Diversity, “Opportunity” and Inclusion

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Anonymous wrote:It is clever, but it’s dismissive of the very real problems of inequities built into the system.

I realize white people (it’s white men who came up with this) are tired of all this race talk, already, but systemic racism is a genuine problem. This is another example of thinking it’s OK to be born on third base and think you hit a triple.

FYI. Most white people were not born in third base.

Perhaps, but how do you explain the persistent wealth gap between Blacks and Whites in the US? "The net wealth of a typical Black family in America is around one-tenth that of a white family. A 2018 analysis of U.S. incomes and wealth concluded, “The historical data also reveal that no progress has been made in reducing income and wealth inequalities between black and white households over the past 70 years.”

Because they were poor, their children stayed poor It is not like they were once equal and dropped down. We need to help all the poor. . It is the same with whites in Appalacia. They have a small fraction of the wealth of the people in the north east. While we systematically keep all the poor down, they will turn into essentially a modern slave class.

The reason they were poor was because of a horrific practice in the former colonies and then the United States called “slavery”. They didn’t just happen to be poor through no external intervention. Having never been equal in the first place, never been allowed to benefit from generational wealth until the last 160 years— yes even the family farm in Appalachia is generational wealth— it is reasonable to create addition opportunities.

There were also hundreds of thousands who came to America through Ellis Island as penniless immigrants in the 1890s-1920s. And, there were many families who lost everything they had during the Great Depression and other events. It's rather presumptuous, perhaps even delusional, to go through life assuming every white American grew up in comfort and stability, and had vast generational riches handed to them.

white americans weren't lynched, didn't lose the ability to vote, didn't face red-lining, didn't have opportunity stolen from them, etc.

not the same

Um…white women couldn’t vote until decades after black men. Isn’t a person passed over for a position because of their skin color or gender having “opportunity stolen” from them?

[Anonymous]

"White Privilege."

This is an absolutely infuriating story. A black BLM activist named Zyahna Bryant falsely accused a white girl at UVA named Morgan Bettinger of wanting to run over BLM protesters while her car was surrounded by a mob at a BLM protest in the summer of 2020.

She was formally sanctioned by UVA, expelled in abeyance from the university, but two separate investigations concluded a year later that it never happened.

Zyahna went on to a successful career and glowing profiles in media outlets while Morgan's life was completely destroyed including her plan to attend law school. This also came 6 years after her father, a former police officer, died of cancer.

Is this the white privilege I hear so much about all the time?


**Another important thing to note: Bryant, after leading this mob against Bettinger and trying to ruin her life based on a seemingly false accusation, would later admit she might have misheard what Bettinger said.

[Anonymous]

Conservative lack introspection, Bigly.

[Anonymous]

Oh phuck the Daily Caller. That Greg Price tweet is highly dubious and not credible.

And how is the death of her father six years ago relevant to anything? People die.

I bet you think you had a gotcha, though, amrite? Does anyone with actual credibility confirm this never happened?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh phuck the Daily Caller. That Greg Price tweet is highly dubious and not credible.

And how is the death of her father six years ago relevant to anything? People die.

I bet you think you had a gotcha, though, amrite? Does anyone with actual credibility confirm this never happened?

Confirmation:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/uva-grad-recounts-huge-impact-blm-activists-racism-allegation-has-had-her-life
https://nypost.com/2023/04/29/blm-activist-ruined-white-university-of-virginia-students-rep/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12027497/BLM-activist-ruined-white-students-life-claiming-heard-threaten-kill-protesters.html

It must be miserable to go through life dismissing stories that are negative to your perception of the world and not have the resources to confirm such stories.
Try google sometime. It's easy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is clever, but it’s dismissive of the very real problems of inequities built into the system.

I realize white people (it’s white men who came up with this) are tired of all this race talk, already, but systemic racism is a genuine problem. This is another example of thinking it’s OK to be born on third base and think you hit a triple.

FYI. Most white people were not born in third base.

Perhaps, but how do you explain the persistent wealth gap between Blacks and Whites in the US? "The net wealth of a typical Black family in America is around one-tenth that of a white family. A 2018 analysis of U.S. incomes and wealth concluded, “The historical data also reveal that no progress has been made in reducing income and wealth inequalities between black and white households over the past 70 years.”

Because they were poor, their children stayed poor It is not like they were once equal and dropped down. We need to help all the poor. . It is the same with whites in Appalacia. They have a small fraction of the wealth of the people in the north east. While we systematically keep all the poor down, they will turn into essentially a modern slave class.

The reason they were poor was because of a horrific practice in the former colonies and then the United States called “slavery”. They didn’t just happen to be poor through no external intervention. Having never been equal in the first place, never been allowed to benefit from generational wealth until the last 160 years— yes even the family farm in Appalachia is generational wealth— it is reasonable to create addition opportunities.

There were also hundreds of thousands who came to America through Ellis Island as penniless immigrants in the 1890s-1920s. And, there were many families who lost everything they had during the Great Depression and other events. It's rather presumptuous, perhaps even delusional, to go through life assuming every white American grew up in comfort and stability, and had vast generational riches handed to them.

white americans weren't lynched, didn't lose the ability to vote, didn't face red-lining, didn't have opportunity stolen from them, etc.

not the same

Um…white women couldn’t vote until decades after black men. Isn’t a person passed over for a position because of their skin color or gender having “opportunity stolen” from them?

Jews, Arabs, Italians, Greeks, Turks, etc. were lynched in America, they did face red-lining. They did face employment and education discrimination. Not on the same level as African-Americans, but it absolutely did not happen. Don't have to deny someone else's history to amplify your own suffering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How should equity be defined? Equal results? Equal opportunity? Equal resources?

Here is the problem....the people who were brought here to serve in slavery have basically NEVER been given the same change/opportunity as white people, even white people whose families came to the US in the early 20th century. The ongoing discrimination based on skin color is real and ongoing, despite words on paper to the contrary.

Sure, there are thing like affirmative action which has worked for a relative handful of people to gain access to college and employment, but when you factor in the generational wealth accrued over centuries that has essentially be stolen, how exactly do you factor that in? And how to you factor in the ongoing hate and antipathy to people who's skin color has been radicalized as sub-human and inferior for centuries?

I am an immigrant who moved to the US in the 21st century. Where do I get my "exempt" badge absolving me of white guilt?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How should equity be defined? Equal results? Equal opportunity? Equal resources?

Here is the problem....the people who were brought here to serve in slavery have basically NEVER been given the same change/opportunity as white people, even white people whose families came to the US in the early 20th century. The ongoing discrimination based on skin color is real and ongoing, despite words on paper to the contrary.

Sure, there are thing like affirmative action which has worked for a relative handful of people to gain access to college and employment, but when you factor in the generational wealth accrued over centuries that has essentially be stolen, how exactly do you factor that in? And how to you factor in the ongoing hate and antipathy to people who's skin color has been radicalized as sub-human and inferior for centuries?

I don’t think that words on paper, as you call them, can be so easily trivialized and dismissed. Those words are things called laws. There are huge legal penalties for those who violate them. As for affirmative action, it’s use has been widespread and aggressive in academia for over 50 years, with positive results. It has also been used in public sector and private sector employment, also with positive results. The Supreme Court seems poised to end it for colleges, though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Make segregation great again.

Different course codes doesn't mean segregation; it's very possible that one course has two codes.

Nope.
They changed their course descriptions after the backlash.

[Anonymous]

Don’t take away affirmative action; I need that gravy train for my kids

[Anonymous]

Think for a minute......

You have been in a serious car accident and are raced to the hospital and need immediate surgery.
Would you prefer your surgeon be someone who graduated top of the class having demonstrated the knowledge and skills to practice medicine or a surgeon who was hired in order to meet a quota for diversity and inclusion and performed mediocre in medical school?

You are boarding a plane to jet off on vacation. Would you prefer your pilot be someone who graduated from flight school with an exemplary record of achievement and who has demonstrated expertise during the hours in flight training or would you prefer the pilot who was hired as a diversity hire and barely graduated from flight school?

Is it better to strive for merit and achievement or for diversity, equity and inclusion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Think for a minute......

You have been in a serious car accident and are raced to the hospital and need immediate surgery.
Would you prefer your surgeon be someone who graduated top of the class having demonstrated the knowledge and skills to practice medicine or a surgeon who was hired in order to meet a quota for diversity and inclusion and performed mediocre in medical school?

You are boarding a plane to jet off on vacation. Would you prefer your pilot be someone who graduated from flight school with an exemplary record of achievement and who has demonstrated expertise during the hours in flight training or would you prefer the pilot who was hired as a diversity hire and barely graduated from flight school?

Is it better to strive for merit and achievement or for diversity, equity and inclusion?

of course everyone knows the answer

but is afraid to say it

when the chips are down for our precious selves - WE ALL WANT MERIT

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think for a minute......

You have been in a serious car accident and are raced to the hospital and need immediate surgery.
Would you prefer your surgeon be someone who graduated top of the class having demonstrated the knowledge and skills to practice medicine or a surgeon who was hired in order to meet a quota for diversity and inclusion and performed mediocre in medical school?

You are boarding a plane to jet off on vacation. Would you prefer your pilot be someone who graduated from flight school with an exemplary record of achievement and who has demonstrated expertise during the hours in flight training or would you prefer the pilot who was hired as a diversity hire and barely graduated from flight school?

Is it better to strive for merit and achievement or for diversity, equity and inclusion?

of course everyone knows the answer

but is afraid to say it

when the chips are down for our precious selves - WE ALL WANT MERIT

And, this is why the whole DEI obsession is just FOS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think for a minute......

You have been in a serious car accident and are raced to the hospital and need immediate surgery.
Would you prefer your surgeon be someone who graduated top of the class having demonstrated the knowledge and skills to practice medicine or a surgeon who was hired in order to meet a quota for diversity and inclusion and performed mediocre in medical school?

You are boarding a plane to jet off on vacation. Would you prefer your pilot be someone who graduated from flight school with an exemplary record of achievement and who has demonstrated expertise during the hours in flight training or would you prefer the pilot who was hired as a diversity hire and barely graduated from flight school?

Is it better to strive for merit and achievement or for diversity, equity and inclusion?

of course everyone knows the answer

but is afraid to say it

when the chips are down for our precious selves - WE ALL WANT MERIT

And, this is why the whole DEI obsession is just FOS.

It’s like other religions

A set of maxims that must not be questioned - some of which make sense, some not

A caste of priests

Some true believers and lots who aren’t

Unfortunately for all of us it’s pretty aggressive with the proselytizing, and pretty intolerant of heretics

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Think for a minute......

You have been in a serious car accident and are raced to the hospital and need immediate surgery.
Would you prefer your surgeon be someone who graduated top of the class having demonstrated the knowledge and skills to practice medicine or a surgeon who was hired in order to meet a quota for diversity and inclusion and performed mediocre in medical school?

You are boarding a plane to jet off on vacation. Would you prefer your pilot be someone who graduated from flight school with an exemplary record of achievement and who has demonstrated expertise during the hours in flight training or would you prefer the pilot who was hired as a diversity hire and barely graduated from flight school?

Is it better to strive for merit and achievement or for diversity, equity and inclusion?

I definitely don't want a dermatologist operating on me if I get in a car accident. Also doesn't diversity hire in a medical context mean white people?