USSC decision on AA expected next month

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

No, most Asian Americans oppose any form of racial discrimination including AA.

- Asian American

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

No, most Asian Americans oppose any form of racial discrimination including AA.

- Asian American

You are incorrect. A large majority support AA.

http://aapidata.com/blog/affirmative-action-aavs-2022/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

No, most Asian Americans oppose any form of racial discrimination including AA.

- Asian American

Oh how will we ever resolve this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

No, most Asian Americans oppose any form of racial discrimination including AA.

- Asian American

You are incorrect. A large majority support AA.

http://aapidata.com/blog/affirmative-action-aavs-2022/

+1

Data will trump DCUM trolls every time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

No, most Asian Americans oppose any form of racial discrimination including AA.

- Asian American

You are incorrect. A large majority support AA.

http://aapidata.com/blog/affirmative-action-aavs-2022/

+1

Data will trump DCUM trolls every time.

And given that it's an area of disagreement in the country the data can't reflect a "polite" answer like earlier PP noted as how do you decide which is polite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

No, most Asian Americans oppose any form of racial discrimination including AA.

- Asian American

You are incorrect. A large majority support AA.

http://aapidata.com/blog/affirmative-action-aavs-2022/

+1

Data will trump DCUM trolls every time.

There was a big survey done by actual academics that showed the way you ask the question DRAMATICALLY affects responses. Even most blacks do not support affirmative action when asked, "Do you support giving advantages in college admissions to people of certain races?" Affirmative Action is a very cleverly chosen Karl-Rove-esque whitewashing of what the true program does. The majority of americans of all races are AGAINST racial preferences in college admissions

[Anonymous]

Here is another poll showing that a majority of americans oppose racial preferences in admissions:

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/04/26/u-s-public-continues-to-view-grades-test-scores-as-top-factors-in-college-admissions/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

The AAPI survey that found this was misleadingI don't know a single Asian American who supports race based college admissions, and I am Asian American. I and many I know support SES/income based affirmative action, but not race based.

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/3886266-affirmative-misinformation-what-asian-americans-really-think-of-affirmative-action/

a closer look reveals that the AAPI Data’s survey questions intentionally incline respondents to express support for the controversial admissions policy, revealing more about the question Asian Americans were asked than the values they hold. The reality is that many Asian Americans are not as enthusiastic about racial preferences as AAPI Data and much of the media would like us to believe.

The question behind the statistic reads: “Do you favor or oppose affirmative action programs designed to help Black people, women and other minorities get better access to education?”

In every such survey, the “better access” question produced an overwhelmingly positive response — not only did over 60 percent of all respondents say they favored affirmative action, but so did a majority of each individual Asian-origin group.

In 2018 and 2016, however, AAPI Data included a second question about race-based college admissions on the AAVS, which read: “In general, do you think affirmative action programs designed to increase the number of Black and minority students on college campuses are a good thing or a bad thing?” The answers to that question tell an entirely different story.

In 2018, support for affirmative action among Asian Americans as a whole was 8 percentage points lower (58 percent) in response to the “increase the number” question than in response to its “better access” question (66 percent). In 2016, there was a 12 percentage-point gap — 64 percent support on the “better access” question but only 52 percent on the “increase the number” question. Moreover, in 2016, nearly two-thirds of Chinese American participants responded to the “increase the number” question by saying affirmative action is a “bad thing,” an instance of majority disapproval of the policy.

I’m Asian American and I think holistic admissions which includes a consideration of race is fine.

Goody for you. You haven't been through the college admissions drama.

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We’ve been through it multiple times including post COVID. Everyone gets in somewhere great.

+1. Once you realize the simple fact that there are not enough spaces at Elite schools (T25) for all the kids who want to attend and who are "qualified", and accept it's a lottery, then you can get into your 30-60 ranked schools with merit and be just as happy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

No, most Asian Americans oppose any form of racial discrimination including AA.

- Asian American

You are incorrect. A large majority support AA.

http://aapidata.com/blog/affirmative-action-aavs-2022/

+1

Data will trump DCUM trolls every time.

There was a big survey done by actual academics that showed the way you ask the question DRAMATICALLY affects responses. Even most blacks do not support affirmative action when asked, "Do you support giving advantages in college admissions to people of certain races?" Affirmative Action is a very cleverly chosen Karl-Rove-esque whitewashing of what the true program does. The majority of americans of all races are AGAINST racial preferences in college admissions

Yes, you can make statistics say whatever you want to support your views.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Universities should get out of the business of social engineering and teach to all and charge everyone the sane

This+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am so delighted to see the end of affirmative action. Just need to dump legacy and athletic preference.

+1. Yes. Dump both. Please.

[Anonymous]

Why don't you all just hold tight and come back here after it is released? That way you can cry or crow over what the court actually does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

No, most Asian Americans oppose any form of racial discrimination including AA.

- Asian American

You are incorrect. A large majority support AA.

http://aapidata.com/blog/affirmative-action-aavs-2022/

+1

Data will trump DCUM trolls every time.

There was a big survey done by actual academics that showed the way you ask the question DRAMATICALLY affects responses. Even most blacks do not support affirmative action when asked, "Do you support giving advantages in college admissions to people of certain races?" Affirmative Action is a very cleverly chosen Karl-Rove-esque whitewashing of what the true program does. The majority of americans of all races are AGAINST racial preferences in college admissions

+1 I posted the article about that question in the AAPI survey.

The question was phrased in such a way that it talked about "access" to education, not actual racial preference in college admissions. It was manipulative at best, deceitful at worst.

I don't know any Asian American who supports race based aa. SES based, yes, but not race based.

-Asian American

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

No, most Asian Americans oppose any form of racial discrimination including AA.

- Asian American

You are incorrect. A large majority support AA.

http://aapidata.com/blog/affirmative-action-aavs-2022/

+1

Data will trump DCUM trolls every time.

No, the AAPI survey twisted the question. Nuance is important. You are definitely not Asian American

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that Asian-American groups are already planning to celebrate the termination of AA. They wished that SCOTUS would issue the opinion in May, the AAPI Heritage Month. But no, SCOTUS won’t issue this landmark opinion until the end of the term in June. They regard this as the most significant civil rights victory by Asian-Americans since US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which ruled that anyone born in the US is a US citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

Most Asian Americans support AA, so your "celebration" thing is off base.

No, most Asian Americans oppose any form of racial discrimination including AA.

- Asian American

You are incorrect. A large majority support AA.

http://aapidata.com/blog/affirmative-action-aavs-2022/

+1

Data will trump DCUM trolls every time.

There was a big survey done by actual academics that showed the way you ask the question DRAMATICALLY affects responses. Even most blacks do not support affirmative action when asked, "Do you support giving advantages in college admissions to people of certain races?" Affirmative Action is a very cleverly chosen Karl-Rove-esque whitewashing of what the true program does. The majority of americans of all races are AGAINST racial preferences in college admissions

+1 I posted the article about that question in the AAPI survey.

The question was phrased in such a way that it talked about "access" to education, not actual racial preference in college admissions. It was manipulative at best, deceitful at worst.

I don't know any Asian American who supports race based aa. SES based, yes, but not race based.

-Asian American

You’re lying. Look at the backlash to the new TJ admissions process.