Big game? Who cares - The NFL, and football in general is worthless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recent findings(2/6/2023):

Researchers Find CTE in 345 of 376 Former NFL Players Studied

The Boston University CTE Center announced today that they have now diagnosed 345 former NFL players with chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) out of 376 former players studied (91.7 percent). Among those diagnosed in the last year are two former players who once represented the teams paired in this Sunday’s Super Bowl LVII matchup – former Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Rick Arrington, who played three seasons for the Eagles from 1970-73, and former Kansas City Chiefs defensive tackle Ed Lothamer, who played for the Chiefs in the very first Super Bowl and was a member of their winning team in Super Bowl IV.

For comparison, a 2018 Boston University study of 164 brains of men and women donated to the Framingham Heart Study found that only 1 of 164 (0.6 percent) had CTE. The lone CTE case was a former college football player. The extremely low population rate of CTE is in line with similar studies from brain banks in Austria, Australia and Brazil.

[...]

More:

https://www.bumc.bu.edu/busm/2023/02/06/researchers-find-cte-in-345-of-376-former-nfl-players-studied/

Brain damage and an early death in exchange for your loved ones never having to worry about money is a choice that a lot of people will continue to make

I don't think you really understand how much money would be needed to meet this condition vs. how much the vast majority end up accruing in their careers.

The question isn't what the vast majority actually make, but what the vast majority think they will make. The gamble that they make is based on expectations, not reality

[Anonymous]

The NFL should be very careful and learn from the NBA where ratings are terrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The NFL should be very careful and learn from the NBA where ratings are terrible.

? The playoff ratings this year are great and they're about to sign massive new national TV deals

[Anonymous]

I don't think you really understand how much money would be needed to meet this condition vs. how much the vast majority end up accruing in their careers.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recent findings(2/6/2023):

Researchers Find CTE in 345 of 376 Former NFL Players Studied

The Boston University CTE Center announced today that they have now diagnosed 345 former NFL players with chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) out of 376 former players studied (91.7 percent). Among those diagnosed in the last year are two former players who once represented the teams paired in this Sunday’s Super Bowl LVII matchup – former Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Rick Arrington, who played three seasons for the Eagles from 1970-73, and former Kansas City Chiefs defensive tackle Ed Lothamer, who played for the Chiefs in the very first Super Bowl and was a member of their winning team in Super Bowl IV.

For comparison, a 2018 Boston University study of 164 brains of men and women donated to the Framingham Heart Study found that only 1 of 164 (0.6 percent) had CTE. The lone CTE case was a former college football player. The extremely low population rate of CTE is in line with similar studies from brain banks in Austria, Australia and Brazil.

[...]

More:

https://www.bumc.bu.edu/busm/2023/02/06/researchers-find-cte-in-345-of-376-former-nfl-players-studied/

Brain damage and an early death in exchange for your loved ones never having to worry about money is a choice that a lot of people will continue to make

The question isn't what the vast majority actually make, but what the vast majority think they will make. The gamble that they make is based on expectations, not reality

I don't disagree with this and these two statements are not in conflict. But, that's not the previous poster's contention/argument(which was wrong).

[Anonymous]

Some discussion on why youth football isn't very popular in the DMV:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/0/1134530.page#25059457

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The whole enterprise leverages historical racist plantation construct and is, in and of itself, systemically racist, exploitative, and most of all, detrimental to the long term health and brain health to mostly minorities who play.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/league-ofGaslight.

ff the NFL

Whereas blacks comprise roughly 13% of the population in the USA overall, they make up 70% of the NFL.

If we look at the makeup of positions, Center and QB are really the only positions that are more "white" as a percentage.

https://theundefeated.com/features/the-nfls-racial-divide/

There are now about one third of the teams with starting QBs who are black(up from 5 in 2017) but this still then begs the question of the imbalance of ownership, leadership and management vis-a-vis the player makeup.

So, even given the health repercussions of the game, one could possibly make an argument in its favor if the ownership, leadership and management looked even just a hint of what the player makeup looks like, since there is real danger and detriment to long-term health and brain health/function for those who step on the field. But it doesn't . Not even close:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nfl-racial-divide-one-chart-154059660.html

There is another aspect to this that I won't get into in detail but that is Government "promotion" of this morally corrupt enterprise through favorable tax code, tax incentives and other regulation and zoning.

Another related discussion/debate would be the big business of College Football and its exploitation of minorities vs. the risks of health and brain health as discussed above and how they(and indirectly state governments via tax dollars) subsidize the NFL.

I don't have a solution to propose. Personally, I think that the NFL/Football as it currently exists is dying. It's decline or evolution may be decades in the making but it will need to change drastically or become extinct. I think this is something that people should be aware of but I find in discussing it, most people really haven't given this much thought.

What say you, DCUM?




zyxt

Not many white families are willing to put their children through what's needed to go pro. Not just physically, but being passed on by the coaches and trainers along the way. White families see their children getting ahead through other means. They don't see them singing for their suppers anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The whole enterprise leverages historical racist plantation construct and is, in and of itself, systemically racist, exploitative, and most of all, detrimental to the long term health and brain health to mostly minorities who play.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/league-of-denial/

Eff the NFL

Whereas blacks comprise roughly 13% of the population in the USA overall, they make up 70% of the NFL.

If we look at the makeup of positions, Center and QB are really the only positions that are more "white" as a percentage.

https://theundefeated.com/features/the-nfls-racial-divide/

There are now about one third of the teams with starting QBs who are black(up from 5 in 2017) but this still then begs the question of the imbalance of ownership, leadership and management vis-a-vis the player makeup.

So, even given the health repercussions of the game, one could possibly make an argument in its favor if the ownership, leadership and management looked even just a hint of what the player makeup looks like, since there is real danger and detriment to long-term health and brain health/function for those who step on the field. But it doesn't . Not even close:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nfl-racial-divide-one-chart-154059660.html

There is another aspect to this that I won't get into in detail but that is Government "promotion" of this morally corrupt enterprise through favorable tax code, tax incentives and other regulation and zoning.

Another related discussion/debate would be the big business of College Football and its exploitation of minorities vs. the risks of health and brain health as discussed above and how they(and indirectly state governments via tax dollars) subsidize the NFL.

I don't have a solution to propose. Personally, I think that the NFL/Football as it currently exists is dying. It's decline or evolution may be decades in the making but it will need to change drastically or become extinct. I think this is something that people should be aware of but I find in discussing it, most people really haven't given this much thought.

What say you, DCUM?




zyxt

It's incredible that in this day and age, the NFL would even attempt such a racist stunt:

PHILADELPHIA —

Black retired football players who were denied payments for dementia in the NFL’s $1-billion concussion settlement can seek to be retested or have their claims rescored to eliminate racial bias in the testing and payout formula, under a revised plan finalized Friday.

Outrage over the use of “race-norming” in the dementia testing — which assumed that Black people have a lower cognitive baseline score, making it harder for them to show mental declines linked to football — forced the NFL and players’ lawyers back to the negotiating table last year. [...]

more:

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2022-03-04/nfl-concussion-settlement-racial-bias-testing-payout-judge-new-rules

[Anonymous]

Op, I'm not an NFL fan. Please though, stop the ranting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op, I'm not an NFL fan. Please though, stop the ranting.

What are calling "ranting" in this thread?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Personally I think the players should revolt.

Why are they still letting old white dudes tell them what to do?

Black coaches? Not many.

UGH

3 Black head coaches in the NFL. It's criminal given the makeup of the players.

NFL coaches usually have college coaching experience, & it’s hard to get college coaching experience without a degree. Black football players have a significantly lower graduation rate. Fix that & your argument will be stronger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:enjoy the bookstore on Sunday and I hope they don't mess up your tea order.

So you have nothing - I acknowledge your surrender and you are dismissed.

Aww, you really thought you did something here. It’s cute and sad at the same time. NP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

T

I don't have a solution to propose. Personally, I think that the NFL/Football as it currently exists is dying. It's decline or evolution may be decades in the making but it will need to change drastically or become extinct. I think this is something that people should be aware of but I find in discussing it, most people really haven't given this much thought.

What say you, DCUM?

It does not appear to be dying. In fact, it appears to be absolutely dominating the sport the landscape in America. 93 out of 100, and that's not even including the college game

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

T

I don't have a solution to propose. Personally, I think that the NFL/Football as it currently exists is dying. It's decline or evolution may be decades in the making but it will need to change drastically or become extinct. I think this is something that people should be aware of but I find in discussing it, most people really haven't given this much thought.

What say you, DCUM?

It does not appear to be dying. In fact, it appears to be absolutely dominating the sport the landscape in America. 93 out of 100, and that's not even including the college game

That is temporary... the "here and now".

The pipeline is drying up. Youth participation in tackle football is down overall over the past decade. The only region where it isn't in drastic decline, unsurprisingly, is the south.

There are only 2 states that saw an increase: Alabama and Mississippi.

Even Texas, a "football" state saw a decline in youth participation in tackle football over the past decade.

So while there are clearly people who still watch it, old habits die hard, it is clearly in decline... perhaps not a rapid decline but a decline nonetheless. There is just too much awareness about the CTE and the detriment to long-term brain health and more educated and informed people are not subjecting their sons to this. There will be a lag in poorer and southern states/areas but eventually they will understand the risk and will make more informed decisions.

[Anonymous]

Based on recent research, over 90% of those who played in the NFL suffer the effects of CTE.


Researchers Find CTE in 345 of 376 Former NFL Players Studied

The Boston University CTE Center announced today that they have now diagnosed 345 former NFL players with chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) out of 376 former players studied (91.7 percent). Among those diagnosed in the last year are two former players who once represented the teams paired in this Sunday’s Super Bowl LVII matchup – former Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Rick Arrington, who played three seasons for the Eagles from 1970-73, and former Kansas City Chiefs defensive tackle Ed Lothamer, who played for the Chiefs in the very first Super Bowl and was a member of their winning team in Super Bowl IV.

For comparison, a 2018 Boston University study of 164 brains of men and women donated to the Framingham Heart Study found that only 1 of 164 (0.6 percent) had CTE. The lone CTE case was a former college football player. The extremely low population rate of CTE is in line with similar studies from brain banks in Austria, Australia and Brazil.

more:

https://www.bumc.bu.edu/camed/2023/02/06/researchers-find-cte-in-345-of-376-former-nfl-players-studied/

[Anonymous]

Not just those who have long career in tackle football, research is show compromised brain health in children who have played tackle football for only a short time.

Playing Youth Tackle Football Is Linked to Earlier Symptoms of Brain Disease

Playing football professionally has been linked to chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), a degenerative brain disease. But what happens to children who start the sport early, before they even turn 12?

That’s the question neuropathologist Dr. Ann McKee, whose groundbreaking work on CTE ( see: http://time.com/collection/most-influential-people-2018/5217563/ann-mckee/ ) has uncovered the neurological risks of playing football, set out to answer in a new study published in the Annals of Neurology( see: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ana.25245 ). In her team’s analysis of the brains of 211 deceased football players who had been diagnosed with CTE, along with detailed behavioral questionnaires filled out by their relatives and interviews with family members, McKee expected to find more severe signs of the condition in people who started the game young. These would be visible in more pronounced deposits of tau protein, which kills brain cells, in the brains of men who sustained hundreds — if not thousands — of extra head impacts as children.

To McKee’s great surprise, however, early exposure to tackle football was not associated with more severe signs of CTE, or other brain diseases like Alzheimer’s. Instead, she found something perhaps even more disturbing. Football players who played tackle football as children suffered the devastating symptoms of brain disease, like cognitive impairment and mood swings, earlier in their lives. [...]

More:

https://time.com/5258406/cte-youth-tackle-football/

http://time.com/collection/most-influential-people-2018/5217563/ann-mckee/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ana.25245