differences between Winston Churchill high school and Walt Whitman high school

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No, Churchill is not part of the Woodward boundary study, but it is expected to be part of the Crown boundary study.

As with Whitman, a sizable portion of Churchill's catchment boundary corresponds with the river (and with Whitman). As such, that limits the possible avenues for changing its boundary.

Because Churchill was included in the Crown study but excluded from the Woodward study, that suggests to me that any changes to the Churchill boundary would be made to the northern portions, and not the eastern or southern portions.

Does anyone know if the boundary studies for Woodward and Crown will be looking at just changing the composition of the elementary schools (but leaving their boundaries) or also changing the boundaries of the elementary schools as well as the middle and high schools? Or are all those options (and others) possible?

ES boundaries are not part of the Woodward study, but where any particular ES students head to MS or HS may change, including splitting any one elementary school's articulation to multiple middle schools.

I think in Woodward boundary they say they will avoid split Articulations.

Or attempt to, anyway. Keeping ES boundaries while changing MS and HS boundaries will leave them with few choices.

The other choice is deciding to move ES boundaries to avoid split articulation.

Yes. They will likely try to avoid split articulations. They may not succeed in avoiding split articulations.

In most cases it will be impossible to avoid them. If they are saying they will keep kids currently in the walk zones as walkers, and they also want to avoid split articulations, that would mean any ES that is part of a HS walk zone would not be rezoned.

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No, Churchill is not part of the Woodward boundary study, but it is expected to be part of the Crown boundary study.

As with Whitman, a sizable portion of Churchill's catchment boundary corresponds with the river (and with Whitman). As such, that limits the possible avenues for changing its boundary.

Because Churchill was included in the Crown study but excluded from the Woodward study, that suggests to me that any changes to the Churchill boundary would be made to the northern portions, and not the eastern or southern portions.

Does anyone know if the boundary studies for Woodward and Crown will be looking at just changing the composition of the elementary schools (but leaving their boundaries) or also changing the boundaries of the elementary schools as well as the middle and high schools? Or are all those options (and others) possible?

ES boundaries are not part of the Woodward study, but where any particular ES students head to MS or HS may change, including splitting any one elementary school's articulation to multiple middle schools.

I think in Woodward boundary they say they will avoid split Articulations.

Or attempt to, anyway. Keeping ES boundaries while changing MS and HS boundaries will leave them with few choices.

The other choice is deciding to move ES boundaries to avoid split articulation.

Yes. They will likely try to avoid split articulations. They may not succeed in avoiding split articulations.

In most cases it will be impossible to avoid them. If they are saying they will keep kids currently in the walk zones as walkers, and they also want to avoid split articulations, that would mean any ES that is part of a HS walk zone would not be rezoned.

It’s not impossible. Many ES has zero walking zone to HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Churchill has always seemed majority Asian to me.
Our friends left their local elementary school which was 80%+ asian and cliquey.

It's interesting that you consider 32% to be majority Asian-American. The plurality demographic group at Churchill is non-Hispanic white, at 43%.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04602.pdf

While we're at it, let's look at the elementary schools in the Churchill cluster:

Bells Mill: 27% Asian-American, 8% 2+, 41% non-Hispanic white
Seven Locks: 26% Asian-American, <5% 2+, 49% non-Hispanic white
Beverly Farms: 30% Asian-American, 9% 2+, 45% non-Hispanic white
Potomac: 33% Asian-American, 11% 2+, 39% non-Hispanic white
Wayside: 41% Asian-American, 6% 2+, 38% non-Hispanic white

Asian families go where the good schools are. Churchill is an excellent school. As a PP noted, accurately, there is a decent amount of middle-class housing in Potomac that is a factor too.

Huge Chinese American christian church there. Plus all the food along 270. It’s their community there.

Just like tons of Koreans in Vienna, Ethiopians in NE DC, Hispanics in silver spring.

We interrupt this broadcast to point out that there aren't "tons of Koreans" in Vienna.

Vienna is one of the least Asian parts of Fairfax - very white. On the other hand, there are a lot of Koreans in Chantilly and Centreville.

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Depends on how you define "middle-class"...

There are several townhouse communities near the eastern part of the Churchill boundary (close to Seven Locks Rd), as well as some more-affordable single-family houses near Churchill High School. Mind you, the prices for these homes are likely significantly higher than the prices for similar homes in other parts of the County. Are they "middle class" prices? No, they probably aren't, depending how one defines "middle class."

But are these homes more affordable to a greater number of people than the larger single-family homes elsewhere in the Churchill and Whitman catchments? Yes, they are.

Scotland is in Churchill School
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Anonymous wrote:Whitman boundary may change due to Woodward High School Opening. Apart from that, there is not much difference.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1128527.page

Could Churchill's boundary change due to Woodward?

No, Churchill is not part of the Woodward boundary study, but it is expected to be part of the Crown boundary study.

The current CIP includes other five high schools and Churchill is not one of them. Even if MCPS does include it, the worst case is that a small portion goes to Wootton. It’s not a big deal.

The lines between Churchill, Wootton, and RM could be redrawn.

The only part connecting to RM is Beverly farm ES and a big portion of it is in walking distance to Churchill.

The cluster boundary for all the clusters will probably change, and that includes adding some areas to the cluster, not just taking neighborhoods away.

I don’t see much change to Churchill and it’s already over capacity. It’s not on the Crown study plan yet either.

Being over capacity is a good reason for boundary changes, no?

As I said, from the current map, I only see a small portion goes to Wootton, which is not a big deal.

Think bigger. The whole northern and western sections could be part of a boundary change with NW, QO, Crown, and Wootton.

lol. DP. I almost took you seriously. Churchill is not on the Crown boundary study. Even if it was, I don't think you understand the logistics involved in bussing kids to Churchill.

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Anonymous wrote:Whitman boundary may change due to Woodward High School Opening. Apart from that, there is not much difference.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1128527.page

Could Churchill's boundary change due to Woodward?

No, Churchill is not part of the Woodward boundary study, but it is expected to be part of the Crown boundary study.

The current CIP includes other five high schools and Churchill is not one of them. Even if MCPS does include it, the worst case is that a small portion goes to Wootton. It’s not a big deal.

The lines between Churchill, Wootton, and RM could be redrawn.

The only part connecting to RM is Beverly farm ES and a big portion of it is in walking distance to Churchill.

The cluster boundary for all the clusters will probably change, and that includes adding some areas to the cluster, not just taking neighborhoods away.

I don’t see much change to Churchill and it’s already over capacity. It’s not on the Crown study plan yet either.

Being over capacity is a good reason for boundary changes, no?

As I said, from the current map, I only see a small portion goes to Wootton, which is not a big deal.

Think bigger. The whole northern and western sections could be part of a boundary change with NW, QO, Crown, and Wootton.

lol. DP. I almost took you seriously. Churchill is not on the Crown boundary study. Even if it was, I don't think you understand the logistics involved in bussing kids to Churchill.

There is no Crown boundary study yet, so no one knows which schools will be officially in scope. But Seth Adams has already been mentioning adding Churchill to the project.

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Churchill will surely part of Crown. Some part of RM and Churchill can be swapped to bring some diversity in Churchill.

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Anonymous wrote:Churchill will surely part of Crown. Some part of RM and Churchill can be swapped to bring some diversity in Churchill.

About time!

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Anonymous wrote:Churchill will surely part of Crown. Some part of RM and Churchill can be swapped to bring some diversity in Churchill.

You’re probably from the part which was redistricted from Wootton to RM. Keep daydreaming. Swapping is not gonna change any diversity at Churchill.

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Anonymous wrote:Churchill will surely part of Crown. Some part of RM and Churchill can be swapped to bring some diversity in Churchill.

You’re probably from the part which was redistricted from Wootton to RM. Keep daydreaming. Swapping is not gonna change any diversity at Churchill.

Of course it will, and for Whitman too. This is a key part of MCPS goals to build more equity.

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Anonymous wrote:Churchill will surely part of Crown. Some part of RM and Churchill can be swapped to bring some diversity in Churchill.

We're zoned for Churchill and DS attends the RM magnet. We love RM, would be perfectly happy to "swap" for younger DCs.

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No, Churchill is not part of the Woodward boundary study, but it is expected to be part of the Crown boundary study.

As with Whitman, a sizable portion of Churchill's catchment boundary corresponds with the river (and with Whitman). As such, that limits the possible avenues for changing its boundary.

Because Churchill was included in the Crown study but excluded from the Woodward study, that suggests to me that any changes to the Churchill boundary would be made to the northern portions, and not the eastern or southern portions.

Does anyone know if the boundary studies for Woodward and Crown will be looking at just changing the composition of the elementary schools (but leaving their boundaries) or also changing the boundaries of the elementary schools as well as the middle and high schools? Or are all those options (and others) possible?

Sorry to disappoint you but it has to change. The days of segregated schools @MCPS are over.

Careful what you wish for, contrary to popular beliefs, eastern MoCo is way more gerrymandered than most of the western side until you get to boundaries areas like Kensington or Rockville.

A road here, an inch on a map there can change the entire fabric of a Silver Spring school as many of the schools people are most proud of today fought like hell in the 80s to keep that street out or that building away. You could start over from scratch with Whitman and just get a different group of million dollar homes. At the end of the day the school district cant ship all the poor kids away from the poor areas.

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Why not give some WJ or BCC to Whitman?

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Anonymous wrote:Both are very excellent schools. Both ahve a wealthy student body.
I would say biggest difference is make up of the population (data from the CIP):
Churchill 32% Asian, 43% white
Whitman 15% Asian, 60% white

The demographics make a difference. If you look at the yearbook at Whitman or Pyle you'd think there were no AAPI students while at Churchill AAPI students feel like a more integrated part of the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Whitman boundary may change due to Woodward High School Opening. Apart from that, there is not much difference.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1128527.page

Could Churchill's boundary change due to Woodward?

No, Churchill is not part of the Woodward boundary study, but it is expected to be part of the Crown boundary study.

The current CIP includes other five high schools and Churchill is not one of them. Even if MCPS does include it, the worst case is that a small portion goes to Wootton. It’s not a big deal.

The lines between Churchill, Wootton, and RM could be redrawn.

The only part connecting to RM is Beverly farm ES and a big portion of it is in walking distance to Churchill.

The cluster boundary for all the clusters will probably change, and that includes adding some areas to the cluster, not just taking neighborhoods away.

I don’t see much change to Churchill and it’s already over capacity. It’s not on the Crown study plan yet either.

Being over capacity is a good reason for boundary changes, no?

As I said, from the current map, I only see a small portion goes to Wootton, which is not a big deal.

Think bigger. The whole northern and western sections could be part of a boundary change with NW, QO, Crown, and Wootton.

It could, but kids from Churchill needs to be bused much further to be redrawn and could got significant number of walkers to busers. Just from the map, it would seem to be the least impacted.

I have always said that Churchill cluster is pretty bullet proof when it comes to redistricting. Wootton and Whitman are adjacent. WJ is already overcrowded. Nowhere to send the Churchill kids and it is too over capacity to have incoming. We are protected, and people hate that lol.

Remember, demographics (diversity) is still the #1 factor when determining boundaries. Just because the pro-busers didn't succeed in mass-busing all at once, doesn't mean it won't happen over time. Smaller boundary studies is how they'll do it.