Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The mental gymnastics folks are doing in this thread to excuse the white lady are crazy!

If a Black person had done that to a white person, people would be all "she should go to jail" or call for all kinds of crazy punishment. If she was Black, people would be arguing that she should have been wrestled to the ground - I mean who knows if she had a weapon or something?!

The fact that this white woman got to walk away from trying to steal a bike right in front of people is crazy! Not to mention that some people there actually encouraged the guy to give her the bike - what the H@ll?

Because we all know everyone who steals is immediately arrested and faces meaningful consequences!

[Anonymous]

IF the video shows the entire incident, then yep, she’s nuts. IF the video is edited and there is much more to the story, I can’t make a judgment. No one can.
I’ll wait a few more days to see if any other facts come to light.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she thought it was her bike because she rode it to work and left it at that bike rack (and perhaps does this every day)? I see in my neighborhood, which is up a steep hill, that people take public electric bikes and scooters and park them outside their houses, so they can easily hop back on to get back down the hill. For all intents and purposes, it is "their" bike (though anyone could come rent it in front of their house, but it's an unlikely place to rent from)

It doesn't make what she did okay, or acceptable, but that is the only reason I could see her claiming it was "her" bike.

OMG she obviously did not think it was her bike. She knew damn well it wasn't her bike--anyone who has actually had something stolen from them knows that's not the reaction one has when a group of people you are afraid of strong-armed robs you!

I’m sorry no, it is not obvious from the video. It’s far from obvious. Your prejudice against white women is making you make large factual leaps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Count me among the people who think she's very much in the wrong and that her fake crying is awful but also think the way this has gone viral and how she's being held up as emblematic of all white women is troubling.

One of the first things I thought of when I saw this video was a time when I was walking down a city street texting, minding my own business, when a group of 4 teen girls walked up and demanded I give them my phone. My first instinct at the time, since it was about 6pm on a weekday and there were lots of people around, was to loudly start saying "These girls are trying to take my phone!" Not screaming, but just announcing to passers by what was happing in case they tried to physically take it from me. They laughed at me and walked away. I think my instincts were good.

But watching this video and the response, I now wonder how that response would look if it was recorded by someone else. Would it be clear to others what was going on? What if the video didn't catch the part where the girls demanded my phone? What did I look like calling out like that? Like some entitled white lady trying to get a group of young black people in trouble? In 2023, if a bystander heard me saying that, would they understand what was happening or assume I was just a white lade crying wolf?

So while I now understand enough context to get this woman was definitely in the wrong and find her behavior abhorrent, I worry about just assuming that anytime you see a white woman calling for help that she is faking it. Sometimes people do need help. Not all white women are bad actors. Not all black people are in the right. It feels like we are swinging from one set of assumptions to another and I don't think the outcomes are going to be great.

A woman being labelled a Karen is not the same as a black man having police sicced on him.

Yelling “help” when you think you are being threatened or stolen from is not “siccing police” on anyone. It’s calling for help. Until anyone can prove to me that the woman knew the bike wan’t hers, I’m neutral.

It is a rental bike which was rented by another person, who was right there with the reservation on his phone. 10/10 not her bike and she knew it.

THE VIDEO DOES NOT SHOW THAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she thought it was her bike because she rode it to work and left it at that bike rack (and perhaps does this every day)? I see in my neighborhood, which is up a steep hill, that people take public electric bikes and scooters and park them outside their houses, so they can easily hop back on to get back down the hill. For all intents and purposes, it is "their" bike (though anyone could come rent it in front of their house, but it's an unlikely place to rent from)

It doesn't make what she did okay, or acceptable, but that is the only reason I could see her claiming it was "her" bike.

OMG she obviously did not think it was her bike. She knew damn well it wasn't her bike--anyone who has actually had something stolen from them knows that's not the reaction one has when a group of people you are afraid of strong-armed robs you!

I’m sorry no, it is not obvious from the video. It’s far from obvious. Your prejudice against white women is making you make large factual leaps.

I AM a white woman. Believe me, I have no "prejudice" against myself.
I have also been a victim of a crime by a person who claimed to be mentally ill. I wasn't his first victim, nor was I his last. He just claims "mental illness" and gets to keep on collecting victims.
I'm sick of it. They cause terror and get away with it and just keep causing terror.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Count me among the people who think she's very much in the wrong and that her fake crying is awful but also think the way this has gone viral and how she's being held up as emblematic of all white women is troubling.

One of the first things I thought of when I saw this video was a time when I was walking down a city street texting, minding my own business, when a group of 4 teen girls walked up and demanded I give them my phone. My first instinct at the time, since it was about 6pm on a weekday and there were lots of people around, was to loudly start saying "These girls are trying to take my phone!" Not screaming, but just announcing to passers by what was happing in case they tried to physically take it from me. They laughed at me and walked away. I think my instincts were good.

But watching this video and the response, I now wonder how that response would look if it was recorded by someone else. Would it be clear to others what was going on? What if the video didn't catch the part where the girls demanded my phone? What did I look like calling out like that? Like some entitled white lady trying to get a group of young black people in trouble? In 2023, if a bystander heard me saying that, would they understand what was happening or assume I was just a white lade crying wolf?

So while I now understand enough context to get this woman was definitely in the wrong and find her behavior abhorrent, I worry about just assuming that anytime you see a white woman calling for help that she is faking it. Sometimes people do need help. Not all white women are bad actors. Not all black people are in the right. It feels like we are swinging from one set of assumptions to another and I don't think the outcomes are going to be great.

A woman being labelled a Karen is not the same as a black man having police sicced on him.

I didn't say it was the same. But it's still dangerous to start assuming that any white woman asking for help is lying. The idea that white women are de facto liars is troubling to me, a white woman who does not steal bikes from people or call the cops on black men for kicks. I don't want the behavior of these white women being used to justify not believing me when I'm telling the truth, and I do worry that we are defining these incidents very broadly and the fixation on how she sounded when she asked for help or the look on her face as being indicative of what was happening concerns me. As a white woman, I worry that I could look and sound like that even if I was genuinely in need of help.

When a person is genuinely in distress, it is clear.

How can you assert this? Look at this thread and how many different perspectives there are on the motivations and actions of everyone in the video.

Also, when I watched the video, the give away to me that she was fake crying is when she stops. But what if the video cut off before that happened? Would you be certain she was faking? I personally would not be. I've worked with people (of all races and genders) with PTSD and you'd be surprised what distress looks like in someone who has a history of being abused, neglected, who has certain mental health conditions, etc.

You don't know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she thought it was her bike because she rode it to work and left it at that bike rack (and perhaps does this every day)? I see in my neighborhood, which is up a steep hill, that people take public electric bikes and scooters and park them outside their houses, so they can easily hop back on to get back down the hill. For all intents and purposes, it is "their" bike (though anyone could come rent it in front of their house, but it's an unlikely place to rent from)

It doesn't make what she did okay, or acceptable, but that is the only reason I could see her claiming it was "her" bike.

OMG she obviously did not think it was her bike. She knew damn well it wasn't her bike--anyone who has actually had something stolen from them knows that's not the reaction one has when a group of people you are afraid of strong-armed robs you!

I’m sorry no, it is not obvious from the video. It’s far from obvious. Your prejudice against white women is making you make large factual leaps.

I AM a white woman. Believe me, I have no "prejudice" against myself.
I have also been a victim of a crime by a person who claimed to be mentally ill. I wasn't his first victim, nor was I his last. He just claims "mental illness" and gets to keep on collecting victims.
I'm sick of it. They cause terror and get away with it and just keep causing terror.

She didn’t actually commit any crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she thought it was her bike because she rode it to work and left it at that bike rack (and perhaps does this every day)? I see in my neighborhood, which is up a steep hill, that people take public electric bikes and scooters and park them outside their houses, so they can easily hop back on to get back down the hill. For all intents and purposes, it is "their" bike (though anyone could come rent it in front of their house, but it's an unlikely place to rent from)

It doesn't make what she did okay, or acceptable, but that is the only reason I could see her claiming it was "her" bike.

OMG she obviously did not think it was her bike. She knew damn well it wasn't her bike--anyone who has actually had something stolen from them knows that's not the reaction one has when a group of people you are afraid of strong-armed robs you!

I’m sorry no, it is not obvious from the video. It’s far from obvious. Your prejudice against white women is making you make large factual leaps.

I AM a white woman. Believe me, I have no "prejudice" against myself.
I have also been a victim of a crime by a person who claimed to be mentally ill. I wasn't his first victim, nor was I his last. He just claims "mental illness" and gets to keep on collecting victims.
I'm sick of it. They cause terror and get away with it and just keep causing terror.

She didn’t actually commit any crime.

She tried to. I guarantee you she has a history of this. This was not her first time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she thought it was her bike because she rode it to work and left it at that bike rack (and perhaps does this every day)? I see in my neighborhood, which is up a steep hill, that people take public electric bikes and scooters and park them outside their houses, so they can easily hop back on to get back down the hill. For all intents and purposes, it is "their" bike (though anyone could come rent it in front of their house, but it's an unlikely place to rent from)

It doesn't make what she did okay, or acceptable, but that is the only reason I could see her claiming it was "her" bike.

OMG she obviously did not think it was her bike. She knew damn well it wasn't her bike--anyone who has actually had something stolen from them knows that's not the reaction one has when a group of people you are afraid of strong-armed robs you!

I’m sorry no, it is not obvious from the video. It’s far from obvious. Your prejudice against white women is making you make large factual leaps.

I AM a white woman. Believe me, I have no "prejudice" against myself.
I have also been a victim of a crime by a person who claimed to be mentally ill. I wasn't his first victim, nor was I his last. He just claims "mental illness" and gets to keep on collecting victims.
I'm sick of it. They cause terror and get away with it and just keep causing terror.

She didn’t actually commit any crime.

If a “Good Samaritan” had come by and put the guy in a headlock for 15 minutes until he died, no harm no foul.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's bad when you have to disguise a racist attack in generic words/titles because you are afraid white folks won't click on it.

It wasn't a racist attack, she tried to get the bike like one might try to grab that taxi first. She did not run up and say hey black guy give me your bike. Nice try on your part to paint it as such though. White folks are not falling for garbage from people like you any longer.

She used her privilege to garner favor from those that might come to her defense.

I do understand that you ate tired of being confronted by the reality of our nation. Heck, I am waiting to see what excuse my white boss will use to explain why he used an image of a noose hanging from a tree in a PowerPoint presentation about customer service.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Count me among the people who think she's very much in the wrong and that her fake crying is awful but also think the way this has gone viral and how she's being held up as emblematic of all white women is troubling.

One of the first things I thought of when I saw this video was a time when I was walking down a city street texting, minding my own business, when a group of 4 teen girls walked up and demanded I give them my phone. My first instinct at the time, since it was about 6pm on a weekday and there were lots of people around, was to loudly start saying "These girls are trying to take my phone!" Not screaming, but just announcing to passers by what was happing in case they tried to physically take it from me. They laughed at me and walked away. I think my instincts were good.

But watching this video and the response, I now wonder how that response would look if it was recorded by someone else. Would it be clear to others what was going on? What if the video didn't catch the part where the girls demanded my phone? What did I look like calling out like that? Like some entitled white lady trying to get a group of young black people in trouble? In 2023, if a bystander heard me saying that, would they understand what was happening or assume I was just a white lade crying wolf?

So while I now understand enough context to get this woman was definitely in the wrong and find her behavior abhorrent, I worry about just assuming that anytime you see a white woman calling for help that she is faking it. Sometimes people do need help. Not all white women are bad actors. Not all black people are in the right. It feels like we are swinging from one set of assumptions to another and I don't think the outcomes are going to be great.

A woman being labelled a Karen is not the same as a black man having police sicced on him.

I didn't say it was the same. But it's still dangerous to start assuming that any white woman asking for help is lying. The idea that white women are de facto liars is troubling to me, a white woman who does not steal bikes from people or call the cops on black men for kicks. I don't want the behavior of these white women being used to justify not believing me when I'm telling the truth, and I do worry that we are defining these incidents very broadly and the fixation on how she sounded when she asked for help or the look on her face as being indicative of what was happening concerns me. As a white woman, I worry that I could look and sound like that even if I was genuinely in need of help.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Count me among the people who think she's very much in the wrong and that her fake crying is awful but also think the way this has gone viral and how she's being held up as emblematic of all white women is troubling.

One of the first things I thought of when I saw this video was a time when I was walking down a city street texting, minding my own business, when a group of 4 teen girls walked up and demanded I give them my phone. My first instinct at the time, since it was about 6pm on a weekday and there were lots of people around, was to loudly start saying "These girls are trying to take my phone!" Not screaming, but just announcing to passers by what was happing in case they tried to physically take it from me. They laughed at me and walked away. I think my instincts were good.

But watching this video and the response, I now wonder how that response would look if it was recorded by someone else. Would it be clear to others what was going on? What if the video didn't catch the part where the girls demanded my phone? What did I look like calling out like that? Like some entitled white lady trying to get a group of young black people in trouble? In 2023, if a bystander heard me saying that, would they understand what was happening or assume I was just a white lade crying wolf?

So while I now understand enough context to get this woman was definitely in the wrong and find her behavior abhorrent, I worry about just assuming that anytime you see a white woman calling for help that she is faking it. Sometimes people do need help. Not all white women are bad actors. Not all black people are in the right. It feels like we are swinging from one set of assumptions to another and I don't think the outcomes are going to be great.

A woman being labelled a Karen is not the same as a black man having police sicced on him.

I didn't say it was the same. But it's still dangerous to start assuming that any white woman asking for help is lying. The idea that white women are de facto liars is troubling to me, a white woman who does not steal bikes from people or call the cops on black men for kicks. I don't want the behavior of these white women being used to justify not believing me when I'm telling the truth, and I do worry that we are defining these incidents very broadly and the fixation on how she sounded when she asked for help or the look on her face as being indicative of what was happening concerns me. As a white woman, I worry that I could look and sound like that even if I was genuinely in need of help.

+1.

Sucks to all be lumped together doesn’t it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Sucks to all be lumped together doesn’t it?

+1,000,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Count me among the people who think she's very much in the wrong and that her fake crying is awful but also think the way this has gone viral and how she's being held up as emblematic of all white women is troubling.

One of the first things I thought of when I saw this video was a time when I was walking down a city street texting, minding my own business, when a group of 4 teen girls walked up and demanded I give them my phone. My first instinct at the time, since it was about 6pm on a weekday and there were lots of people around, was to loudly start saying "These girls are trying to take my phone!" Not screaming, but just announcing to passers by what was happing in case they tried to physically take it from me. They laughed at me and walked away. I think my instincts were good.

But watching this video and the response, I now wonder how that response would look if it was recorded by someone else. Would it be clear to others what was going on? What if the video didn't catch the part where the girls demanded my phone? What did I look like calling out like that? Like some entitled white lady trying to get a group of young black people in trouble? In 2023, if a bystander heard me saying that, would they understand what was happening or assume I was just a white lade crying wolf?

So while I now understand enough context to get this woman was definitely in the wrong and find her behavior abhorrent, I worry about just assuming that anytime you see a white woman calling for help that she is faking it. Sometimes people do need help. Not all white women are bad actors. Not all black people are in the right. It feels like we are swinging from one set of assumptions to another and I don't think the outcomes are going to be great.

A woman being labelled a Karen is not the same as a black man having police sicced on him.

I didn't say it was the same. But it's still dangerous to start assuming that any white woman asking for help is lying. The idea that white women are de facto liars is troubling to me, a white woman who does not steal bikes from people or call the cops on black men for kicks. I don't want the behavior of these white women being used to justify not believing me when I'm telling the truth, and I do worry that we are defining these incidents very broadly and the fixation on how she sounded when she asked for help or the look on her face as being indicative of what was happening concerns me. As a white woman, I worry that I could look and sound like that even if I was genuinely in need of help.

+1.

Sucks to all be lumped together doesn’t it?

F’ing wow. You don’t know PP, or me, and of course it does. I’m mixed and look more or less totally white, and I’m not going to take stupid crap from you or anyone else about how I’m a bad actor by dint of my skin tone when I haven’t engaged in a bad act. You think that everyone who you think is a WASP because you just don’t know, is necessarily lumping in all Black men or women together? That’s your f’ing problem.

I think this woman was faking tears and even faking her confusion, and is going to lose her job, and I posted accordingly. You’re just of a vengeful mindset, so good luck with that, it seems really productive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Sucks to all be lumped together doesn’t it?

+1,000,000

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