If you were to move to a new state for in-state options…

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Anonymous wrote:Applying to top state flagships in TX, CA, NC, FL, MI as a high school student living in a desirable urban or suburban area in that respective state is no easier than, say, applying to UVA from Arlington or McLean. Or applying to UMD out of Bethesda.

um, getting into UNC much easier in state than UVA in state Like 43.1 vs. 26.3

Not if you live in Chapel Hill, Durham, Cary, Raleigh or Charlotte.

This. I'm from Charlotte. My friends have the exact same complaints about getting their kids into UNC that we do about UVA (strong publics in wealthy areas have a different, higher, set of admission standards).

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DC! I’d rather have a ten-grand discount anywhere than in-state in just one state.

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Virginia. We’re in Maryland and my junior loves W&M. Of course, they’d probably hate it if we lived in Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:You want to game the system move to North Dakota or Wyoming

OK but then your grad school plans go to hell

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using the Cal State system. That's considered way below the U.C. system

“Way below” is an exaggeration. All of the UCs are pretty hard to get into now. In some fields it might even make more sense to go to a CSU.

Disagree. Anyone can walk into a Cal State. UCs? no.

Many of them have lower acceptance rates than Riverside & Merced.

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Anonymous wrote:You want to game the system move to North Dakota or Wyoming

OK but then your grad school plans go to hell

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using the Cal State system. That's considered way below the U.C. system

“Way below” is an exaggeration. All of the UCs are pretty hard to get into now. In some fields it might even make more sense to go to a CSU.

Disagree. Anyone can walk into a Cal State. UCs? no.

Definitely not for nursing!

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Anonymous wrote:Indiana for Indiana or Purdue.

But, Indiana.....

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Anonymous wrote:Florida or Georgia. Go somewhere that has free instates. I'm from Florida and Bright Futures covered nearly all of my tuition.

This thank god for republican governors

Unless you’re a woman or a student of course…

They don't get free tuition? Why is it that blue and purple states hate education?

States like FL and GA offered free tuition to improve attendance and increase the quality of their colleges. Blue states have plenty of qualified students trying to get into their colleges so they don’t have to do that.

UGA and GT have problems with attendance, who knew. Meanwhile,

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/13/business/economy/college-towns-economy.html

Hopefully, that article includes how the PA state schools in those small towns charge $10k+/year tuition. Same tuition as instate UMD, except you’d be going to California University of Pennsylvania. How’s that for value? The state is going to have to do something about this issue soon because it’s bleeding residents who go OOS to cheaper & better schools. Penn State & Pitt charging $20k/year tuition & offering zero financial aid isn’t great either in a state where the median HHI is around $45k/year in most of it. Neither school seems to care about attracting or serving instate students, though.

-PA native

What is up with that?! DH paid 15k a year for Penn State and that was 15 years ago. I was shocked because it was 4x pricier than my flagship college was even then. And I was from a much wealthier city/state.

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Anonymous wrote:California.

+1 best in state options. Tons of schools to choose from, and it's relatively inexpensive, though the col is expensive.

Typically, a state with *a lot* of really great in state options will have higher taxes. That's how the states pay for these great in state options.

Really? I'd probably put Texas right in line behind California with Virginia next. Neither are particularly high Tax. Connecticut and Massachusetts are very high tax and have relatively terrible offerings. The same goes for NJ and Illinois

TX does have a ton of state schools. Most only know and care about UT and A&M, MAYBE TX Tech?

That said, I wouldn't go anywhere near TX at this point and can't believe I was almost talked into moving there more than a decade ago. Their state legislature is BSC.

IMO, CA has way more decent in state options than VA or TX. Obviously, the larger states will have more options.

CA has 9 UCs, 23 CSUs, and at least half of those CSUs are pretty decent in state options. They have good ROI. So, you have 20 decent to great in state options.

I don't disagree. I had investigated several CSU campuses while helping my daughter research options. San Jose State seemed like a really nice place to go to school. San Diego State (in the National Championship game for basketball this year!) and Long Beach State are popular from what I can tell as well. That said, didn't the Cal States just recently announce no one from OOS would be considered?

But, speaking as a Californian, you really don't want your kid going to a Cal STate. You want them to go to a U.C. school and those are getting increasingly difficult to get into. The Cal States won't get you into a good grad school

Speaking as a Californian who was also on a graduate admissions committee for a top 5 grad school, this is 100% wrong. Every sentence is flat-out incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:You want to game the system move to North Dakota or Wyoming

OK but then your grad school plans go to hell

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using the Cal State system. That's considered way below the U.C. system

“Way below” is an exaggeration. All of the UCs are pretty hard to get into now. In some fields it might even make more sense to go to a CSU.

Disagree. Anyone can walk into a Cal State. UCs? no.

It is simply not true anymore that anyone can walk into a Cal State.

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Anonymous wrote:California.

+1 best in state options. Tons of schools to choose from, and it's relatively inexpensive, though the col is expensive.

Typically, a state with *a lot* of really great in state options will have higher taxes. That's how the states pay for these great in state options.

Really? I'd probably put Texas right in line behind California with Virginia next. Neither are particularly high Tax. Connecticut and Massachusetts are very high tax and have relatively terrible offerings. The same goes for NJ and Illinois

TX does have a ton of state schools. Most only know and care about UT and A&M, MAYBE TX Tech?

That said, I wouldn't go anywhere near TX at this point and can't believe I was almost talked into moving there more than a decade ago. Their state legislature is BSC.

IMO, CA has way more decent in state options than VA or TX. Obviously, the larger states will have more options.

CA has 9 UCs, 23 CSUs, and at least half of those CSUs are pretty decent in state options. They have good ROI. So, you have 20 decent to great in state options.

California is more than 6 times the size of Virginia and Virginia has at least 4 decent to great opinions, so proportionally CA is no different than VA

An ROI that is based on high salaries, but graduates are often living in areas with ridiculously high cost of living. So the ROI is inflated.

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Anonymous wrote:You want to game the system move to North Dakota or Wyoming

OK but then your grad school plans go to hell

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using the Cal State system. That's considered way below the U.C. system

Cal Poly & SJSU are not

and several other CSUs are considered pretty solid - Pomona, SDSU, Long Beach.

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Anonymous wrote:You want to game the system move to North Dakota or Wyoming

OK but then your grad school plans go to hell

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using the Cal State system. That's considered way below the U.C. system

“Way below” is an exaggeration. All of the UCs are pretty hard to get into now. In some fields it might even make more sense to go to a CSU.

Disagree. Anyone can walk into a Cal State. UCs? no.

Again with the exaggeration. You must be thinking it's 1988.

SLO - 33%
SDSU - 38%
Long Beach - 47%


GMU is like 90%
JMU is like 86%
VTech is like 57%

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Anonymous wrote:California.

+1 best in state options. Tons of schools to choose from, and it's relatively inexpensive, though the col is expensive.

Typically, a state with *a lot* of really great in state options will have higher taxes. That's how the states pay for these great in state options.

Really? I'd probably put Texas right in line behind California with Virginia next. Neither are particularly high Tax. Connecticut and Massachusetts are very high tax and have relatively terrible offerings. The same goes for NJ and Illinois

TX does have a ton of state schools. Most only know and care about UT and A&M, MAYBE TX Tech?

That said, I wouldn't go anywhere near TX at this point and can't believe I was almost talked into moving there more than a decade ago. Their state legislature is BSC.

IMO, CA has way more decent in state options than VA or TX. Obviously, the larger states will have more options.

CA has 9 UCs, 23 CSUs, and at least half of those CSUs are pretty decent in state options. They have good ROI. So, you have 20 decent to great in state options.

California is more than 6 times the size of Virginia and Virginia has at least 4 decent to great opinions, so proportionally CA is no different than VA

But VA doesn't have the second tier (between UC and Community College level) of Cal State schools. So the systems aren't comparable at all. Very few Virginia parents would want their kids to go to Cal Sate schools. That's where the kids who couldn't get into good four year schools go

If you call the top tier UVA, VT, W&M, JMU, GMU, then VCU, CNU, Mary Washington, Radford, Longwood, UDU, Norfolk State, Virginia State, VMI, and even UVA Wise slot in between the top and community college

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Anonymous wrote:VA for sure due to the amount and diversity of options.

+1 VA's system is unrivaled

Nope, CA is better. More choices. Yes, the state is bigger, but that's why there are more choices.

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Anonymous wrote:VA for sure due to the amount and diversity of options.

+1 VA's system is unrivaled

Nope, CA is better. More choices. Yes, the state is bigger, but that's why there are more choices.

The California colleges are better than the VA colleges. Just UCLA and Berkeley alone knock UVA out of the water. And then there's the others in CA which rival it.