DCI feeder families, with 4th graders, lottery?

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody's being spoken to in Mandarin "all day at school" at DCI. This wasn't happening at YY either.

The only DCI Chinese track students who speak the language well are the handful who've have had at least one native-speaking adult in the home for years who requires the kids to speak Chinese. If you're a native speaker of Mandarin and you've spent time around YY and DCI kids for years speaking Chinese, you know what I'm talking about.

Even the most advanced Mandarin speakers in DCI's HS struggle to communicate in Chinese in view of the fact that they've been studying the language for more than a decade. These kids generally can't score high (6s-7s) on any IB Diploma Higher Level subject. What happens is that hardly any of these kids earn IB Diploma points totals in the high 30s or 40s, which is routine at half a dozen public IBD programs in this Metro area. Even so, DCI still gets some decent college acceptances.

If DCI parents minded the school's mediocre IBD scores, they'd pay for WIS or move to the burbs for one of the IBD programs where most students score high. The list isn't long: Washington-Liberty in Arlington, 3 or 4 programs in Fairfax, Bethesda Chevy Chase's school-within-a-school program or Richard Montgomery in Rockville (test-in, 8th grade, 10% admitted).



So tired of the same Chinese mom here saying the same thing ad nauseam and giving false information about MoCo schools.

First, if you don't have a kid at DCI, stop trolling the board on every DCI thread. This is what happens on every thread is back and forth about the damn Chinese from the same person. Get a life.

Second, if you have a kid at DCI and are not happy about no native speakers then move to where there are. Some families at DCI who are not native, like PP above, do prioritize the language. Some don’t and are happy their kid understands it and can speak it but are not proficient. Some families are new and just beginning the language. You don’t see anyone else’s perspective but your own self absorbed one with what you want for your kid. Just go to WIS then if you want to stay in the city with all the other self absorbed entitled parents.

Lastly, NO, most kids in the MoCo program are NOT routinely scoring in the high 30’s and 40. This is your perception which is not reality based at all. if RM which attracts the top 1% in MoCo has only a 70% pass rate then that clearly tells you that. This is pass rate so the 70% left that pass are not all scoring so high. I would bet their IB averages is probably in the 33 or 34 range at best.


Thank you PP, I haven't been on DCUM in a pretty long while, but there were obsessive posters just like the "No one at DCI or YY speaks Chinese unless there's a native speaker in the home" PP All. The. Time. Every time YY was brought up it brought out the same 3 people (well it was probably more than 3 then, but I totally believe it's only 1 now) who either went on about the Principal not being Chinese; the school not accepting Cantonese native speakers just because they are Cantonese native speakers (YY has always been strict lottery, as much as most of us would have loved more native speaking children to lottery in, a lottery is a lottery so NO language considerations went into admissions); and the people who said what above PP said: these kids can't actually speak Mandarin. It was old then; it's dead & decayed now but there are always a few holdouts.

None of that is to say that DCI's Chinese program is perfect - not even close. But we value it and we're glad we're there.
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Anonymous wrote:The word about how tough IBD language exams actually are, because they emphasize speaking (unlike AP), is starting to trickle down to the DCI feeder and middle school families.

DCI parents who've been told by teachers and admins that their kids' language skills are great for years can be shocked when their 17 and 18 year olds score 2s, 3s and 4s out of 7 possible points, particularly with Chinese and French.

More of the UMC middle school and high school families are enrolling in summer immersion programs. Some are enrolling in weekend heritage language programs in the burbs.


Do you work for a summer immersion program? Because I am so tired of hearing about how great they are.
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How does dci determine who goes to higher level math and language? Map test? Parcc?
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They seem to put a lot of stock in the math and language kids did at feeders. They assumption is that new students won't have background.
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Anonymous wrote:The word about how tough IBD language exams actually are, because they emphasize speaking (unlike AP), is starting to trickle down to the DCI feeder and middle school families.

DCI parents who've been told by teachers and admins that their kids' language skills are great for years can be shocked when their 17 and 18 year olds score 2s, 3s and 4s out of 7 possible points, particularly with Chinese and French.

More of the UMC middle school and high school families are enrolling in summer immersion programs. Some are enrolling in weekend heritage language programs in the burbs.


Do you work for a summer immersion program? Because I am so tired of hearing about how great they are.

I'm not the poster you're responding to but the issue obviously isn't summer immersion, it's 2-way immersion. The DCI feeders and DCI don't offer that, other than maybe for Spanish. Without real immersion, kids don't learn to speak languages. You don't need summer immersion if you're fine with the kids not really speaking, or the language is spoken at home.
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Anonymous wrote:BASIS DC is the best option for any academically minded kid.

I think the IB is a much more rigorous program than taking a bunch of AP tests. I think DCI offers much more in terms of sports, clubs, extracurricular, than Basis.


+1. Absolutely agree about IB and wanted to add that it focuses a lot on writing and critical analysis which I believe is very important. I say that as someone who is in a STEM field.

As to sports, clubs, and extracurriculars there is just no comparison. DCI blows Basis away.

Also, I want my child to have a good, happy well rounded middle and high school experience like I did, not some pressure cooker, AP focus at the expense of all else.


LOL. If these are the 16 or so clubs at DCI, I don't think the school blows anyone away:

https://dcinternationalschool.org/dci-life/clubs/q4-activities/

Seems pretty similar to BASIS DC except the latter doesn't have a dog walking club.


16 clubs and 8 sports for quarter 4. Other offerings in clubs and sports for quarters 1-3. So yes, totally blows Basis away.


Are you including the DCI Dog Walking Club?

You didn't cite any numbers for BASIS DC and you apparently know nothing about the school, so you obviously have no basis for your statement that DCI's clubs and sports "blow[] Basis away."

In fact, BASIS DC has over 100 clubs, teams, societies, and sports.



Come on, Basis does not have 100 active clubs, teams, sports, etc…. The school is lacking in extracurriculars, sports, and facilities. Many students go outside the school for this from neighbor.

So many threads on above about this.


I'm a very happy BASIS parent who frequently posts in defense of BASIS. PP is dead right on their assessment. BASIS is a great school and we are lucky to be there. It does a lot of things really well. Let's be honest, afterschool clubs, sports (non-e-sports anyway) and the like are not things at which it excels.


Agree with that. The point you missed is that DCI doesn't really offer anything better.

If you want high-level sports and lots of extracurriculars, head over to Deal or J-R.


Yea no, Deal and JR are way too overcrowded and have their own problems, the main being that many kids don’t even get to play many sports at all because travel kids or top players dominate. I’ve talked to parents there about this.

DCI has 8 sports in 4th quarter for spring. Why don’t you tell us exactly how many sports with real teams there are at Basis for spring term? Also how many real clubs there fielded with kids running them at the school for spring term? Are there 16 actually in house after school? Please list sports and clubs so we can all agree that Basis offers the same.


Serious question: is dog walking a sport or club at DCI?


Google is your friend.

Detract much. Still waiting for the list….


Nope. The person who made the (false) claim backs it up.
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Anonymous wrote:BASIS DC is the best option for any academically minded kid.

I think the IB is a much more rigorous program than taking a bunch of AP tests. I think DCI offers much more in terms of sports, clubs, extracurricular, than Basis.


+1. Absolutely agree about IB and wanted to add that it focuses a lot on writing and critical analysis which I believe is very important. I say that as someone who is in a STEM field.

As to sports, clubs, and extracurriculars there is just no comparison. DCI blows Basis away.

Also, I want my child to have a good, happy well rounded middle and high school experience like I did, not some pressure cooker, AP focus at the expense of all else.


LOL. If these are the 16 or so clubs at DCI, I don't think the school blows anyone away:

https://dcinternationalschool.org/dci-life/clubs/q4-activities/

Seems pretty similar to BASIS DC except the latter doesn't have a dog walking club.


16 clubs and 8 sports for quarter 4. Other offerings in clubs and sports for quarters 1-3. So yes, totally blows Basis away.


Are you including the DCI Dog Walking Club?

You didn't cite any numbers for BASIS DC and you apparently know nothing about the school, so you obviously have no basis for your statement that DCI's clubs and sports "blow[] Basis away."

In fact, BASIS DC has over 100 clubs, teams, societies, and sports.



Come on, Basis does not have 100 active clubs, teams, sports, etc…. The school is lacking in extracurriculars, sports, and facilities. Many students go outside the school for this from neighbor.

So many threads on above about this.


I'm a very happy BASIS parent who frequently posts in defense of BASIS. PP is dead right on their assessment. BASIS is a great school and we are lucky to be there. It does a lot of things really well. Let's be honest, afterschool clubs, sports (non-e-sports anyway) and the like are not things at which it excels.


Agree with that. The point you missed is that DCI doesn't really offer anything better.

If you want high-level sports and lots of extracurriculars, head over to Deal or J-R.


Yea no, Deal and JR are way too overcrowded and have their own problems, the main being that many kids don’t even get to play many sports at all because travel kids or top players dominate. I’ve talked to parents there about this.

DCI has 8 sports in 4th quarter for spring. Why don’t you tell us exactly how many sports with real teams there are at Basis for spring term? Also how many real clubs there fielded with kids running them at the school for spring term? Are there 16 actually in house after school? Please list sports and clubs so we can all agree that Basis offers the same.


Serious question: is dog walking a sport or club at DCI?


Detract much. Still waiting for the list….


Here you go: https://enrollbasis.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/dc-tour-kit.pdf.


You obviously don’t have a child at the school. No, Basis DC currently does not have many of the clubs, sports listed above.


You obviously didn’t read the brochure. It says the activities vary from year to year based on student interest. In fact, the list doesn’t include some sports and clubs added this year.


Soooooo not 100 then. Got it.
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Anonymous wrote:The word about how tough IBD language exams actually are, because they emphasize speaking (unlike AP), is starting to trickle down to the DCI feeder and middle school families.

DCI parents who've been told by teachers and admins that their kids' language skills are great for years can be shocked when their 17 and 18 year olds score 2s, 3s and 4s out of 7 possible points, particularly with Chinese and French.

More of the UMC middle school and high school families are enrolling in summer immersion programs. Some are enrolling in weekend heritage language programs in the burbs.


Do you work for a summer immersion program? Because I am so tired of hearing about how great they are.

I'm not the poster you're responding to but the issue obviously isn't summer immersion, it's 2-way immersion. The DCI feeders and DCI don't offer that, other than maybe for Spanish. Without real immersion, kids don't learn to speak languages. You don't need summer immersion if you're fine with the kids not really speaking, or the language is spoken at home.



I honestly think you’d be a total fool if you think your child is going to learn a foreign language without significant parent support.

I really don’t know what you people expect schools to do. It’s not magic, it’s hard work.
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Plenty of fools in DCI feeders and DCI, if not total fools. Many feeder families gladly bail for Latin and BASIS, ending the pretense that they were taking the language learning seriously.
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Anonymous wrote:Plenty of fools in DCI feeders and DCI, if not total fools. Many feeder families gladly bail for Latin and BASIS, ending the pretense that they were taking the language learning seriously.


LOL, not impressed by lackluster Latin and Basis sucks for anything but academics.

I’ll take DCI with a well rounded experience at a bigger school any day. Also data doesn’t support your premise that many families are bailing at all, they are tracking to DCI.

Lastly, you are showing your ignorance but lots of families and kids who are serious about Spanish.

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Anonymous wrote:The word about how tough IBD language exams actually are, because they emphasize speaking (unlike AP), is starting to trickle down to the DCI feeder and middle school families.

DCI parents who've been told by teachers and admins that their kids' language skills are great for years can be shocked when their 17 and 18 year olds score 2s, 3s and 4s out of 7 possible points, particularly with Chinese and French.

More of the UMC middle school and high school families are enrolling in summer immersion programs. Some are enrolling in weekend heritage language programs in the burbs.


Do you work for a summer immersion program? Because I am so tired of hearing about how great they are.

I'm not the poster you're responding to but the issue obviously isn't summer immersion, it's 2-way immersion. The DCI feeders and DCI don't offer that, other than maybe for Spanish. Without real immersion, kids don't learn to speak languages. You don't need summer immersion if you're fine with the kids not really speaking, or the language is spoken at home.


They do absolutely offer it for Spanish which is the overwhelming majority of kids tracking to DCI.

But every single thread is about Chinese which is a really small percentage of kids at the school.
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Anonymous wrote:Plenty of fools in DCI feeders and DCI, if not total fools. Many feeder families gladly bail for Latin and BASIS, ending the pretense that they were taking the language learning seriously.


LOL, not impressed by lackluster Latin and Basis sucks for anything but academics.

I’ll take DCI with a well rounded experience at a bigger school any day. Also data doesn’t support your premise that many families are bailing at all, they are tracking to DCI.

Lastly, you are showing your ignorance but lots of families and kids who are serious about Spanish.



Hope a majority of DCI students can at least hit grade level for reading. Math seems hopeless.
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Anonymous wrote:How does dci determine who goes to higher level math and language? Map test? Parcc?


when entering 6th, it is definitely elementary teacher recommendations and MAP. They wouldn't have the most recent PARCC scores yet, right? But once you are in the DCI math class, if it is determined that you should be in the next level math class, they will move you up. Same thing with language.
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If we're talking about HS, Bannaker has an IB program that my neighbor's kid says is very challenging.
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Anonymous wrote:Plenty of fools in DCI feeders and DCI, if not total fools. Many feeder families gladly bail for Latin and BASIS, ending the pretense that they were taking the language learning seriously.


LOL, not impressed by lackluster Latin and Basis sucks for anything but academics.

I’ll take DCI with a well rounded experience at a bigger school any day. Also data doesn’t support your premise that many families are bailing at all, they are tracking to DCI.

Lastly, you are showing your ignorance but lots of families and kids who are serious about Spanish.



Hope a majority of DCI students can at least hit grade level for reading. Math seems hopeless.


COVID has affected everyone and if you look at DCI, they are doing better than the overwhelming majority of middle and high schools in the city.

Their scores are actually pretty close to Latin. Basis self selects so not sure why people on here use them as a comparison. Apples to oranges.
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