Teacher fired, charged with rape at gilman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have been anonymous allegations that administration knew about babysitting/driving, but no actual proof or any credible non-anonymous claims. That would be damning if it were true, but at this point, all we have are anonymous assertions.

He had been supplying the boys with alcohol. Anyone who believes no one on the school staff had a clue is naive, to say the least. He forced the boys to run naked in the park. He had showers with the boys.

And you believe that he was doing these things in the view of, and with the knowledge of, other staff members? Not that he had taken steps to conceal his actions? That seems… unlikely.

Look, when a successful bastion of privilege like Gilman has something awful like this happen, the schadenfreude is real and rampant. But the truth is that it could happen anywhere, and has, and will. If someone actually has knowledge that the school was aware of it before they reported him, of course, that’s culpable. But I haven’t heard anything but people saying that they “must have known”. No, abusers don’t abuse out in the open, and they take measures to conceal their actions. I will blame Gilman if it turns out that they verifiably didn’t know about it and didn’t protect students, or if their response is tepid and down plays the severity of what happens. Neither of these has happened (yet?)

The overnight babysitting and being paid to drive kids around was well known. He worked for literally dozens of Gilman families.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]the school is holding a virtual town hall tomorrow night to talk about the issue. sounds underwhelming. [/quote]

Really? I don't think so. What would you have them do? This way, the school can communicate directly and hear concerns from the whole school community. Not sure what makes this so underwhelming.[/quote]

Agree - I am glad they will be on a town hall with me this week and I expect them to tell me the steps they are taking etc. on this issue as it is a catastrophic institutional failure, considering they did a "deep dive" thorough investigation just a year or two ago ..
and dont give me the "it can happen anywhere" crap - it is happening at Gilman over and over and over.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]the school is holding a virtual town hall tomorrow night to talk about the issue. sounds underwhelming. [/quote]

Really? I don't think so. What would you have them do? This way, the school can communicate directly and hear concerns from the whole school community. Not sure what makes this so underwhelming.[/quote]

Agree - I am glad they will be on a town hall with me this week and I expect them to tell me the steps they are taking etc. on this issue as it is a catastrophic institutional failure, considering they did a "deep dive" thorough investigation just a year or two ago ..
and dont give me the "it can happen anywhere" crap - [b]it is happening at Gilman over and over and over.[/b] [/quote]

+1 This is the issue. Yes, it can happen anywhere but when it happens repeatedly at the same place, it is an institutional problem. I hope Gilman parents get answers and learn how the school plans to keep their students safe.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]the school is holding a virtual town hall tomorrow night to talk about the issue. sounds underwhelming. [/quote]

Really? I don't think so. What would you have them do? This way, the school can communicate directly and hear concerns from the whole school community. Not sure what makes this so underwhelming.[/quote]

Agree - I am glad they will be on a town hall with me this week and I expect them to tell me the steps they are taking etc. on this issue as it is a catastrophic institutional failure, considering they did a "deep dive" thorough investigation just a year or two ago ..
and dont give me the "it can happen anywhere" crap - [b]it is happening at Gilman over and over and over.[/b] [/quote]

+1 This is the issue. Yes, it can happen anywhere but when it happens repeatedly at the same place, it is an institutional problem. I hope Gilman parents get answers and learn how the school plans to keep their students safe. [/quote]

DW and I were appalled at having to submit questions ahead of time under the guise of logistical ease. It's a way for them to filter out the tough questions via their lawyers and soft ball more bs at us.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]the school is holding a virtual town hall tomorrow night to talk about the issue. sounds underwhelming. [/quote]

Really? I don't think so. What would you have them do? This way, the school can communicate directly and hear concerns from the whole school community. Not sure what makes this so underwhelming.[/quote]

Agree - I am glad they will be on a town hall with me this week and I expect them to tell me the steps they are taking etc. on this issue as it is a catastrophic institutional failure, considering they did a "deep dive" thorough investigation just a year or two ago ..
and dont give me the "it can happen anywhere" crap - [b]it is happening at Gilman over and over and over.[/b] [/quote]

+1 This is the issue. Yes, it can happen anywhere but when it happens repeatedly at the same place, it is an institutional problem. I hope Gilman parents get answers and learn how the school plans to keep their students safe. [/quote]

DW and I were appalled at having to submit questions ahead of time under the guise of logistical ease. It's a way for them to filter out the tough questions via their lawyers and soft ball more bs at us. [/quote]

Every town hall meeting I’ve been to has asked this.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]the school is holding a virtual town hall tomorrow night to talk about the issue. sounds underwhelming. [/quote]

Really? I don't think so. What would you have them do? This way, the school can communicate directly and hear concerns from the whole school community. Not sure what makes this so underwhelming.[/quote]

Agree - I am glad they will be on a town hall with me this week and I expect them to tell me the steps they are taking etc. on this issue as it is a catastrophic institutional failure, considering they did a "deep dive" thorough investigation just a year or two ago ..
and dont give me the "it can happen anywhere" crap - [b]it is happening at Gilman over and over and over.[/b] [/quote]

+1 This is the issue. Yes, it can happen anywhere but when it happens repeatedly at the same place, it is an institutional problem. I hope Gilman parents get answers and learn how the school plans to keep their students safe. [/quote]

DW and I were appalled at having to submit questions ahead of time under the guise of logistical ease. It's a way for them to filter out the tough questions via their lawyers and soft ball more bs at us. [/quote]

Every town hall meeting I’ve been to has asked this. [/quote]


...which should signal something about the level of transparency and the actual purpose of a town hall meeting. It's lawyer driven ass covering. It's not a genuine opportunity to learn and share between constituencies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are any of the other Baltimore privates accepting apps this late for the US? We have two sons (one in 8th and one in 6th) and we do not wish to continue at gilman next year in light of this development.

Lololol. First of all, I 100% think you’re a troll. But on the slim chance you’re not: good luck with that. Let us know how it goes.

Fwiw my neighbor is in admissions at McDonough and said they’ve gotten several emails from gilman families wanting to inquire about a move.

That's smart. Is there enough money in the endowment to cover the settlements that they'll have to pay?

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]the school is holding a virtual town hall tomorrow night to talk about the issue. sounds underwhelming. [/quote]

Really? I don't think so. What would you have them do? This way, the school can communicate directly and hear concerns from the whole school community. Not sure what makes this so underwhelming.[/quote]

Agree - I am glad they will be on a town hall with me this week and I expect them to tell me the steps they are taking etc. on this issue as it is a catastrophic institutional failure, considering they did a "deep dive" thorough investigation just a year or two ago ..
and dont give me the "it can happen anywhere" crap - [b]it is happening at Gilman over and over and over.[/b] [/quote]

+1 This is the issue. Yes, it can happen anywhere but when it happens repeatedly at the same place, it is an institutional problem. I hope Gilman parents get answers and learn how the school plans to keep their students safe. [/quote]

DW and I were appalled at having to submit questions ahead of time under the guise of logistical ease. It's a way for them to filter out the tough questions via their lawyers and soft ball more bs at us. [/quote]

Every town hall meeting I’ve been to has asked this. [/quote]


...which should signal something about the level of transparency and the actual purpose of a town hall meeting. It's lawyer driven ass covering. It's not a genuine opportunity to learn and share between constituencies. [/quote]

What did you think you would get? Anonymous posters here are all ready to sue the school themselves and they aren’t even actual victims. And you think school officials who might very well be looking at criminal prosecution aren’t taking advice of counsel? Really? This is private school - of course they are.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]the school is holding a virtual town hall tomorrow night to talk about the issue. sounds underwhelming. [/quote]

Really? I don't think so. What would you have them do? This way, the school can communicate directly and hear concerns from the whole school community. Not sure what makes this so underwhelming.[/quote]

Agree - I am glad they will be on a town hall with me this week and I expect them to tell me the steps they are taking etc. on this issue as it is a catastrophic institutional failure, considering they did a "deep dive" thorough investigation just a year or two ago ..
and dont give me the "it can happen anywhere" crap - [b]it is happening at Gilman over and over and over.[/b] [/quote]

+1 This is the issue. Yes, it can happen anywhere but when it happens repeatedly at the same place, it is an institutional problem. I hope Gilman parents get answers and learn how the school plans to keep their students safe. [/quote]

DW and I were appalled at having to submit questions ahead of time under the guise of logistical ease. It's a way for them to filter out the tough questions via their lawyers and soft ball more bs at us. [/quote]

Every town hall meeting I’ve been to has asked this. [/quote]


...which should signal something about the level of transparency and the actual purpose of a town hall meeting. It's lawyer driven ass covering. It's not a genuine opportunity to learn and share between constituencies. [/quote]

What did you think you would get? Anonymous posters here are all ready to sue the school themselves and they aren’t even actual victims. And you think school officials who might very well be looking at criminal prosecution aren’t taking advice of counsel? Really? This is private school - of course they are.


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NP but i get it, it's more just taking teh town hall with a grain of salt and not chalking it up to "gilman is handling this so well" kind of mentality. keep your eyes open to the reality.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]the school is holding a virtual town hall tomorrow night to talk about the issue. sounds underwhelming. [/quote]

Really? I don't think so. What would you have them do? This way, the school can communicate directly and hear concerns from the whole school community. Not sure what makes this so underwhelming.[/quote]

Agree - I am glad they will be on a town hall with me this week and I expect them to tell me the steps they are taking etc. on this issue as it is a catastrophic institutional failure, considering they did a "deep dive" thorough investigation just a year or two ago ..
and dont give me the "it can happen anywhere" crap - [b]it is happening at Gilman over and over and over.[/b] [/quote]

+1 This is the issue. Yes, it can happen anywhere but when it happens repeatedly at the same place, it is an institutional problem. I hope Gilman parents get answers and learn how the school plans to keep their students safe. [/quote]

DW and I were appalled at having to submit questions ahead of time under the guise of logistical ease. It's a way for them to filter out the tough questions via their lawyers and soft ball more bs at us. [/quote]

Every town hall meeting I’ve been to has asked this. [/quote]


...which should signal something about the level of transparency and the actual purpose of a town hall meeting. It's lawyer driven ass covering. It's not a genuine opportunity to learn and share between constituencies. [/quote]

What did you think you would get? Anonymous posters here are all ready to sue the school themselves and they aren’t even actual victims. And you think school officials who might very well be looking at criminal prosecution aren’t taking advice of counsel? Really? This is private school - of course they are.


[/quote]

Criminal prosecution of school officials seems beyond unlikely. Let’s stick with reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have been anonymous allegations that administration knew about babysitting/driving, but no actual proof or any credible non-anonymous claims. That would be damning if it were true, but at this point, all we have are anonymous assertions.

He had been supplying the boys with alcohol. Anyone who believes no one on the school staff had a clue is naive, to say the least. He forced the boys to run naked in the park. He had showers with the boys.

And you believe that he was doing these things in the view of, and with the knowledge of, other staff members? Not that he had taken steps to conceal his actions? That seems… unlikely.

Look, when a successful bastion of privilege like Gilman has something awful like this happen, the schadenfreude is real and rampant. But the truth is that it could happen anywhere, and has, and will. If someone actually has knowledge that the school was aware of it before they reported him, of course, that’s culpable. But I haven’t heard anything but people saying that they “must have known”. No, abusers don’t abuse out in the open, and they take measures to conceal their actions. I will blame Gilman if it turns out that they verifiably didn’t know about it and didn’t protect students, or if their response is tepid and down plays the severity of what happens. Neither of these has happened (yet?)

[/b]The overnight babysitting and being paid to drive kids around was well known. He worked for literally dozens of Gilman families.

[b]

Which parent in their right mind hires a 30 something year old man to ‘babysit’ their kid overnight. Are you serious?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have been anonymous allegations that administration knew about babysitting/driving, but no actual proof or any credible non-anonymous claims. That would be damning if it were true, but at this point, all we have are anonymous assertions.

He had been supplying the boys with alcohol. Anyone who believes no one on the school staff had a clue is naive, to say the least. He forced the boys to run naked in the park. He had showers with the boys.

And you believe that he was doing these things in the view of, and with the knowledge of, other staff members? Not that he had taken steps to conceal his actions? That seems… unlikely.

Look, when a successful bastion of privilege like Gilman has something awful like this happen, the schadenfreude is real and rampant. But the truth is that it could happen anywhere, and has, and will. If someone actually has knowledge that the school was aware of it before they reported him, of course, that’s culpable. But I haven’t heard anything but people saying that they “must have known”. No, abusers don’t abuse out in the open, and they take measures to conceal their actions. I will blame Gilman if it turns out that they verifiably didn’t know about it and didn’t protect students, or if their response is tepid and down plays the severity of what happens. Neither of these has happened (yet?)

[/b]The overnight babysitting and being paid to drive kids around was well known. He worked for literally dozens of Gilman families.

[b]

Which parent in their right mind hires a 30 something year old man to ‘babysit’ their kid overnight. Are you serious?

Perfect situation for child abuse to happen.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]the school is holding a virtual town hall tomorrow night to talk about the issue. sounds underwhelming. [/quote]

Really? I don't think so. What would you have them do? This way, the school can communicate directly and hear concerns from the whole school community. Not sure what makes this so underwhelming.[/quote]

Agree - I am glad they will be on a town hall with me this week and I expect them to tell me the steps they are taking etc. on this issue as it is a catastrophic institutional failure, considering they did a "deep dive" thorough investigation just a year or two ago ..
and dont give me the "it can happen anywhere" crap - [b]it is happening at Gilman over and over and over.[/b] [/quote]

+1 This is the issue. Yes, it can happen anywhere but when it happens repeatedly at the same place, it is an institutional problem. I hope Gilman parents get answers and learn how the school plans to keep their students safe. [/quote]

DW and I were appalled at having to submit questions ahead of time under the guise of logistical ease. It's a way for them to filter out the tough questions via their lawyers and soft ball more bs at us. [/quote]

Every town hall meeting I’ve been to has asked this. [/quote]


...which should signal something about the level of transparency and the actual purpose of a town hall meeting. It's lawyer driven ass covering. It's not a genuine opportunity to learn and share between constituencies. [/quote]

What did you think you would get? Anonymous posters here are all ready to sue the school themselves and they aren’t even actual victims. And you think school officials who might very well be looking at criminal prosecution aren’t taking advice of counsel? Really? This is private school - of course they are.


[/quote]

Criminal prosecution of school officials seems beyond unlikely. Let’s stick with reality. [/quote]


civil lawsuit against the school if they knew anything

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]the school is holding a virtual town hall tomorrow night to talk about the issue. sounds underwhelming. [/quote]

Really? I don't think so. What would you have them do? This way, the school can communicate directly and hear concerns from the whole school community. Not sure what makes this so underwhelming.[/quote]

Agree - I am glad they will be on a town hall with me this week and I expect them to tell me the steps they are taking etc. on this issue as it is a catastrophic institutional failure, considering they did a "deep dive" thorough investigation just a year or two ago ..
and dont give me the "it can happen anywhere" crap - [b]it is happening at Gilman over and over and over.[/b] [/quote]

+1 This is the issue. Yes, it can happen anywhere but when it happens repeatedly at the same place, it is an institutional problem. I hope Gilman parents get answers and learn how the school plans to keep their students safe. [/quote]

DW and I were appalled at having to submit questions ahead of time under the guise of logistical ease. It's a way for them to filter out the tough questions via their lawyers and soft ball more bs at us. [/quote]

Every town hall meeting I’ve been to has asked this. [/quote]


...which should signal something about the level of transparency and the actual purpose of a town hall meeting. It's lawyer driven ass covering. It's not a genuine opportunity to learn and share between constituencies. [/quote]

What did you think you would get? Anonymous posters here are all ready to sue the school themselves and they aren’t even actual victims. And you think school officials who might very well be looking at criminal prosecution aren’t taking advice of counsel? Really? This is private school - of course they are.


[/quote]

Criminal prosecution of school officials seems beyond unlikely. Let’s stick with reality. [/quote]


civil lawsuit against the school if they knew anything [/quote]

That’s different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have been anonymous allegations that administration knew about babysitting/driving, but no actual proof or any credible non-anonymous claims. That would be damning if it were true, but at this point, all we have are anonymous assertions.

He had been supplying the boys with alcohol. Anyone who believes no one on the school staff had a clue is naive, to say the least. He forced the boys to run naked in the park. He had showers with the boys.

And you believe that he was doing these things in the view of, and with the knowledge of, other staff members? Not that he had taken steps to conceal his actions? That seems… unlikely.

Look, when a successful bastion of privilege like Gilman has something awful like this happen, the schadenfreude is real and rampant. But the truth is that it could happen anywhere, and has, and will. If someone actually has knowledge that the school was aware of it before they reported him, of course, that’s culpable. But I haven’t heard anything but people saying that they “must have known”. No, abusers don’t abuse out in the open, and they take measures to conceal their actions. I will blame Gilman if it turns out that they verifiably didn’t know about it and didn’t protect students, or if their response is tepid and down plays the severity of what happens. Neither of these has happened (yet?)

[/b]The overnight babysitting and being paid to drive kids around was well known. He worked for literally dozens of Gilman families.

[b]

Which parent in their right mind hires a 30 something year old man to ‘babysit’ their kid overnight. Are you serious?

I wouldn’t but some did. What if both parents have work travel and no local family? Opportunity to travel without kids for fun? The kids he shuttled around were mostly kdis with working parents who needed a driver for the summer.