USSC decision on AA expected next month

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

The AAPI survey that found this was misleadingI don't know a single Asian American who supports race based college admissions, and I am Asian American. I and many I know support SES/income based affirmative action, but not race based.

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/3886266-affirmative-misinformation-what-asian-americans-really-think-of-affirmative-action/

a closer look reveals that the AAPI Data’s survey questions intentionally incline respondents to express support for the controversial admissions policy, revealing more about the question Asian Americans were asked than the values they hold. The reality is that many Asian Americans are not as enthusiastic about racial preferences as AAPI Data and much of the media would like us to believe.

The question behind the statistic reads: “Do you favor or oppose affirmative action programs designed to help Black people, women and other minorities get better access to education?”

In every such survey, the “better access” question produced an overwhelmingly positive response — not only did over 60 percent of all respondents say they favored affirmative action, but so did a majority of each individual Asian-origin group.

In 2018 and 2016, however, AAPI Data included a second question about race-based college admissions on the AAVS, which read: “In general, do you think affirmative action programs designed to increase the number of Black and minority students on college campuses are a good thing or a bad thing?” The answers to that question tell an entirely different story.

In 2018, support for affirmative action among Asian Americans as a whole was 8 percentage points lower (58 percent) in response to the “increase the number” question than in response to its “better access” question (66 percent). In 2016, there was a 12 percentage-point gap — 64 percent support on the “better access” question but only 52 percent on the “increase the number” question. Moreover, in 2016, nearly two-thirds of Chinese American participants responded to the “increase the number” question by saying affirmative action is a “bad thing,” an instance of majority disapproval of the policy.

Citing an OPINION EDITORIAL i.e. Op-Ed or one person's opinion, to refute survey data that clearly indicate 50%+ AAPI support ( very worse case) for affirmative action is pretty lame.

Ed Blum has you right where he wants you: as a pawn.

It may be an opinion piece but the piece quotes the question in the survey.

It's like asking, "Do you support all children having access to healthy food?" Of course, 99% of people would say 'yes'.

Now frame the question a different way. "Do you support raising your taxes so that the government can pay for free,healthy lunches for all kids in school?" Most would say "no".

How you frame the question matters. Again doesn't matter that the article was an opinion piece. The question was misleading.

And I don't care about who Blum is. If you believe that Harvard using holistic admission to control the number of Jews was wrong, then the same applies to Asian Americans. It doesn't matter who is benefiting from the "holistic" admissions. Using race based admissions is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

No, most Asian Americans oppose any form of racial discrimination including AA.

- Asian American

You are incorrect. A large majority support AA.

http://aapidata.com/blog/affirmative-action-aavs-2022/

+1

Data will trump DCUM trolls every time.

There was a big survey done by actual academics that showed the way you ask the question DRAMATICALLY affects responses. Even most blacks do not support affirmative action when asked, "Do you support giving advantages in college admissions to people of certain races?" Affirmative Action is a very cleverly chosen Karl-Rove-esque whitewashing of what the true program does. The majority of americans of all races are AGAINST racial preferences in college admissions

+1 I posted the article about that question in the AAPI survey.

The question was phrased in such a way that it talked about "access" to education, not actual racial preference in college admissions. It was manipulative at best, deceitful at worst.

I don't know any Asian American who supports race based aa. SES based, yes, but not race based.

-Asian American

You’re lying. Look at the backlash to the new TJ admissions process.

I don't care about TJ. I don't live in VA. And TJ is not college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Universities should get out of the business of social engineering and teach to all and charge everyone the sane

This+1.

Universities have always been in the business of social engineering. You’re just upset that your kid isn’t guaranteed to benefit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

The AAPI survey that found this was misleadingI don't know a single Asian American who supports race based college admissions, and I am Asian American. I and many I know support SES/income based affirmative action, but not race based.

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/3886266-affirmative-misinformation-what-asian-americans-really-think-of-affirmative-action/

a closer look reveals that the AAPI Data’s survey questions intentionally incline respondents to express support for the controversial admissions policy, revealing more about the question Asian Americans were asked than the values they hold. The reality is that many Asian Americans are not as enthusiastic about racial preferences as AAPI Data and much of the media would like us to believe.

The question behind the statistic reads: “Do you favor or oppose affirmative action programs designed to help Black people, women and other minorities get better access to education?”

In every such survey, the “better access” question produced an overwhelmingly positive response — not only did over 60 percent of all respondents say they favored affirmative action, but so did a majority of each individual Asian-origin group.

In 2018 and 2016, however, AAPI Data included a second question about race-based college admissions on the AAVS, which read: “In general, do you think affirmative action programs designed to increase the number of Black and minority students on college campuses are a good thing or a bad thing?” The answers to that question tell an entirely different story.

In 2018, support for affirmative action among Asian Americans as a whole was 8 percentage points lower (58 percent) in response to the “increase the number” question than in response to its “better access” question (66 percent). In 2016, there was a 12 percentage-point gap — 64 percent support on the “better access” question but only 52 percent on the “increase the number” question. Moreover, in 2016, nearly two-thirds of Chinese American participants responded to the “increase the number” question by saying affirmative action is a “bad thing,” an instance of majority disapproval of the policy.

Citing an OPINION EDITORIAL i.e. Op-Ed or one person's opinion, to refute survey data that clearly indicate 50%+ AAPI support ( very worse case) for affirmative action is pretty lame.

Ed Blum has you right where he wants you: as a pawn.

It may be an opinion piece but the piece quotes the question in the survey.

It's like asking, "Do you support all children having access to healthy food?" Of course, 99% of people would say 'yes'.

Now frame the question a different way. "Do you support raising your taxes so that the government can pay for free,healthy lunches for all kids in school?" Most would say "no".

How you frame the question matters. Again doesn't matter that the article was an opinion piece. The question was misleading.

And I don't care about who Blum is. If you believe that Harvard using holistic admission to control the number of Jews was wrong, then the same applies to Asian Americans. It doesn't matter who is benefiting from the "holistic" admissions. Using race based admissions is wrong.

👍 +1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

The AAPI survey that found this was misleadingI don't know a single Asian American who supports race based college admissions, and I am Asian American. I and many I know support SES/income based affirmative action, but not race based.

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/3886266-affirmative-misinformation-what-asian-americans-really-think-of-affirmative-action/

a closer look reveals that the AAPI Data’s survey questions intentionally incline respondents to express support for the controversial admissions policy, revealing more about the question Asian Americans were asked than the values they hold. The reality is that many Asian Americans are not as enthusiastic about racial preferences as AAPI Data and much of the media would like us to believe.

The question behind the statistic reads: “Do you favor or oppose affirmative action programs designed to help Black people, women and other minorities get better access to education?”

In every such survey, the “better access” question produced an overwhelmingly positive response — not only did over 60 percent of all respondents say they favored affirmative action, but so did a majority of each individual Asian-origin group.

In 2018 and 2016, however, AAPI Data included a second question about race-based college admissions on the AAVS, which read: “In general, do you think affirmative action programs designed to increase the number of Black and minority students on college campuses are a good thing or a bad thing?” The answers to that question tell an entirely different story.

In 2018, support for affirmative action among Asian Americans as a whole was 8 percentage points lower (58 percent) in response to the “increase the number” question than in response to its “better access” question (66 percent). In 2016, there was a 12 percentage-point gap — 64 percent support on the “better access” question but only 52 percent on the “increase the number” question. Moreover, in 2016, nearly two-thirds of Chinese American participants responded to the “increase the number” question by saying affirmative action is a “bad thing,” an instance of majority disapproval of the policy.

Citing an OPINION EDITORIAL i.e. Op-Ed or one person's opinion, to refute survey data that clearly indicate 50%+ AAPI support ( very worse case) for affirmative action is pretty lame.

Ed Blum has you right where he wants you: as a pawn.

You don't get it, do you? We Asian Americans KNOW fully well Blum is using us as a pawn. Guess what, so does the left. The left pretends to include us but really only cares about their core vote banks - poor Blacks and poor Hispanics. If you'd read the threads on the AAP forums around the time TJ admissions were redone, you'd have seen the latent hatred people have for Asians (Jealousy, maybe?). Yeah.. we know when to allow someone to 'use' us as pawns and when not to. After all, we are smarter than you.

False... cherry-picked the top percentiles from huge populations and send them to the US where your kids are compared against the entire population. No, you aren't smarter. Just as tired of Asian racism on these boards as from other groups.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

The AAPI survey that found this was misleadingI don't know a single Asian American who supports race based college admissions, and I am Asian American. I and many I know support SES/income based affirmative action, but not race based.

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/3886266-affirmative-misinformation-what-asian-americans-really-think-of-affirmative-action/

a closer look reveals that the AAPI Data’s survey questions intentionally incline respondents to express support for the controversial admissions policy, revealing more about the question Asian Americans were asked than the values they hold. The reality is that many Asian Americans are not as enthusiastic about racial preferences as AAPI Data and much of the media would like us to believe.

The question behind the statistic reads: “Do you favor or oppose affirmative action programs designed to help Black people, women and other minorities get better access to education?”

In every such survey, the “better access” question produced an overwhelmingly positive response — not only did over 60 percent of all respondents say they favored affirmative action, but so did a majority of each individual Asian-origin group.

In 2018 and 2016, however, AAPI Data included a second question about race-based college admissions on the AAVS, which read: “In general, do you think affirmative action programs designed to increase the number of Black and minority students on college campuses are a good thing or a bad thing?” The answers to that question tell an entirely different story.

In 2018, support for affirmative action among Asian Americans as a whole was 8 percentage points lower (58 percent) in response to the “increase the number” question than in response to its “better access” question (66 percent). In 2016, there was a 12 percentage-point gap — 64 percent support on the “better access” question but only 52 percent on the “increase the number” question. Moreover, in 2016, nearly two-thirds of Chinese American participants responded to the “increase the number” question by saying affirmative action is a “bad thing,” an instance of majority disapproval of the policy.

Citing an OPINION EDITORIAL i.e. Op-Ed or one person's opinion, to refute survey data that clearly indicate 50%+ AAPI support ( very worse case) for affirmative action is pretty lame.

Ed Blum has you right where he wants you: as a pawn.

It may be an opinion piece but the piece quotes the question in the survey.

It's like asking, "Do you support all children having access to healthy food?" Of course, 99% of people would say 'yes'.

Now frame the question a different way. "Do you support raising your taxes so that the government can pay for free,healthy lunches for all kids in school?" Most would say "no".

How you frame the question matters. Again doesn't matter that the article was an opinion piece. The question was misleading.

And I don't care about who Blum is. If you believe that Harvard using holistic admission to control the number of Jews was wrong, then the same applies to Asian Americans. It doesn't matter who is benefiting from the "holistic" admissions. Using race based admissions is wrong.

-1

Long-winded nothingness.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

No, most Asian Americans oppose any form of racial discrimination including AA.

- Asian American

You are incorrect. A large majority support AA.

http://aapidata.com/blog/affirmative-action-aavs-2022/

+1

Data will trump DCUM trolls every time.

There was a big survey done by actual academics that showed the way you ask the question DRAMATICALLY affects responses. Even most blacks do not support affirmative action when asked, "Do you support giving advantages in college admissions to people of certain races?" Affirmative Action is a very cleverly chosen Karl-Rove-esque whitewashing of what the true program does. The majority of americans of all races are AGAINST racial preferences in college admissions

+1 I posted the article about that question in the AAPI survey.

The question was phrased in such a way that it talked about "access" to education, not actual racial preference in college admissions. It was manipulative at best, deceitful at worst.

I don't know any Asian American who supports race based aa. SES based, yes, but not race based.

-Asian American

You’re lying. Look at the backlash to the new TJ admissions process.

I don't care about TJ. I don't live in VA. And TJ is not college.

If you are that sheltered and ignorant, you shouldn't be posting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

The AAPI survey that found this was misleadingI don't know a single Asian American who supports race based college admissions, and I am Asian American. I and many I know support SES/income based affirmative action, but not race based.

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/3886266-affirmative-misinformation-what-asian-americans-really-think-of-affirmative-action/

a closer look reveals that the AAPI Data’s survey questions intentionally incline respondents to express support for the controversial admissions policy, revealing more about the question Asian Americans were asked than the values they hold. The reality is that many Asian Americans are not as enthusiastic about racial preferences as AAPI Data and much of the media would like us to believe.

The question behind the statistic reads: “Do you favor or oppose affirmative action programs designed to help Black people, women and other minorities get better access to education?”

In every such survey, the “better access” question produced an overwhelmingly positive response — not only did over 60 percent of all respondents say they favored affirmative action, but so did a majority of each individual Asian-origin group.

In 2018 and 2016, however, AAPI Data included a second question about race-based college admissions on the AAVS, which read: “In general, do you think affirmative action programs designed to increase the number of Black and minority students on college campuses are a good thing or a bad thing?” The answers to that question tell an entirely different story.

In 2018, support for affirmative action among Asian Americans as a whole was 8 percentage points lower (58 percent) in response to the “increase the number” question than in response to its “better access” question (66 percent). In 2016, there was a 12 percentage-point gap — 64 percent support on the “better access” question but only 52 percent on the “increase the number” question. Moreover, in 2016, nearly two-thirds of Chinese American participants responded to the “increase the number” question by saying affirmative action is a “bad thing,” an instance of majority disapproval of the policy.

I’m Asian American and I think holistic admissions which includes a consideration of race is fine.

Goody for you. You haven't been through the college admissions drama.

Different Asian American. My kid is a senior and has just completed the drama. I agree that holistic admissions with a consideration of race is fine. I get you disagree. But we are not a monolith. And many of us will have different positions than you.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

No, most Asian Americans oppose any form of racial discrimination including AA.

- Asian American

You are incorrect. A large majority support AA.

http://aapidata.com/blog/affirmative-action-aavs-2022/

+1

Data will trump DCUM trolls every time.

There was a big survey done by actual academics that showed the way you ask the question DRAMATICALLY affects responses. Even most blacks do not support affirmative action when asked, "Do you support giving advantages in college admissions to people of certain races?" Affirmative Action is a very cleverly chosen Karl-Rove-esque whitewashing of what the true program does. The majority of americans of all races are AGAINST racial preferences in college admissions

+1 I posted the article about that question in the AAPI survey.

The question was phrased in such a way that it talked about "access" to education, not actual racial preference in college admissions. It was manipulative at best, deceitful at worst.

I don't know any Asian American who supports race based aa. SES based, yes, but not race based.

-Asian American

You’re lying. Look at the backlash to the new TJ admissions process.

I don't care about TJ. I don't live in VA. And TJ is not college.

If you are that sheltered and ignorant, you shouldn't be posting.

So, because I don't care about TJ or live in VA, and I recognize that TJ is not a college, I'm sheltered? And you are calling me ignorant. LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

The AAPI survey that found this was misleadingI don't know a single Asian American who supports race based college admissions, and I am Asian American. I and many I know support SES/income based affirmative action, but not race based.

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/3886266-affirmative-misinformation-what-asian-americans-really-think-of-affirmative-action/

a closer look reveals that the AAPI Data’s survey questions intentionally incline respondents to express support for the controversial admissions policy, revealing more about the question Asian Americans were asked than the values they hold. The reality is that many Asian Americans are not as enthusiastic about racial preferences as AAPI Data and much of the media would like us to believe.

The question behind the statistic reads: “Do you favor or oppose affirmative action programs designed to help Black people, women and other minorities get better access to education?”

In every such survey, the “better access” question produced an overwhelmingly positive response — not only did over 60 percent of all respondents say they favored affirmative action, but so did a majority of each individual Asian-origin group.

In 2018 and 2016, however, AAPI Data included a second question about race-based college admissions on the AAVS, which read: “In general, do you think affirmative action programs designed to increase the number of Black and minority students on college campuses are a good thing or a bad thing?” The answers to that question tell an entirely different story.

In 2018, support for affirmative action among Asian Americans as a whole was 8 percentage points lower (58 percent) in response to the “increase the number” question than in response to its “better access” question (66 percent). In 2016, there was a 12 percentage-point gap — 64 percent support on the “better access” question but only 52 percent on the “increase the number” question. Moreover, in 2016, nearly two-thirds of Chinese American participants responded to the “increase the number” question by saying affirmative action is a “bad thing,” an instance of majority disapproval of the policy.

Citing an OPINION EDITORIAL i.e. Op-Ed or one person's opinion, to refute survey data that clearly indicate 50%+ AAPI support ( very worse case) for affirmative action is pretty lame.

Ed Blum has you right where he wants you: as a pawn.

It may be an opinion piece but the piece quotes the question in the survey.

It's like asking, "Do you support all children having access to healthy food?" Of course, 99% of people would say 'yes'.

Now frame the question a different way. "Do you support raising your taxes so that the government can pay for free,healthy lunches for all kids in school?" Most would say "no".

How you frame the question matters. Again doesn't matter that the article was an opinion piece. The question was misleading.

And I don't care about who Blum is. If you believe that Harvard using holistic admission to control the number of Jews was wrong, then the same applies to Asian Americans. It doesn't matter who is benefiting from the "holistic" admissions. Using race based admissions is wrong.

-1

Long-winded nothingness.

your post is nothingness.