Lawsuit targeting LGTBQ books in classrooms

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t find the comments rude, just straightforward. I think the school has a right to teach their general curriculum (include age-appropriate LGBTQ+ books) to all students without telling the parents ahead of time. I think she’s right to say that if you want your children not to be exposed to ideas that don’t align with your religious beliefs you need to send them to a religious school, not a secular public one.

What shocked you so much, OP?

When people say this, what do they mean? There is no "age-appropriate heterosexual discussion". We don't refrain from talking about moms/dad, Mr./Mrs., one man/one woman marriage at any age. Why is there an "age appropriate" label around the same kind of discussion re: LGBTQ families? Are they somehow PG-13 when "mom and dad" is PG or G? None of the materials under discussion here are in any way more than showing diverse representations of people/families.

I mean - read the complaint. One of the books has the kid go to a Pride Parade where they spot leather gear and drag queens. Another one guides the teacher to give one ideological take on gender. The other two books seem to discuss sexual attraction/arousal. Only one of the books appears to be solely representative.

In case people want to see what is so scary about a picture book about two parents, a child, and a dog going to a parade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sisIwl07mc4

A for awake, animals, and all
B for breakfast, baby and ball
C for car, our old Chevrolet
D for dog, dressed up for the day
E for everyone under the sun
F for feathers, for flags and for fun
G for Grandma, at our meeting spot
H for hats and hungry and hot
I for ice cream, sticky and sweet
J for joining the crowds on the street
K for kindness and friends that we're keeping
L for leash and for loose and for leaping [the dog gets loose]
M for missing! we search high and low [for the dog]
N for nearly... and next time ... and NO! [the dog doesn't want to get caught]
O for oops. Our hopes are fading [where is the dog?]
P for puppy, proudly parading [the dog is on a float!]
Q for queen, in a beautiful dress
R for rainbows and a really big mess
S for school bus and students with signs
T for teachers and toddlers in lines
U for umbrellas and colors so bright
V for VICTORY ... and holding on tight! [the dog came back!]
W for wags and wide smiles all around
X for exhausted, asleep on the ground
Y for yawns as we drive away
Z for for zzzs at the end of the day

I suggest people who want to understand read the actual complaint.

I've read the actual complaint. That's why I went and looked at the actual books. The actual complaint's descriptions of the actual books are ridiculous.

This! If folks went and read the actual books with an open mind they would see there is little if nothing to be worried about in these books being available to read as part of ELA. And as was asked in the other thread, if students can opt-out of these books, then teachers would need to provide parents the ability to opt out of every book before reading it in class.

Yep nothing to see here other than the ravings of a few bigots.

We bigots don’t want our 8 year olds to be indoctrinated by the woke mass

You might be happier if you move further south.

[Anonymous]

I'm as liberal as they come and don't practice religion but it's getting a bit absurd and I know with my kids it's rammed into them constantly. They've had enough between this and mental health/suicide. They don't feel they can just be straight as several teachers push it (and yes, we see it). I prefer MCPS just stick to education not politics and advocacy for different groups and stay neutral. But, with that said, I'd just be impressed if they offered my kids books. We might have 1-2 a school year and otherwise it's short passages and heavy writing/research (which is good but they need more reading comprehension).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal as they come and don't practice religion but it's getting a bit absurd and I know with my kids it's rammed into them constantly. They've had enough between this and mental health/suicide. They don't feel they can just be straight as several teachers push it (and yes, we see it). I prefer MCPS just stick to education not politics and advocacy for different groups and stay neutral. But, with that said, I'd just be impressed if they offered my kids books. We might have 1-2 a school year and otherwise it's short passages and heavy writing/research (which is good but they need more reading comprehension).

You’re not liberal if you consider educating kids about those who are different is the same as “pushing it.”

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Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal as they come and don't practice religion but it's getting a bit absurd and I know with my kids it's rammed into them constantly. They've had enough between this and mental health/suicide. They don't feel they can just be straight as several teachers push it (and yes, we see it). I prefer MCPS just stick to education not politics and advocacy for different groups and stay neutral. But, with that said, I'd just be impressed if they offered my kids books. We might have 1-2 a school year and otherwise it's short passages and heavy writing/research (which is good but they need more reading comprehension).

You’re not liberal if you consider educating kids about those who are different is the same as “pushing it.”

Because schools aren’t just education kids about those who are different. That’s the point.

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^ “educating”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal as they come and don't practice religion but it's getting a bit absurd and I know with my kids it's rammed into them constantly. They've had enough between this and mental health/suicide. They don't feel they can just be straight as several teachers push it (and yes, we see it). I prefer MCPS just stick to education not politics and advocacy for different groups and stay neutral. But, with that said, I'd just be impressed if they offered my kids books. We might have 1-2 a school year and otherwise it's short passages and heavy writing/research (which is good but they need more reading comprehension).

You’re not liberal if you consider educating kids about those who are different is the same as “pushing it.”

Anytime someone writes, "I'm a liberal democrat but...", you know they're anything but that.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t find the comments rude, just straightforward. I think the school has a right to teach their general curriculum (include age-appropriate LGBTQ+ books) to all students without telling the parents ahead of time. I think she’s right to say that if you want your children not to be exposed to ideas that don’t align with your religious beliefs you need to send them to a religious school, not a secular public one.

What shocked you so much, OP?

When people say this, what do they mean? There is no "age-appropriate heterosexual discussion". We don't refrain from talking about moms/dad, Mr./Mrs., one man/one woman marriage at any age. Why is there an "age appropriate" label around the same kind of discussion re: LGBTQ families? Are they somehow PG-13 when "mom and dad" is PG or G? None of the materials under discussion here are in any way more than showing diverse representations of people/families.

I mean - read the complaint. One of the books has the kid go to a Pride Parade where they spot leather gear and drag queens. Another one guides the teacher to give one ideological take on gender. The other two books seem to discuss sexual attraction/arousal. Only one of the books appears to be solely representative.

In case people want to see what is so scary about a picture book about two parents, a child, and a dog going to a parade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sisIwl07mc4

A for awake, animals, and all
B for breakfast, baby and ball
C for car, our old Chevrolet
D for dog, dressed up for the day
E for everyone under the sun
F for feathers, for flags and for fun
G for Grandma, at our meeting spot
H for hats and hungry and hot
I for ice cream, sticky and sweet
J for joining the crowds on the street
K for kindness and friends that we're keeping
L for leash and for loose and for leaping [the dog gets loose]
M for missing! we search high and low [for the dog]
N for nearly... and next time ... and NO! [the dog doesn't want to get caught]
O for oops. Our hopes are fading [where is the dog?]
P for puppy, proudly parading [the dog is on a float!]
Q for queen, in a beautiful dress
R for rainbows and a really big mess
S for school bus and students with signs
T for teachers and toddlers in lines
U for umbrellas and colors so bright
V for VICTORY ... and holding on tight! [the dog came back!]
W for wags and wide smiles all around
X for exhausted, asleep on the ground
Y for yawns as we drive away
Z for for zzzs at the end of the day

I suggest people who want to understand read the actual complaint.

I've read the actual complaint. That's why I went and looked at the actual books. The actual complaint's descriptions of the actual books are ridiculous.

This! If folks went and read the actual books with an open mind they would see there is little if nothing to be worried about in these books being available to read as part of ELA. And as was asked in the other thread, if students can opt-out of these books, then teachers would need to provide parents the ability to opt out of every book before reading it in class.

Yep nothing to see here other than the ravings of a few bigots.

Exactly just the Cato posters trying to sew misinformation, fear, and hatred.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Which part of her remarks did you find problematic. I read the entire article and agree with everything she said.

Moreover, I support her firm stance on this issue. This isn't an issue on which I want wobbly political answers from my elected officials - I want a clear statement that MCPS will not single out the existence of LGBTQ+ children and families as "controversial."

My kids school banned Halloween and Valentines Day as not being inclusive,but is mandating lgbtq books in classrooms. Just seems a little incongruous.

To be clear, MCPS is not "mandating" those books. They are simply adding them to the list of books that teachers could choose to read in class, and that librarians could choose to stock.

And to be clear, all the parents are asking is for the right to opt out.

How do kids opt out of books residing in a classroom? I think the point that this is not part of sex ed so there is no opt out option makes perfect sense. These aren't sexual issues.

Huh? Gender transition is definitely part of sex ed. Sex ed is not about having sex.

The opt out would be from being assigned the book or read out loud.

Gender does not equal sex. Gender is not about who you have sex with. Sex ed is partially about having sex. Maybe you are missing something.

Oh ffs. Here is the MoCo 5th grade Sex Ed curriculum. Gender transition is on topic. And if course, gender has a lot to do with having sex, don’t be obtuse.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/health/elementary/grade5/familylife

Families are also on topic.

A. Family Unit
4.5.A.1. Describe how family members influence the development of adolescents.
4.5.A.1.a. Describe the relationships that exist within a family.
4.5.A.1.b. Explain how family relationships may change during puberty.

Therefore, obviously, MCPS should provide notification and opt-out for any and all ELA books that have families in them! Right?

If the book is being used to teach a didactic lesson on families, yes. I mean, take issue with the law, not me.

None of these books are being used to teach "didactic lessons on families", unless you consider "not everybody's family is the same as your family" to be a didactic lesson.

[Anonymous]

Parents need to stay in their lane and let the professionals educate children and make these decisions.

It’s precisely BECAUSE of parents like those who filed the suit that we must make children read these books. We are educating them to make society a better place, not to allow the perpetuation of backwards and hateful attitudes that some parents and their churches groom and indoctrinate children to believe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t find the comments rude, just straightforward. I think the school has a right to teach their general curriculum (include age-appropriate LGBTQ+ books) to all students without telling the parents ahead of time. I think she’s right to say that if you want your children not to be exposed to ideas that don’t align with your religious beliefs you need to send them to a religious school, not a secular public one.

What shocked you so much, OP?

DP here. I don't think most parents have an issue with books showing LGBTQ characters or books with the message that we must love and accept all including those in the LGBTQ community. What the parents have an issue with is MCPS requiring kids to read books such as A Boy Named Penelope which teaches kids that changing your gender is not a big deal and it's as easy as changing your favorite color. That's overstepping their boundaries.

Its not ok to teach it. Keep this out of school. Gay lobby has overtaken MCPS/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parents need to stay in their lane and let the professionals educate children and make these decisions.

It’s precisely BECAUSE of parents like those who filed the suit that we must make children read these books. We are educating them to make society a better place, not to allow the perpetuation of backwards and hateful attitudes that some parents and their churches groom and indoctrinate children to believe.

LOL, professionals.... If professionals were left to teach, entire MCPS result will look horrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal as they come and don't practice religion but it's getting a bit absurd and I know with my kids it's rammed into them constantly. They've had enough between this and mental health/suicide. They don't feel they can just be straight as several teachers push it (and yes, we see it). I prefer MCPS just stick to education not politics and advocacy for different groups and stay neutral. But, with that said, I'd just be impressed if they offered my kids books. We might have 1-2 a school year and otherwise it's short passages and heavy writing/research (which is good but they need more reading comprehension).

MCPS can't do the job properly. It will do a bunch of other things but to actually provide education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents need to stay in their lane and let the professionals educate children and make these decisions.

It’s precisely BECAUSE of parents like those who filed the suit that we must make children read these books. We are educating them to make society a better place, not to allow the perpetuation of backwards and hateful attitudes that some parents and their churches groom and indoctrinate children to believe.

LOL, professionals.... If professionals were left to teach, entire MCPS result will look horrible.

Yes. Professionals. SMEs with pedagogy training.

Parents don’t get a say in what should be taught in the classroom or what books should or should not be available. Their opinions are irrelevant and invalid. Parents don’t matter here — they are not important stakeholders and in fact often work against the interests of educating children. They sure are arrogant, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal as they come and don't practice religion but it's getting a bit absurd and I know with my kids it's rammed into them constantly. They've had enough between this and mental health/suicide. They don't feel they can just be straight as several teachers push it (and yes, we see it). I prefer MCPS just stick to education not politics and advocacy for different groups and stay neutral. But, with that said, I'd just be impressed if they offered my kids books. We might have 1-2 a school year and otherwise it's short passages and heavy writing/research (which is good but they need more reading comprehension).

How does one do heavy writing/research without reading comprehension?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents need to stay in their lane and let the professionals educate children and make these decisions.

It’s precisely BECAUSE of parents like those who filed the suit that we must make children read these books. We are educating them to make society a better place, not to allow the perpetuation of backwards and hateful attitudes that some parents and their churches groom and indoctrinate children to believe.

LOL, professionals.... If professionals were left to teach, entire MCPS result will look horrible.

Yes. Professionals. SMEs with pedagogy training.

Parents don’t get a say in what should be taught in the classroom or what books should or should not be available. Their opinions are irrelevant and invalid. Parents don’t matter here — they are not important stakeholders and in fact often work against the interests of educating children. They sure are arrogant, though.

Nice sarcasm and if not then you have lost your mind.