APS overdose at Wakefield

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side note for any who know, why are dealers lacing drugs with fentanyl? Isn't their goal to hook people and therefore make money selling drugs? Why are they lacing drugs with something deadly which one would think means it's killing off their customers?

1. Its cheaper. A pin prick of fentanyl gives a high, so the rest of the pill is filler. So they get more $$$. They aren't ALL purposely trying to kill their clients.
2. It's not always a bad thing when your customers have an overdose - it means your pills are potent... which means addicts want it. Its a sad sad business.

Explaining further- the pills are fake. They aren't really adderall or xanax - lacing those with fentanyl would be stupid. They are making cheap fake pills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Side note for any who know, why are dealers lacing drugs with fentanyl? Isn't their goal to hook people and therefore make money selling drugs? Why are they lacing drugs with something deadly which one would think means it's killing off their customers?

It's not necessarily the dealer on the corner. It can be someone well up stream. You never know what you're buying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just signed up for tomorrow's training because of PP's post above. Thank you!

Same. I also had no idea you could request narcan as a civilian.

Is narcan being kept in the schools? If not, it absolutely should be.

I watched that video recently of the female sheriff's deputy who was accidentally exposed to fentanyl during a traffic stop and she went down like that *finger snap*. She was out - totally gone - and her fellow deputies brought her back with a dose or two of narcan. It was scary and amazing to see all at the same time.

I really had no idea fentanyl exposure - meaning exposure by touch or powder/dust in the air - was so deadly/serious.

It is fairly recent (gaining traction over the last 10 yrs in various area in the US) that you can request and use Narcan as a “civilian”.
With the nasal spray it is really easy to administer. Also the signs of an opioid overdose are classic and very easy to recognize. I’d encourage everyone to take a class/online or in person along with a CPR class. Side note: Some of these stories are exaggerated; you will not drop from being in the same room with Fentanyl or briefly touching it by accident before washing your hands. Otherwise you can bet ER and other personnel around the country would have been dropping dead for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just signed up for tomorrow's training because of PP's post above. Thank you!

Same. I also had no idea you could request narcan as a civilian.

Is narcan being kept in the schools? If not, it absolutely should be.

I watched that video recently of the female sheriff's deputy who was accidentally exposed to fentanyl during a traffic stop and she went down like that *finger snap*. She was out - totally gone - and her fellow deputies brought her back with a dose or two of narcan. It was scary and amazing to see all at the same time.

I really had no idea fentanyl exposure - meaning exposure by touch or powder/dust in the air - was so deadly/serious.

It is fairly recent (gaining traction over the last 10 yrs in various area in the US) that you can request and use Narcan as a “civilian”.
With the nasal spray it is really easy to administer. Also the signs of an opioid overdose are classic and very easy to recognize. I’d encourage everyone to take a class/online or in person along with a CPR class. Side note: Some of these stories are exaggerated; you will not drop from being in the same room with Fentanyl or briefly touching it by accident before washing your hands. Otherwise you can bet ER and other personnel around the country would have been dropping dead for years.

This, but if you aren't taught, it can be mistaken for cardiac arrest for unknown reasons. So parents, get educated in case you need to save a life. Its so easy, a nasal spray.

[Anonymous]

The pills are coming in this way. Cheap fentanyl from China to Mexico. Fake oxy or adderall manufactured by the cartels and then brought up to US. This is well documented. Counterfeit pills are the primary business of cartels now.

[Anonymous]

1) while there may be exaggerated stories about fentanyl exposure, it is most definitely true that people trying to provide aid (e.g. CPR) to overdose victims have become ill from fentanyl that way. It happened with the West Point cadets last year.

2) it’s not the dealers lacing it. The vast majority of the fake pills that are laced with it come from the 2 main Mexican drug cartels. They get their chemicals from China and then they mass produce the fake pills in factories in Mexico before shipping them off. Its not exactly a production operation that follows strict protocols for safely making pills. Its how a dealer can easily get a batch of pills where most don’t have any fentanyl and a few do. Or might end up with a batch with mostly laced ones. It’s a crap shoot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just signed up for tomorrow's training because of PP's post above. Thank you!

Same. I also had no idea you could request narcan as a civilian.

Is narcan being kept in the schools? If not, it absolutely should be.

I watched that video recently of the female sheriff's deputy who was accidentally exposed to fentanyl during a traffic stop and she went down like that *finger snap*. She was out - totally gone - and her fellow deputies brought her back with a dose or two of narcan. It was scary and amazing to see all at the same time.

I really had no idea fentanyl exposure - meaning exposure by touch or powder/dust in the air - was so deadly/serious.

It is fairly recent (gaining traction over the last 10 yrs in various area in the US) that you can request and use Narcan as a “civilian”.
With the nasal spray it is really easy to administer. Also the signs of an opioid overdose are classic and very easy to recognize. I’d encourage everyone to take a class/online or in person along with a CPR class. Side note: Some of these stories are exaggerated; you will not drop from being in the same room with Fentanyl or briefly touching it by accident before washing your hands. Otherwise you can bet ER and other personnel around the country would have been dropping dead for years.

This, but if you aren't taught, it can be mistaken for cardiac arrest for unknown reasons. So parents, get educated in case you need to save a life. Its so easy, a nasal spray.

My understanding is that there's no harm to administering Narcan if it's not an overdose. It won't hurt the person. When in doubt, give Narcan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bathrooms aren't the issue. These kids are taking pills. They can take pills anywhere.

The issue is the drug. The issue is WHY they take the drug. The issue is WHY they want to feel the way the drug makes them feel to escape from their real lives. We need to fix that.

And this is not a good neighborhood vs bad neighborhood problem.

+1

There are some high achieving (grade wise) students who think if you take Adderall you are able to focus more. (obviously, these are students without a prescription). The pressure on them from middle school to get into a top college is real. Fake Adderall is one of the pills that contains fentanyl.

This. A student at my son's college died last year after taking illicit "adderall" that had fentanyl.

DD is a senior at W-L and recently told me she hadn't realized until this Fall how many of the high achieving kids are coping with the pressure with drinking and drugs. It's at all the high schools and both good students and slackers.

It's EVERYWHERE. "Good" high schools, bad high schools, wealthy and non-wealthy. The sooner some parents realize that, the better everyone will be.

What is also concerning is the enormous number of kids with serious mental health issues since Covid. Arlnow just had an article about this issue as well. Mental health, increase in opioids and drug use. And, truly, it can be the first time the kid uses it and the fentanyl causes an OD. It's scary as sh*t.

I'm not so cavalier to think my kids will never be around it, nor could ever say with 100% certainty neither would ever try it. Yes, they are smart and athletic and come from a 'good' home with involved parents, but when has that stopped an impulsive teenager with a frontal cortex that is not fully developed yet and zero fear of mortality?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bathrooms aren't the issue. These kids are taking pills. They can take pills anywhere.

The issue is the drug. The issue is WHY they take the drug. The issue is WHY they want to feel the way the drug makes them feel to escape from their real lives. We need to fix that.

And this is not a good neighborhood vs bad neighborhood problem.

+1

There are some high achieving (grade wise) students who think if you take Adderall you are able to focus more. (obviously, these are students without a prescription). The pressure on them from middle school to get into a top college is real. Fake Adderall is one of the pills that contains fentanyl.

This. A student at my son's college died last year after taking illicit "adderall" that had fentanyl.

DD is a senior at W-L and recently told me she hadn't realized until this Fall how many of the high achieving kids are coping with the pressure with drinking and drugs. It's at all the high schools and both good students and slackers.

It's EVERYWHERE. "Good" high schools, bad high schools, wealthy and non-wealthy. The sooner some parents realize that, the better everyone will be.

What is also concerning is the enormous number of kids with serious mental health issues since Covid. Arlnow just had an article about this issue as well. Mental health, increase in opioids and drug use. And, truly, it can be the first time the kid uses it and the fentanyl causes an OD. It's scary as sh*t.

I'm not so cavalier to think my kids will never be around it, nor could ever say with 100% certainty neither would ever try it. Yes, they are smart and athletic and come from a 'good' home with involved parents, but when has that stopped an impulsive teenager with a frontal cortex that is not fully developed yet and zero fear of mortality?

PP, my rant was at you--it was about the pps that blame it on being 'wakefield', etc.

[Anonymous]

I was in college when ecstasy/molly was all the rage.

I remember my parents drilling in my head that you could have the one pill in the bad batch that ends your life.

I never took it. I did grow up in the Nancy Regan 'just say no (to drugs)' era and I was basically scared straight. Also being told just one hit of heroin could have you hooked.

It's worth revisiting that movie 'Traffic' where Michael Douglas is the drug czar and his wealthy teenage daughter gets hooked on heroin. Benicio del Torro is in it too.

[Anonymous]

I highly recommend the training that Arlington gives on administering Narcan. I just signed up yesterday and took it this afternoon. They will send you free Narcan and train you in how to use it, and train you on local Good Samaritan laws (basically you have no liability in administering care when your intentions are good; also Narcan has no negative side effects so applying it can really only save someone's life, best to have some on hand).

There's another training this evening at 7pm I think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just signed up for tomorrow's training because of PP's post above. Thank you!

Same. I also had no idea you could request narcan as a civilian.

Is narcan being kept in the schools? If not, it absolutely should be.

I watched that video recently of the female sheriff's deputy who was accidentally exposed to fentanyl during a traffic stop and she went down like that *finger snap*. She was out - totally gone - and her fellow deputies brought her back with a dose or two of narcan. It was scary and amazing to see all at the same time.

I really had no idea fentanyl exposure - meaning exposure by touch or powder/dust in the air - was so deadly/serious.

It is fairly recent (gaining traction over the last 10 yrs in various area in the US) that you can request and use Narcan as a “civilian”.
With the nasal spray it is really easy to administer. Also the signs of an opioid overdose are classic and very easy to recognize. I’d encourage everyone to take a class/online or in person along with a CPR class. Side note: Some of these stories are exaggerated; you will not drop from being in the same room with Fentanyl or briefly touching it by accident before washing your hands. Otherwise you can bet ER and other personnel around the country would have been dropping dead for years.

This, but if you aren't taught, it can be mistaken for cardiac arrest for unknown reasons. So parents, get educated in case you need to save a life. Its so easy, a nasal spray.

My understanding is that there's no harm to administering Narcan if it's not an overdose. It won't hurt the person. When in doubt, give Narcan.

Yes, this.. Narcan is very short acting and any (intended OR adverse) effect wears off quickly. It can raise someone’s blood pressure and heart rate (so I don’t advise giving it to an *awake* elderly person with heart disease etc.) , but a person in cardiac arrest is by definition clinically dead (and has no blood pressure other than what you provide by doing chest compressions). Opioid OD will lead to cardiac arrest. Don’t be afraid to give Narcan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1) while there may be exaggerated stories about fentanyl exposure, it is most definitely true that people trying to provide aid (e.g. CPR) to overdose victims have become ill from fentanyl that way. It happened with the West Point cadets last year.

2) it’s not the dealers lacing it. The vast majority of the fake pills that are laced with it come from the 2 main Mexican drug cartels. They get their chemicals from China and then they mass produce the fake pills in factories in Mexico before shipping them off. Its not exactly a production operation that follows strict protocols for safely making pills. Its how a dealer can easily get a batch of pills where most don’t have any fentanyl and a few do. Or might end up with a batch with mostly laced ones. It’s a crap shoot

1) Nope. Those cadets were trying to avoid punishment.

https://www.jems.com/patient-care/be-wary-of-dubious-fentanyl-overdose-claims/#:~:text=The%20published%20statements%20that%20two,dubious%20and%20scientifically%20extremely%20unlikely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was in college when ecstasy/molly was all the rage.

I remember my parents drilling in my head that you could have the one pill in the bad batch that ends your life.

I never took it. I did grow up in the Nancy Regan 'just say no (to drugs)' era and I was basically scared straight. Also being told just one hit of heroin could have you hooked.

It's worth revisiting that movie 'Traffic' where Michael Douglas is the drug czar and his wealthy teenage daughter gets hooked on heroin. Benicio del Torro is in it too.

Same with me. In fact, a friend from VT did die at a concert from taking a bad molly pill. Scared me straight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wakefield has some rough neighborhoods so it's an unfortunate issue for that school

Doesn’t Yorktown have a bigger drug problem?

That’s what I’ve always heard, but I haven’t seen the stats.

Wealthy Yorktown parents (many lawyers) can get their kids out of trouble before they even show up as stats.