Diversity, “Opportunity” and Inclusion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the problem is that you cannot have equality of outcome without using force - to get there and then to stay there

Why do you think democrats are constantly working to ban and confiscate guns?

Because their grand plans don't work without deception and the use of force on many fronts.

Typically useless comments when African Americans themselves are overly represented as the victims of gun crimes. I am confident that the MAGA idiots would be scared shitless if a group of African Americans wandered into their neighborhoods waiving AK-47s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is clever, but it’s dismissive of the very real problems of inequities built into the system.

I realize white people (it’s white men who came up with this) are tired of all this race talk, already, but systemic racism is a genuine problem. This is another example of thinking it’s OK to be born on third base and think you hit a triple.

FYI. Most white people were not born in third base.

That is true. Most weren’t.

However if people who are born on third base, the vast majority are white. Similarly more white people than people of color were born on second base. Etc.

This isn’t something shameful, btw. No one asks to be born. But refusing to recognize systemic advantages is deliberate ignorance which is shameful. Some people will be driven to take different action with that knowledge but why pretend not to even have it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is clever, but it’s dismissive of the very real problems of inequities built into the system.

I realize white people (it’s white men who came up with this) are tired of all this race talk, already, but systemic racism is a genuine problem. This is another example of thinking it’s OK to be born on third base and think you hit a triple.

Most white people are poor. But you knew that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is clever, but it’s dismissive of the very real problems of inequities built into the system.

I realize white people (it’s white men who came up with this) are tired of all this race talk, already, but systemic racism is a genuine problem. This is another example of thinking it’s OK to be born on third base and think you hit a triple.

Is it dismissive? unfortunately I think the word "equity" has come to mean that it is fine to have poor whites but not poor blacks. We need a word that says bias against anybody, even poor white males, is not allowed. A true equity. Our current system treats everybody who is not one of the new american oligarchs like slaves. If we raise all the poor, the non-whites will have a huge benefit. If we just make sure that non-white people have the correct proportion amoung the new american oligarches, will you be happy? I guess not.

[Anonymous]

Equality of outcomes between arbitrarily defined groups that differ in culture, history, & geographical distribution is an insane goal to start with

Nothing sane can come from it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is clever, but it’s dismissive of the very real problems of inequities built into the system.

I realize white people (it’s white men who came up with this) are tired of all this race talk, already, but systemic racism is a genuine problem. This is another example of thinking it’s OK to be born on third base and think you hit a triple.

FYI. Most white people were not born in third base.

Perhaps, but how do you explain the persistent wealth gap between Blacks and Whites in the US? "The net wealth of a typical Black family in America is around one-tenth that of a white family. A 2018 analysis of U.S. incomes and wealth concluded, “The historical data also reveal that no progress has been made in reducing income and wealth inequalities between black and white households over the past 70 years.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is clever, but it’s dismissive of the very real problems of inequities built into the system.

I realize white people (it’s white men who came up with this) are tired of all this race talk, already, but systemic racism is a genuine problem. This is another example of thinking it’s OK to be born on third base and think you hit a triple.

FYI. Most white people were not born in third base.

Perhaps, but how do you explain the persistent wealth gap between Blacks and Whites in the US? "The net wealth of a typical Black family in America is around one-tenth that of a white family. A 2018 analysis of U.S. incomes and wealth concluded, “The historical data also reveal that no progress has been made in reducing income and wealth inequalities between black and white households over the past 70 years.”

yes, so let's take ALL the people who are that poor and raise them up. It will mostly be people of color. That's fine. But why only raise up the very poor people of color? Why not bring all the poor up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the problem is that you cannot have equality of outcome without using force - to get there and then to stay there

Why do you think democrats are constantly working to ban and confiscate guns?

Because their grand plans don't work without deception and the use of force on many fronts.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is clever, but it’s dismissive of the very real problems of inequities built into the system.

I realize white people (it’s white men who came up with this) are tired of all this race talk, already, but systemic racism is a genuine problem. This is another example of thinking it’s OK to be born on third base and think you hit a triple.

FYI. Most white people were not born in third base.

Perhaps, but how do you explain the persistent wealth gap between Blacks and Whites in the US? "The net wealth of a typical Black family in America is around one-tenth that of a white family. A 2018 analysis of U.S. incomes and wealth concluded, “The historical data also reveal that no progress has been made in reducing income and wealth inequalities between black and white households over the past 70 years.”

yes, so let's take ALL the people who are that poor and raise them up. It will mostly be people of color. That's fine. But why only raise up the very poor people of color? Why not bring all the poor up?

I totally agree with you, PP, but we do not live in that kind of country. We do not live in a society that values the kind of safety net that comparable civilized countries have. Simply put, Americans do not want to pay the amount of taxes it would take to have the kind of society that raises everyone up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is clever, but it’s dismissive of the very real problems of inequities built into the system.

I realize white people (it’s white men who came up with this) are tired of all this race talk, already, but systemic racism is a genuine problem. This is another example of thinking it’s OK to be born on third base and think you hit a triple.

FYI. Most white people were not born in third base.

Perhaps, but how do you explain the persistent wealth gap between Blacks and Whites in the US? "The net wealth of a typical Black family in America is around one-tenth that of a white family. A 2018 analysis of U.S. incomes and wealth concluded, “The historical data also reveal that no progress has been made in reducing income and wealth inequalities between black and white households over the past 70 years.”

Because they were poor, their children stayed poor It is not like they were once equal and dropped down. We need to help all the poor. . It is the same with whites in Appalacia. They have a small fraction of the wealth of the people in the north east. While we systematically keep all the poor down, they will turn into essentially a modern slave class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the problem is that you cannot have equality of outcome without using force - to get there and then to stay there

Why do you think democrats are constantly working to ban and confiscate guns?

Because their grand plans don't work without deception and the use of force on many fronts.

1) no one has confiscated guns
2) people use guns to kill lots of other people. People who want to kill can still do so but the use of guns makes it easier to kill lots of people at one time as compared to say a brick or a knife.

[Anonymous]

Frankly, it should just be "M." Merit.
And, in order to do that successfully and STILL have a diverse workforce or representation, we need to do a much better job in K-12 education.
It actually starts in kindergarten - setting high expectations, providing quality instruction, and stop watering down the curriculum. The curriculum needs to be rigorous for ALL students and our expectations should be high regardless of gender or race.

I start from the following proposition: being female is not an accomplishment. My being female should play no role in my being hired for a job. Of course, my sex undoubtedly has made me the target of sex preferences on numerous occasions, thus casting doubt on any actual qualifications I might presume to possess.

My being female should be particularly irrelevant in a university. Until recently, universities were dedicated to the Enlightenment ideal of universal knowledge. A male Chinese engineer and a female Nigerian engineer may have no spoken language in common, but they can communicate through the universal languages of mathematics and physics. Whether the buildings they erect stand or fall depends not on their nationality or sex but on their mastery of engineering principles.

I will go further. Being black, gay, or gender-fluid are also not accomplishments, and should have nothing to do with faculty hiring or student admissions. The only thing that should matter when, say, a medical school hires a researcher in pancreatic cancer is whether that oncologist is the best in his field.

The diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) bureaucracy is the nemesis of the Enlightenment ideal of knowledge. It puts relentless pressure on every academic department to hire on the basis of race and sex, not on the basis of intellectual achievement. Every faculty search today is a desperate effort to find even remotely qualified minority or female candidates. Being female or a non-Asian minority confers an enormous advantage in the hiring and tenure process.

Yet despite this obsessive attention to diversity, many departments still do not pass the DEI proportionality test. So DEI bureaucrats are on a crusade to extirpate the sources of bias that allegedly stand in the way of proportional representation. Every colorblind objective test of academic skills—SAT, LSAT, or MCAT—is under attack as racist and is going down.

Consider Step One of the United States Medical Licensing Exam, which tests students’ knowledge of basic physiological processes. Step One changed to a pass-fail grading system last year because black and Hispanic students disproportionately got low scores, impeding their ability to land the residency of their choice. Whether the students who will now squeak by with a pass are the most qualified candidates for those residencies is of no interest to the gatekeepers.

Scientific institutions are now reformulating research priorities to increase the diversity of federal grant recipients. The National Institutes of Health has shifted funding from basic science to research on health disparities and racism simply because black scientists do more research on these race topics and less on pure science.

Reality check: the reason why colleges are not proportionally diverse has nothing to do with bias or exclusion. The reason is large racial differences in academic skills. This is an uncomfortable subject, and one that is taboo on college campuses, but if we are going to indict American universities and other institutions for systemic racism, we should get our facts straight.

In 2019, according to the National Assessment of Educational Progress, 66 percent of black twelfth-graders did not possess even partial mastery of basic twelfth-grade math skills, such as being able to perform arithmetical calculations or to recognize a linear function on a graph. Only 7 percent of black twelfth-graders were competent on those basic twelfth-grade math skills, and the number who were advanced was too small to show up statistically. The picture was not much better in reading.

In 2021, the American College Testing organization rated only 10 percent of black high school seniors as college ready, based on their combined math, general science, and reading scores on the ACT. Whites were five times as likely to be college ready.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/higher-ed-must-choose-merit-over-identity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Equality of outcomes between arbitrarily defined groups that differ in culture, history, & geographical distribution is an insane goal to start with

Nothing sane can come from it

And the comments from the loony left on this thread are:
- Eat the rich!
- Black people have to live in violent neighborhoods, but no mention of who the shooters are lol

[Anonymous]

Should we discriminate against all rich people including minorities?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should we discriminate against all rich people including minorities?

discriminate, no.
tax, yes.
put in lots of laws like anti-monopoly laws and laws against non-disclosure agreements that make having wealth less of an advantage (not no advantage, just less of an advantage): yes