Diversity, “Opportunity” and Inclusion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think for a minute......

You have been in a serious car accident and are raced to the hospital and need immediate surgery.
Would you prefer your surgeon be someone who graduated top of the class having demonstrated the knowledge and skills to practice medicine or a surgeon who was hired in order to meet a quota for diversity and inclusion and performed mediocre in medical school?

You are boarding a plane to jet off on vacation. Would you prefer your pilot be someone who graduated from flight school with an exemplary record of achievement and who has demonstrated expertise during the hours in flight training or would you prefer the pilot who was hired as a diversity hire and barely graduated from flight school?

Is it better to strive for merit and achievement or for diversity, equity and inclusion?

I definitely don't want a dermatologist operating on me if I get in a car accident. Also doesn't diversity hire in a medical context mean white people?

that's pretty good - well played

I want only East and South Indian doctors, please

[Anonymous]

Asian, not "Indian"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think for a minute......

You have been in a serious car accident and are raced to the hospital and need immediate surgery.
Would you prefer your surgeon be someone who graduated top of the class having demonstrated the knowledge and skills to practice medicine or a surgeon who was hired in order to meet a quota for diversity and inclusion and performed mediocre in medical school?

You are boarding a plane to jet off on vacation. Would you prefer your pilot be someone who graduated from flight school with an exemplary record of achievement and who has demonstrated expertise during the hours in flight training or would you prefer the pilot who was hired as a diversity hire and barely graduated from flight school?

Is it better to strive for merit and achievement or for diversity, equity and inclusion?

of course everyone knows the answer

but is afraid to say it

when the chips are down for our precious selves - WE ALL WANT MERIT

No you want the guy who got the job because he got into elite schools after his dad donated a lot of money and then he joined the white elite patronage network, joined all the right clubs, and kissed all the right asses. This is the originalist America that the Federalist Society worships. Merit has never even been in the room with privilege in this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think for a minute......

You have been in a serious car accident and are raced to the hospital and need immediate surgery.
Would you prefer your surgeon be someone who graduated top of the class having demonstrated the knowledge and skills to practice medicine or a surgeon who was hired in order to meet a quota for diversity and inclusion and performed mediocre in medical school?

You are boarding a plane to jet off on vacation. Would you prefer your pilot be someone who graduated from flight school with an exemplary record of achievement and who has demonstrated expertise during the hours in flight training or would you prefer the pilot who was hired as a diversity hire and barely graduated from flight school?

Is it better to strive for merit and achievement or for diversity, equity and inclusion?

of course everyone knows the answer

but is afraid to say it

when the chips are down for our precious selves - WE ALL WANT MERIT

No you want the guy who got the job because he got into elite schools after his dad donated a lot of money and then he joined the white elite patronage network, joined all the right clubs, and kissed all the right asses. This is the originalist America that the Federalist Society worships. Merit has never even been in the room with privilege in this country.

I want the guy, or girl, or whatever, who got the highest test scores, has the best teachers, the most demanding training, and excelled

Don’t give one single s*** what help they had getting in the door

[Anonymous]

Truth be told, though, I probably do want East Asians, not regular white folk - since they’re discriminated against in university admissions, they have to be even stronger academically than their peers of other races - probably shaping up the same way these days w the Jews, whose numbers have dropped in entering classes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think for a minute......

You have been in a serious car accident and are raced to the hospital and need immediate surgery.
Would you prefer your surgeon be someone who graduated top of the class having demonstrated the knowledge and skills to practice medicine or a surgeon who was hired in order to meet a quota for diversity and inclusion and performed mediocre in medical school?

You are boarding a plane to jet off on vacation. Would you prefer your pilot be someone who graduated from flight school with an exemplary record of achievement and who has demonstrated expertise during the hours in flight training or would you prefer the pilot who was hired as a diversity hire and barely graduated from flight school?

Is it better to strive for merit and achievement or for diversity, equity and inclusion?

of course everyone knows the answer

but is afraid to say it

when the chips are down for our precious selves - WE ALL WANT MERIT

No you want the guy who got the job because he got into elite schools after his dad donated a lot of money and then he joined the white elite patronage network, joined all the right clubs, and kissed all the right asses. This is the originalist America that the Federalist Society worships. Merit has never even been in the room with privilege in this country.

I want the guy, or girl, or whatever, who got the highest test scores, has the best teachers, the most demanding training, and excelled

Don’t give one single s*** what help they had getting in the door

Being a good surgeon or pilot or whatever is not just an academic exercise. Test scores are not the only or the best predictor of performance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think for a minute......

You have been in a serious car accident and are raced to the hospital and need immediate surgery.
Would you prefer your surgeon be someone who graduated top of the class having demonstrated the knowledge and skills to practice medicine or a surgeon who was hired in order to meet a quota for diversity and inclusion and performed mediocre in medical school?

You are boarding a plane to jet off on vacation. Would you prefer your pilot be someone who graduated from flight school with an exemplary record of achievement and who has demonstrated expertise during the hours in flight training or would you prefer the pilot who was hired as a diversity hire and barely graduated from flight school?

Is it better to strive for merit and achievement or for diversity, equity and inclusion?

of course everyone knows the answer

but is afraid to say it

when the chips are down for our precious selves - WE ALL WANT MERIT

No you want the guy who got the job because he got into elite schools after his dad donated a lot of money and then he joined the white elite patronage network, joined all the right clubs, and kissed all the right asses. This is the originalist America that the Federalist Society worships. Merit has never even been in the room with privilege in this country.

I want the guy, or girl, or whatever, who got the highest test scores, has the best teachers, the most demanding training, and excelled

Don’t give one single s*** what help they had getting in the door

Being a good surgeon or pilot or whatever is not just an academic exercise. Test scores are not the only or the best predictor of performance.

agree

that's why I mentioned training, and excelling - I could have been more specific though

I want the people their peers want - the pilot the other pilots want flying for them, the doctor the other doctors want advice from - I seriously doubt either of those crowds is assigning much value to melanin or chromosomes in that setting

[Anonymous]

I want the lady who was an Apache pilot, not one recruited into flying to help balance out the numbers - if there's only one of her for every 5 male Apache pilots, so be it

the idea that any given profession should mirror the racial & gender split of the overall population is just crazypants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want the lady who was an Apache pilot, not one recruited into flying to help balance out the numbers - if there's only one of her for every 5 male Apache pilots, so be it

the idea that any given profession should mirror the racial & gender split of the overall population is just crazypants

Except that's all just a lazy rhetorical truism. There is no such thing as a best pilot or best surgeon. There's best pilots and best surgeons for a particular situation. I wouldn't necessarily want the Air America guys to fly American Air. I don't want Ben Carson doing hernia surgery. I want the best option for the situation I am in. And the best person for each option varies widely. Casting a wider net for talent while still keeping standards strong enables us to maximize our range of specialized bests and expand the skillset of each profession.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think for a minute......

You have been in a serious car accident and are raced to the hospital and need immediate surgery.
Would you prefer your surgeon be someone who graduated top of the class having demonstrated the knowledge and skills to practice medicine or a surgeon who was hired in order to meet a quota for diversity and inclusion and performed mediocre in medical school?

You are boarding a plane to jet off on vacation. Would you prefer your pilot be someone who graduated from flight school with an exemplary record of achievement and who has demonstrated expertise during the hours in flight training or would you prefer the pilot who was hired as a diversity hire and barely graduated from flight school?

Is it better to strive for merit and achievement or for diversity, equity and inclusion?

of course everyone knows the answer

but is afraid to say it

when the chips are down for our precious selves - WE ALL WANT MERIT

No you want the guy who got the job because he got into elite schools after his dad donated a lot of money and then he joined the white elite patronage network, joined all the right clubs, and kissed all the right asses. This is the originalist America that the Federalist Society worships. Merit has never even been in the room with privilege in this country.

I want the guy, or girl, or whatever, who got the highest test scores, has the best teachers, the most demanding training, and excelled

Don’t give one single s*** what help they had getting in the door

Being a good surgeon or pilot or whatever is not just an academic exercise. Test scores are not the only or the best predictor of performance.

DP. How about most competent? That's all I want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think for a minute......

You have been in a serious car accident and are raced to the hospital and need immediate surgery.
Would you prefer your surgeon be someone who graduated top of the class having demonstrated the knowledge and skills to practice medicine or a surgeon who was hired in order to meet a quota for diversity and inclusion and performed mediocre in medical school?

You are boarding a plane to jet off on vacation. Would you prefer your pilot be someone who graduated from flight school with an exemplary record of achievement and who has demonstrated expertise during the hours in flight training or would you prefer the pilot who was hired as a diversity hire and barely graduated from flight school?

Is it better to strive for merit and achievement or for diversity, equity and inclusion?

of course everyone knows the answer

but is afraid to say it

when the chips are down for our precious selves - WE ALL WANT MERIT

No you want the guy who got the job because he got into elite schools after his dad donated a lot of money and then he joined the white elite patronage network, joined all the right clubs, and kissed all the right asses. This is the originalist America that the Federalist Society worships. Merit has never even been in the room with privilege in this country.

I want the guy, or girl, or whatever, who got the highest test scores, has the best teachers, the most demanding training, and excelled

Don’t give one single s*** what help they had getting in the door

Being a good surgeon or pilot or whatever is not just an academic exercise. Test scores are not the only or the best predictor of performance.

DP. How about most competent? That's all I want.

The point is that giving a shit about inclusion is not anti-merit. The assumption that the historically privileged people are inherently more deserving to control and lead everything is the problem. It’s why we have institutions and experts that commit catastrophic blunders because they don’t know how much they don’t know about the world outside their bubble. Inclusion doesn’t crash economies or start wars or mismanage emergencies. Well-educated elite experts in group think bubbles do that shit continually.

[Anonymous]

If giving a shit about inclusion does not require selectively reducing standards for certain applicants based on characteristics of theirs that are irrelevant to the job, then I’m totally cool with it

Everything above about specialization and fallibility is of course correct - just orthogonal to the issue of whether to tinker with workforce composition as an end in itself, to the detriment of qualifications

[Anonymous]

LOL. So, a change in verbiage will help?