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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Harvard will fall out of top 10 unless they invest in STEM (CS) heavily for the next 10 years.


Harvard is already out of top 5 for many people.


Yes, right, and the evidence of that is their plummeting academic statistics for enrolled students, the precipitous drop in the number of applications, and the acceptance rate rocketing up.

/geez
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Elite:

HYPSM + Ivies
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Caltech
Johns Hopkins
Williams
Amherst

That's it. The rest of the top 20-30 are "top schools" but I would not categorize them as elite.


Skip Duke and Hopkins and I'll buy it.


and cmon folks, deep down no one really considers Williams or Amherst elite. Great schools but meh prestige. Williams alumns always have to
mention LAC ranking when explaining where they went


+100

A Williams vs say a Wesleyan degree does not really provide a significant advantage or disadvantage in 99% for post grad opportunities or situations. Except maybe if ur a lax bro, those guys take care of their own..

the focus on ranking is brutal for SLACs - but I kinda get it for national universities - don’t ask me why just my feeling
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Five seconds on this board indicates that “top colleges” are, actually, an obsession for so many people.


This thread has made me laugh so hard. Thanks all!


It is reductive Neanderthal behavior to take all the nuanced aspects of colleges and form a single ranking for the entire school, every department, every major and think it will be meaningful.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Five seconds on this board indicates that “top colleges” are, actually, an obsession for so many people.


This thread has made me laugh so hard. Thanks all!


It is reductive Neanderthal behavior to take all the nuanced aspects of colleges and form a single ranking for the entire school, every department, every major and think it will be meaningful.


These rankings started as a gimmick to sell magazines.
Anonymous
This discussion is moot anyway since it appears that no one can get accepted at the T15 anyway!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Harvard will fall out of top 10 unless they invest in STEM (CS) heavily for the next 10 years.


Harvard is already out of top 5 for many people.


Yes, right, and the evidence of that is their plummeting academic statistics for enrolled students, the precipitous drop in the number of applications, and the acceptance rate rocketing up.

/geez


This is turning out to be a great thread. It's high time people took a closer look at Harvard and Yale and their inexplicable rankings among the top 5 universities. Their mediocrity in STEM has already been noted. But take a gander at their freshman retention rates. Harvard is at 92 percent, which is below Auburn, Brandeis, and the Colorado School of Mines. Yale is even worse at 90 percent, which is worse than UC San Diego, the University of Dayton, and SUNY Stony Brook. Figures are from US News and World Report.

Tell me again why Harvard and Yale are considered top schools?

These lists are clearly composed by blue-haired wasps from the 1950s.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Elite:

HYPSM + Ivies
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Caltech
Johns Hopkins
Williams
Amherst

That's it. The rest of the top 20-30 are "top schools" but I would not categorize them as elite.


Remove Northwestern from "elite."


Then you need to eliminate half of the Ivy League schools, Johns Hopkins, Williams, & Amherst as well.


That’s the point isn’t it. Only several are really elite. The rest are good but not that meaningfully distinguishable from number 50+ ranked college.


Agree that. only a handful - 7? 6? - schools are truly "elite." Vehemently disagree that then means Duke = Lehigh. Just, no.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To me elite means if you want, you can get a your foot in the door in almost any career without too much difficulty based on the reputability of the degree/strength of the alumni base (and of course with some relevant skills on the kid’s behalf). I would say

Group 1: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton

Group 2: Yale, Duke, UPenn, Columbia, Caltech

Group 3: Dartmouth, Brown, Northwestern, UChicago, Johns Hopkins, Vanderbilt, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Pomona

Group 4: Georgetown, WashU, Notre Dame, etc…

Anything in the top 3 groups is probably fair to consider “universally elite” if one wants to be safe. Some may not know the LACs as well though so beware of that


What kind of ridiculous logic does it take to 1) tier elite colleges and then 2) decide yale is somehow in a second tier? Where is you logic, your metrics, your analytics? Oh, you don't have any and you pulled this right out of your a$$? Ok, makes sense now.

The whole thing makes NO sense and you should stop.


It’s fair to put Yale a tier lower honestly. The tier 1 schools excel across the board whereas Yale has been lacking in STEM for decades. Yale STEM is not bad by any means of course but not the best of the best like the rest of tier 1. This is also reflected by the fact that the tier 1 schools (HPSM) don’t have to offer any scholarships or special programs to recruit students. All of the tier 2 schools (including Yale) have special scholarship programs.


Harvard does not excel in STEM as well and thus the decline for the past decade or so. The decline may accelerate if the near future due to increasing importance of technology and STEM in general. I know someone who received both BS and MS in CS from Harvard and is working for Capitol One...


Harvard excels at math.
Anonymous
My definition is just the T15 schools:

HYPSM
Caltech
Columbia
Penn
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell
JHU
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My definition is just the T15 schools:

HYPSM
Caltech
Columbia
Penn
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell
JHU


Georgetown > Brown + Cornell
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:An objective indicator of elite status is a school's total endowment. The recently released (Feb., 2023) endowment figures show a decline from last year. The top 10 schools by total endowment are:

1) Harvard
2) Yale
3) Stanford
4) Princeton
5) MIT

6) U Penn
7) U Michigan
8) Notre Dame
9) Northwestern
10) Columbia

The next seven are:

11) WashUStL
12) Duke
13) Vanderbilt
14) Emory
15) U Virginia
16) Cornell
17) Johns Hopkins



Can you provide a link to this list? As of September of 2022. The University of Texas was on track to overtake Harvard for the largest endowment. How could UT fall out of the top ten in less than a year?

According to the American Council on Education, an endowment is “an aggregation of assets invested by a college or university to support its educational and research mission in perpetuity.”

Land operated by the University of Texas System yields an endowment asset of approximately $6 million per day. According to Bloomberg News, the university’s endowment is poised to surpass Harvard, which would render UT the wealthiest university in the world (it is currently in second place).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:An objective indicator of elite status is a school's total endowment. The recently released (Feb., 2023) endowment figures show a decline from last year. The top 10 schools by total endowment are:

1) Harvard
2) Yale
3) Stanford
4) Princeton
5) MIT

6) U Penn
7) U Michigan
8) Notre Dame
9) Northwestern
10) Columbia

The next seven are:

11) WashUStL
12) Duke
13) Vanderbilt
14) Emory
15) U Virginia
16) Cornell
17) Johns Hopkins



Can you provide a link to this list? As of September of 2022. The University of Texas was on track to overtake Harvard for the largest endowment. How could UT fall out of the top ten in less than a year?

According to the American Council on Education, an endowment is “an aggregation of assets invested by a college or university to support its educational and research mission in perpetuity.”

Land operated by the University of Texas System yields an endowment asset of approximately $6 million per day. According to Bloomberg News, the university’s endowment is poised to surpass Harvard, which would render UT the wealthiest university in the world (it is currently in second place).


The UT system was excluded because it is not a single school, but rather a state-wide system comprised of many schools.
Anonymous
Major matters much more.

UMD CS > Harvard English

Anonymous
The UT system was excluded because it is not a single school, but rather a state-wide system comprised of many schools.

Genuinely curious as to why that would exclude them from the list. I do know that the UT endowment funds supports all schools in the University of Texas System, not just Austin (UT-Dallas, UT - San Antonio, UT - El Paso, etc). As I said, according to the American Council on Education, an endowment is “an aggregation of assets invested by a college or university to support its educational and research mission in perpetuity.” Seems like UT fits that description. Either way, the UT endowment is enormous and is poised to overtake Harvard this year or the next.

On a side note, I'm not suggesting that Texas is an elite University. Some of the majors at the school fall into elite status but not the general school itself.

Just commenting on a previous post that stated a schools endowment makes it elite. I'm not sure that is the case.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My definition is just the T15 schools:

HYPSM
Caltech
Columbia
Penn
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell
JHU


Georgetown > Brown + Cornell


OK, sure, Gtown grad.
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