The Research on Various Childcare Options

[Anonymous]

I think the traditional pre-school model of 2 yo- 2 mornings a week, 3 year old, 3 mornings, etc is probably developmentally appropriate. We all work for 40 years now it seems like it should be much more reasonable to take 2-3 years off for early childcare.

I really liked the point about dads being just as good as moms at early care. Imagine if mom and dad each took a year off for their kid. If it was normalized in our work culture (like the ceo who climbs k2) instead of penalized. Kid starts preschool at 2. It would make a big difference in behavior outcomes I bet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the traditional pre-school model of 2 yo- 2 mornings a week, 3 year old, 3 mornings, etc is probably developmentally appropriate. We all work for 40 years now it seems like it should be much more reasonable to take 2-3 years off for early childcare.

I really liked the point about dads being just as good as moms at early care. Imagine if mom and dad each took a year off for their kid. If it was normalized in our work culture (like the ceo who climbs k2) instead of penalized. Kid starts preschool at 2. It would make a big difference in behavior outcomes I bet.

Also think how much cheaper daycare would be if it was only for 2+. I wish I could have taken a year or two off and been reasonably sure someone would hire me at the end of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These topics are difficult to discuss in mom forums (like this one) because people feel judged for the choices they make/made.

But let's assume you had access to any childcare option. There's no monetary constraint. You have loving grandparents who want to be caretakers for your infant. You have found the Mary Poppins of baby nannies and the cost is no big deal to you. How many would still choose center-based care for an infant?

Most of these findings line up with my intuitive feelings as a mom whose been through this a couple of times. But I didn't have infinite financial resources, we didn't have grandparents who lived nearby, the US does not grant a year or two years of parental leave, so we did the best we could.

I don't know, I mean I think there are valid questions to be asked about the research. I mean just saying that people don't want to hear what you are saying, doesn't make what you are saying right.

This whole thing about cortisol in kids in daycare strikes me as really disingenuous fearmongering. Cortisol levels vary based on sleep patterns. A lot of kids nap at daycare and don't nap at home. So if you compare weekday level cortisol level patterns to weekends (which is what most of the studies do), you'll see a difference. Is it because daycare is a dystopia of stressed out young children? Maybe but I'm not convinced. It's funny because one of the few studies that actually compares kids that stay at home to kids that go to daycare found that the kids at home had higher cortisol levels. Then suddenly they mention the benefits of daycare - consistent schedules - which are really good for young kids' stress levels.

Yep. In daycare my kid is constantly engaging with other kids and toys he doesn't have at home. At home he gets bored, asks me to be super engaged with playing with him all the time, and wants to watch TV and whines when I say no.

I hear what you’re saying, but my kid has a nanny and she takes him to multiple activities each week, the playground, recreation center, or library every day. He is pretty much always with other kids. I definitely don’t worry about him getting bored.

I see nannies around my neighborhood all the time and half the time they're just on their phone looking super bored while the kid(s) sit in the stroller.

Hopefully you found a good nanny!

PP. I did! Thanks for your concern!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the traditional pre-school model of 2 yo- 2 mornings a week, 3 year old, 3 mornings, etc is probably developmentally appropriate. We all work for 40 years now it seems like it should be much more reasonable to take 2-3 years off for early childcare.

I really liked the point about dads being just as good as moms at early care. Imagine if mom and dad each took a year off for their kid. If it was normalized in our work culture (like the ceo who climbs k2) instead of penalized. Kid starts preschool at 2. It would make a big difference in behavior outcomes I bet.

Also think how much cheaper daycare would be if it was only for 2+. I wish I could have taken a year or two off and been reasonably sure someone would hire me at the end of it.

I took a year off when my first was born and was fortunately able to jump back in pretty much where I left off, but it was stressful. I wish I could be working pt until my kid is in K, but I think I’d pay for it career-wise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen this article before? It reviews the latest
child development research on daycare vs. SAHP/nanny, and I was shocked by the results. Spoiler: daycare and SAHP/nanny are beneficial at different ages. And please heed the warnings at the beginning of the article and read it at your discretion.

https://criticalscience.medium.com/on-the-science-of-daycare-4d1ab4c2efb4

Disagree, all home daycares, and centers, all good for socialization for kids! Kids without socialization will suffer for a lifetime to be comfortable in social settings.

[Anonymous]

NP. Not very scientifically rigorous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These topics are difficult to discuss in mom forums (like this one) because people feel judged for the choices they make/made.

But let's assume you had access to any childcare option. There's no monetary constraint. You have loving grandparents who want to be caretakers for your infant. You have found the Mary Poppins of baby nannies and the cost is no big deal to you. How many would still choose center-based care for an infant?

Most of these findings line up with my intuitive feelings as a mom whose been through this a couple of times. But I didn't have infinite financial resources, we didn't have grandparents who lived nearby, the US does not grant a year or two years of parental leave, so we did the best we could.

I don't know, I mean I think there are valid questions to be asked about the research. I mean just saying that people don't want to hear what you are saying, doesn't make what you are saying right.

This whole thing about cortisol in kids in daycare strikes me as really disingenuous fearmongering. Cortisol levels vary based on sleep patterns. A lot of kids nap at daycare and don't nap at home. So if you compare weekday level cortisol level patterns to weekends (which is what most of the studies do), you'll see a difference. Is it because daycare is a dystopia of stressed out young children? Maybe but I'm not convinced. It's funny because one of the few studies that actually compares kids that stay at home to kids that go to daycare found that the kids at home had higher cortisol levels. Then suddenly they mention the benefits of daycare - consistent schedules - which are really good for young kids' stress levels.

Yep. In daycare my kid is constantly engaging with other kids and toys he doesn't have at home. At home he gets bored, asks me to be super engaged with playing with him all the time, and wants to watch TV and whines when I say no.

This doesn’t make me want to send my child to daycare. I’d be worried about the constant stimuli and noise. Your poor child never gets a break from other kids, movement, noise etc. I understand that kids have siblings but daycare is on another level. I’d be concerned if your child is acting like this at home. You can almost tell daycare kids because they are always work out and over stimulated.

There are Family daycares that has spaces/rooms for children that feel overstimulsted.

Shhh it's called the quiet rooms

Usually it has pillows, books, not much posters, it's a safe area. Parents finds Daycares that can help thier kids who has disabilities. Many providers are trained. Kids like adhd needs small groups or a nanny.

Normal people need a bit of peace in their days. Especially kids who have growing brains and are taking in everything. We have whole generations of kids who are overstimulated, completely reactive and not adequately rested and then we wonder why kids are so messed up?

Did you know Family Chikd Care homes and Child Care Centers have quiet rooms for kids who feel overstimulated?

Clearly you don't. Not every place is the same. Not every priest is a pedo.
Usually child abuse, sexual abuse happens more times in households and from a close relative

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the traditional pre-school model of 2 yo- 2 mornings a week, 3 year old, 3 mornings, etc is probably developmentally appropriate. We all work for 40 years now it seems like it should be much more reasonable to take 2-3 years off for early childcare.

I really liked the point about dads being just as good as moms at early care. Imagine if mom and dad each took a year off for their kid. If it was normalized in our work culture (like the ceo who climbs k2) instead of penalized. Kid starts preschool at 2. It would make a big difference in behavior outcomes I bet.

No. Children needs free play, free space to explore. 2 years is too young for so many academics. 3 and 4 years old is a good age for preschool.

Young children needs love, patience, nurture and hugs and an Early Educator(Provider) to help them to learn to regulate their emotions.

Academics is OK, anybody can do that in any age.
Learning good manners is most important. There's so many aholes adults

[Anonymous]

Ahole adult with no empathy

[Anonymous]

I met a baby who was at home all the time. Anything, even seeing people's faces would make that poor boy cry. Even other normal noises would make him cry. At home they are not learning a lot.

At home they don't have challenges to surpass, no cognitive development, those kids become antisocial.

[Anonymous]

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I met a baby who was at home all the time. Anything, even seeing people's faces would make that poor boy cry. Even other normal noises would make him cry. At home they are not learning a lot.

At home they don't have challenges to surpass, no cognitive development, those kids become antisocial.

So that would include the majority of people right here on DCUM because most were raised with stay at home moms or at least while they were infants and toddlers. Parents taking care of their own children is common and normal and does not typically damage children as you describe. You are in some kind of serious denial about reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I met a baby who was at home all the time. Anything, even seeing people's faces would make that poor boy cry. Even other normal noises would make him cry. At home they are not learning a lot.

At home they don't have challenges to surpass, no cognitive development, those kids become antisocial.

So that would include the majority of people right here on DCUM because most were raised with stay at home moms or at least while they were infants and toddlers. Parents taking care of their own children is common and normal and does not typically damage children as you describe. You are in some kind of serious denial about reality.

Just like many families used Family Daycares and their children turned out fine. See?

Not everyone is the same. Not everyone has the adhd genes. It's usually the Dad to passes down that and most adhd kids are girls

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I met a baby who was at home all the time. Anything, even seeing people's faces would make that poor boy cry. Even other normal noises would make him cry. At home they are not learning a lot.

At home they don't have challenges to surpass, no cognitive development, those kids become antisocial.

So that would include the majority of people right here on DCUM because most were raised with stay at home moms or at least while they were infants and toddlers. Parents taking care of their own children is common and normal and does not typically damage children as you describe. You are in some kind of serious denial about reality.

Just like many families used Family Daycares and their children turned out fine. See?

Not everyone is the same. Not everyone has the adhd genes. It's usually the Dad to passes down that and most adhd kids are girls

Turn on the screen. You are talking to yourself again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I met a baby who was at home all the time. Anything, even seeing people's faces would make that poor boy cry. Even other normal noises would make him cry. At home they are not learning a lot.

At home they don't have challenges to surpass, no cognitive development, those kids become antisocial.

So that would include the majority of people right here on DCUM because most were raised with stay at home moms or at least while they were infants and toddlers. Parents taking care of their own children is common and normal and does not typically damage children as you describe. You are in some kind of serious denial about reality.

Turn on the screen. You are talking to yourself again and again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These topics are difficult to discuss in mom forums (like this one) because people feel judged for the choices they make/made.

But let's assume you had access to any childcare option. There's no monetary constraint. You have loving grandparents who want to be caretakers for your infant. You have found the Mary Poppins of baby nannies and the cost is no big deal to you. How many would still choose center-based care for an infant?

Most of these findings line up with my intuitive feelings as a mom whose been through this a couple of times. But I didn't have infinite financial resources, we didn't have grandparents who lived nearby, the US does not grant a year or two years of parental leave, so we did the best we could.

I don't know, I mean I think there are valid questions to be asked about the research. I mean just saying that people don't want to hear what you are saying, doesn't make what you are saying right.

This whole thing about cortisol in kids in daycare strikes me as really disingenuous fearmongering. Cortisol levels vary based on sleep patterns. A lot of kids nap at daycare and don't nap at home. So if you compare weekday level cortisol level patterns to weekends (which is what most of the studies do), you'll see a difference. Is it because daycare is a dystopia of stressed out young children? Maybe but I'm not convinced. It's funny because one of the few studies that actually compares kids that stay at home to kids that go to daycare found that the kids at home had higher cortisol levels. Then suddenly they mention the benefits of daycare - consistent schedules - which are really good for young kids' stress levels.

Yep. In daycare my kid is constantly engaging with other kids and toys he doesn't have at home. At home he gets bored, asks me to be super engaged with playing with him all the time, and wants to watch TV and whines when I say no.

This doesn’t make me want to send my child to daycare. I’d be worried about the constant stimuli and noise. Your poor child never gets a break from other kids, movement, noise etc. I understand that kids have siblings but daycare is on another level. I’d be concerned if your child is acting like this at home. You can almost tell daycare kids because they are always work out and over stimulated.

There are Family daycares that has spaces/rooms for children that feel overstimulsted.

Shhh it's called the quiet rooms

Usually it has pillows, books, not much posters, it's a safe area. Parents finds Daycares that can help thier kids who has disabilities. Many providers are trained. Kids like adhd needs small groups or a nanny.

Normal people need a bit of peace in their days. Especially kids who have growing brains and are taking in everything. We have whole generations of kids who are overstimulated, completely reactive and not adequately rested and then we wonder why kids are so messed up?

Did you know Family Chikd Care homes and Child Care Centers have quiet rooms for kids who feel overstimulated?

Clearly you don't. Not every place is the same. Not every priest is a pedo.
Usually child abuse, sexual abuse happens more times in households and from a close relative

You don’t know much about kids. There’s overstimulated and freaking out and there’s the kid who is overstimulated in that they are on the receiving end of constant stimuli. Just because the kid isn’t melting down doesn’t mean it isn’t good for them. Their brains are literally being wired and they need time to process everything they are taking in. If you don’t do this you see what we are seeing more and more in schools - kids who can’t self regulate, kids who cannot create, kids who cannot be still or alone.