seems much more focused on swimming and the structure (with kids picking their events and clear criteria for meets) just seems less drama inducing. Plus it is less social for parents with more reasonable volunteer requirements), which also cuts down on the drama. My family all decided we didn't like the drama of summer swim so now skip it but still do winter swim.

What do you all think High School swimming is going to be like? It's the same scenario. As are college meets. The coach puts the best line up in that they can. Sorry if that means your kid sits out or swims events they don't like.

Hun, high school coaches get fired for purposefully losing meets. Not so I’m summer swim. If coach swims Larla in an event even though she’s slower than Jane, and sandbags Jane so that coach’s kid can win all of the points for the team, parents will complain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had a drama free season because the family who causes all the drama was kicked out of the pool last year.

Is this the woman trying to sue?

Sue? I love this. The saga continues ……what is she suing for? Are lawyers involved! Awesome!!!

They are suing but managed to get into a highly ranked pool so seem to have let the suit fester all summer. You can look it up in Civil Court filings. It's like they tried to call the pool's bluff this spring and that didn't work out so they had to go forward with it. That's when things got sent to the whole membership, since it's the pool as an entity that's being sued.

What’s the name of the suit?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. This makes me really glad I’m not at some of your pools. Our mcsl pool is a lovely experience with everyone pitching in and the high schools coaches are phenomenal with the kids.

Ha, same here. I wonder if I'm just oblivious to the drama or if my pool was drama free. As far as I could tell, it was all around great swim season, great coaching and nearly all of the kids enjoyed it. There are a few parents who take swimming way too seriously, but I tune that part out mostly.

Ha! Same here.

My kid enjoyed summer swim so much that we decided to try out for year round club swim. THAT was the first time I saw parents going insane. There were kids crying and it felt like another world. Maybe it was because nobody knew each other so there’s no social pressure to have a filter? Or maybe all those parents at tryouts belong to drama filled summer teams?

Without a doubt the parents who take swimming too seriously are also a part of the year round swim. However, my kid still enjoys the indoor swimming and I like working at those meets but it is a different vibe than summer for sure.

I actually find the year round meets much more relaxed. I think it's because kids get to swim all their events in every meet. In summer swim, kids can get bumped from "their" event by a friend or their coach can randomly put them in an event they'd rather not swim and are the #3 seed behind two teammates instead of in an event they could have won. That dynamic is a recipe for drama that you don't have in winter.

Agree winter swim seems much more focused on swimming and the structure (with kids picking their events and clear criteria for meets) just seems less drama inducing. Plus it is less social for parents with more reasonable volunteer requirements), which also cuts down on the drama. My family all decided we didn't like the drama of summer swim so now skip it but still do winter swim.

What do you all think High School swimming is going to be like? It's the same scenario. As are college meets. The coach puts the best line up in that they can. Sorry if that means your kid sits out or swims events they don't like.

Wait, I thought summer swim was just for fun. Now you're saying it's preparing 8&u's for college swim meets.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. This makes me really glad I’m not at some of your pools. Our mcsl pool is a lovely experience with everyone pitching in and the high schools coaches are phenomenal with the kids.

Ha, same here. I wonder if I'm just oblivious to the drama or if my pool was drama free. As far as I could tell, it was all around great swim season, great coaching and nearly all of the kids enjoyed it. There are a few parents who take swimming way too seriously, but I tune that part out mostly.

Ha! Same here.

My kid enjoyed summer swim so much that we decided to try out for year round club swim. THAT was the first time I saw parents going insane. There were kids crying and it felt like another world. Maybe it was because nobody knew each other so there’s no social pressure to have a filter? Or maybe all those parents at tryouts belong to drama filled summer teams?

Without a doubt the parents who take swimming too seriously are also a part of the year round swim. However, my kid still enjoys the indoor swimming and I like working at those meets but it is a different vibe than summer for sure.

I actually find the year round meets much more relaxed. I think it's because kids get to swim all their events in every meet. In summer swim, kids can get bumped from "their" event by a friend or their coach can randomly put them in an event they'd rather not swim and are the #3 seed behind two teammates instead of in an event they could have won. That dynamic is a recipe for drama that you don't have in winter.

Agree winter swim seems much more focused on swimming and the structure (with kids picking their events and clear criteria for meets) just seems less drama inducing. Plus it is less social for parents with more reasonable volunteer requirements), which also cuts down on the drama. My family all decided we didn't like the drama of summer swim so now skip it but still do winter swim.

What do you all think High School swimming is going to be like? It's the same scenario. As are college meets. The coach puts the best line up in that they can. Sorry if that means your kid sits out or swims events they don't like.

Wait, I thought summer swim was just for fun. Now you're saying it's preparing 8&u's for college swim meets.

The PP is probably guilty of the shenanigans people here are complaining about. Tsk tsk. I would hope a college coach WOULD seed meets to win, and not push their favorites to the top.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. This makes me really glad I’m not at some of your pools. Our mcsl pool is a lovely experience with everyone pitching in and the high schools coaches are phenomenal with the kids.

Ha, same here. I wonder if I'm just oblivious to the drama or if my pool was drama free. As far as I could tell, it was all around great swim season, great coaching and nearly all of the kids enjoyed it. There are a few parents who take swimming way too seriously, but I tune that part out mostly.

Ha! Same here.

My kid enjoyed summer swim so much that we decided to try out for year round club swim. THAT was the first time I saw parents going insane. There were kids crying and it felt like another world. Maybe it was because nobody knew each other so there’s no social pressure to have a filter? Or maybe all those parents at tryouts belong to drama filled summer teams?

Without a doubt the parents who take swimming too seriously are also a part of the year round swim. However, my kid still enjoys the indoor swimming and I like working at those meets but it is a different vibe than summer for sure.

I actually find the year round meets much more relaxed. I think it's because kids get to swim all their events in every meet. In summer swim, kids can get bumped from "their" event by a friend or their coach can randomly put them in an event they'd rather not swim and are the #3 seed behind two teammates instead of in an event they could have won. That dynamic is a recipe for drama that you don't have in winter.

Agree winter swim seems much more focused on swimming and the structure (with kids picking their events and clear criteria for meets) just seems less drama inducing. Plus it is less social for parents with more reasonable volunteer requirements), which also cuts down on the drama. My family all decided we didn't like the drama of summer swim so now skip it but still do winter swim.

What do you all think High School swimming is going to be like? It's the same scenario. As are college meets. The coach puts the best line up in that they can. Sorry if that means your kid sits out or swims events they don't like.

The difference with HS and college is that coaches only accept a certain number of swimmers on the roster so everyone has a chance to swim something, even if it’s just a C relay or the third spot in one individual event. And in college there are usually at least two medley relays and two free relays which gives more swimmers a chance to be involved. I don’t understand why summer swim dual meets here don’t have A, B, and even C medley relays and why there’s not a free relay for each age group. Having additional relays in the same heat would not add time to a meet. They can be scored like individual events. Adding free relays would add time to the meet but they’re so much fun to watch. When a meet score comes down to the free relays you see kids really swimming their hearts out. The mixed age relay thing is dumb IMO. Those races are rarely close and it limits opportunities. Summer swim can be done in a better way and is done better in different areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. This makes me really glad I’m not at some of your pools. Our mcsl pool is a lovely experience with everyone pitching in and the high schools coaches are phenomenal with the kids.

Ha, same here. I wonder if I'm just oblivious to the drama or if my pool was drama free. As far as I could tell, it was all around great swim season, great coaching and nearly all of the kids enjoyed it. There are a few parents who take swimming way too seriously, but I tune that part out mostly.

Ha! Same here.

My kid enjoyed summer swim so much that we decided to try out for year round club swim. THAT was the first time I saw parents going insane. There were kids crying and it felt like another world. Maybe it was because nobody knew each other so there’s no social pressure to have a filter? Or maybe all those parents at tryouts belong to drama filled summer teams?

Without a doubt the parents who take swimming too seriously are also a part of the year round swim. However, my kid still enjoys the indoor swimming and I like working at those meets but it is a different vibe than summer for sure.

I actually find the year round meets much more relaxed. I think it's because kids get to swim all their events in every meet. In summer swim, kids can get bumped from "their" event by a friend or their coach can randomly put them in an event they'd rather not swim and are the #3 seed behind two teammates instead of in an event they could have won. That dynamic is a recipe for drama that you don't have in winter.

Agree winter swim seems much more focused on swimming and the structure (with kids picking their events and clear criteria for meets) just seems less drama inducing. Plus it is less social for parents with more reasonable volunteer requirements), which also cuts down on the drama. My family all decided we didn't like the drama of summer swim so now skip it but still do winter swim.

What do you all think High School swimming is going to be like? It's the same scenario. As are college meets. The coach puts the best line up in that they can. Sorry if that means your kid sits out or swims events they don't like.

The difference with HS and college is that coaches only accept a certain number of swimmers on the roster so everyone has a chance to swim something, even if it’s just a C relay or the third spot in one individual event. And in college there are usually at least two medley relays and two free relays which gives more swimmers a chance to be involved. I don’t understand why summer swim dual meets here don’t have A, B, and even C medley relays and why there’s not a free relay for each age group. Having additional relays in the same heat would not add time to a meet. They can be scored like individual events. Adding free relays would add time to the meet but they’re so much fun to watch. When a meet score comes down to the free relays you see kids really swimming their hearts out. The mixed age relay thing is dumb IMO. Those races are rarely close and it limits opportunities. Summer swim can be done in a better way and is done better in different areas.

DP. I agree. The mixed age relay is silly, would much prefer free relays!! Those were the most fun when I was a kid.