Private Schools that feed into Ivy's

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Anonymous wrote:Are you new here OP?

I have kids at two top DC privates.
Pretty much the only kids getting into the Ivies are 1)recruited athletes 2)legacy (generally big donor legacy) plus very strong student 3)URM plus very strong student.
In recent years there are MAYBE 1-2 kids at each school who are admitted based on academics alone (without one of the above hooks). Generally these are kids within the top 5 kids in a class.
Graduating in the top 5 kids or so isn't easy to achieve and takes a bit of luck (you don't get the teachers who are known for never giving As, you never forget to study for an assignment, etc) as well as smarts.

Moral of the story: do not choose a top private based on any perceived bump to the Ivy League. It is not 1996.
In 2022 most non-hooked academic kids at my kids' schools are not even wasting their ED on the Ivy league because there is really no chance.

What's "URM"?

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Anonymous wrote:Richard Montgomery HS had four students get into Harvard alone. All were IB program students and all were minorities.
So statistically, RM is better than any DMV private for the Ivy-inclined, but high school is not just about getting into a brand name school.

Until SCOTUS rules that colleges can no longer take race into account for admissions

If SCOTUS strikes down affirmative action, the odds seem high that schools will just adopt admissions practices that are even more opaque to get the results they want.

Correct. They only have to avoid a stated diversity target to set up their student bodies however they like. Only their committee will know. Unlikely that one top school will want to take 15 kids with Asian surnames from one DC area private or any private for that matter. They can slice and dice their acceptances however they like.

What would be the value to the university of taking 15 kids with Asian surnames from the same high school?

Huh? There could be tremendous value, depending on what those kids do. But I am also so sick of the idea that the system is unfair, rigged or racist if a school doesn’t take the top 15 GPA and test scores, which I would argue you can’t even know bc each kid takes a different schedule of classes. Top colleges admit holistically so they are free to choose kids with best essays, LOR, community service or whatever they deem as building the best holistic admission application.

This is what so many people fail to understand about the college admissions process.

Colleges select kids based on one metric and one metric alone - their expected value to the school. For some, that will mean a huge contribution from their parents. For others, it will mean an improved athletic program, leading to more donations. For others, it will be exceptional participation in clubs and activities, which correlates directly to - you guessed it - contributions back to the university. For others, it will be a likelihood of future high-profile accomplishments, which generate donations to the university from others.

Admissions officers aren't rewarding kids who did great things in high school - they're making investments into kids who are likely to bring a return back to the university somehow. I wasn't the best student at my excellent university, but I made incredible contributions to several groups through my extracurricular endeavors and helped thousands to enjoy their college experience more than they would have without my presence. And I've made financial contributions back to my school from my well-paying job.

My university took a chance on me and that chance paid off.

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Anonymous wrote:Which private schools feed into the most Ivy's for Academics NOT Athletics.

Your child's life will be significantly better - and thus they'll probably have a better chance of actually getting into an Ivy - if you remove your desire for them to go to an Ivy from the equation.

There's no better advice you can be given than this.

+1 let your kid be authentic and choose the right school when the time comes

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Anonymous wrote:Are you new here OP?

I have kids at two top DC privates.
Pretty much the only kids getting into the Ivies are 1)recruited athletes 2)legacy (generally big donor legacy) plus very strong student 3)URM plus very strong student.
In recent years there are MAYBE 1-2 kids at each school who are admitted based on academics alone (without one of the above hooks). Generally these are kids within the top 5 kids in a class.
Graduating in the top 5 kids or so isn't easy to achieve and takes a bit of luck (you don't get the teachers who are known for never giving As, you never forget to study for an assignment, etc) as well as smarts.

Moral of the story: do not choose a top private based on any perceived bump to the Ivy League. It is not 1996.
In 2022 most non-hooked academic kids at my kids' schools are not even wasting their ED on the Ivy league because there is really no chance.

What's "URM"?

Google is your friend, grasshopper.

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Anonymous wrote:Richard Montgomery HS had four students get into Harvard alone. All were IB program students and all were minorities.
So statistically, RM is better than any DMV private for the Ivy-inclined, but high school is not just about getting into a brand name school.

Until SCOTUS rules that colleges can no longer take race into account for admissions

If SCOTUS strikes down affirmative action, the odds seem high that schools will just adopt admissions practices that are even more opaque to get the results they want.

Correct. They only have to avoid a stated diversity target to set up their student bodies however they like. Only their committee will know. Unlikely that one top school will want to take 15 kids with Asian surnames from one DC area private or any private for that matter. They can slice and dice their acceptances however they like.

What would be the value to the university of taking 15 kids with Asian surnames from the same high school?

Huh? There could be tremendous value, depending on what those kids do. But I am also so sick of the idea that the system is unfair, rigged or racist if a school doesn’t take the top 15 GPA and test scores, which I would argue you can’t even know bc each kid takes a different schedule of classes. Top colleges admit holistically so they are free to choose kids with best essays, LOR, community service or whatever they deem as building the best holistic admission application.

This is what so many people fail to understand about the college admissions process.

Colleges select kids based on one metric and one metric alone - their expected value to the school. For some, that will mean a huge contribution from their parents. For others, it will mean an improved athletic program, leading to more donations. For others, it will be exceptional participation in clubs and activities, which correlates directly to - you guessed it - contributions back to the university. For others, it will be a likelihood of future high-profile accomplishments, which generate donations to the university from others.

Admissions officers aren't rewarding kids who did great things in high school - they're making investments into kids who are likely to bring a return back to the university somehow. I wasn't the best student at my excellent university, but I made incredible contributions to several groups through my extracurricular endeavors and helped thousands to enjoy their college experience more than they would have without my presence. And I've made financial contributions back to my school from my well-paying job.

My university took a chance on me and that chance paid off.

+1000. I could have done without the personal narrative, but this poster hit the nail on the head. College is a business and the decisions that they make in the admission process are good business decisions. Unless your kid is going to donate to the university or inspire others to do the same, don't be shocked when they end up with a skinny envelope.

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Anonymous wrote:The Top 70
Rank/High School - State/% Attending Ivy League College/Average # Annual Ivy League Matriculation



1 Trinity School - NY 37% 39

2 Collegiate School - NY 37% 20

3 The Brearley School - NY 36% 21

4 Roxbury Latin School - MA 35% 19

5 Winsor School - MA 33% 18

6 Dalton School - NY 32% 36

7 Spence School - NY 31% 19

8 Horace Mann School - NY 29% 52

9 Chapin School - NY 28% 16

10 Riverdale Country School - NY 26% 32

11 Noble & Greenough School - MA 26% 30

12 National Cathedral School - DC 26% 18

13 St. Paul's School - NH 24% 36

14 Hunter College High School - NY 23% 48

15 Rye Country Day School - NY 23% 23

16 Phillips Academy - Andover - MA 22% 70

17 Lawrenceville School - NJ 22% 49

18 St. Albans School - DC 22% 18

19 Belmont Hill School - MA 22% 18

20 Phillips Exeter Academy - NH 21% 68

21 Deerfield Academy - MA 21% 43

22 Hotchkiss School - CT 21% 37

23 Groton School - MA 21% 18

24 Milton Academy - MA 20% 37

25 Brunswick School - CT 20% 19

26 The Nightingale-Bamford School - NY 20% 8

27 Harvard-Westlake School - CA 19% 54

28 Choate Rosemary Hall - CT 19% 44

29 Hopkins School - CT 19% 26

30 Greenwich Academy - CT 19% 17

31 Saint Ann's School - NY 19% 15

32 Sidwell Friends School - DC 18% 22

33 St. Mark's School of Texas - TX 18% 16

34 High Technology High School - NJ 18% 13

35 Ransom Everglades School - FL 17% 23

36 San Francisco University High School - CA 17% 16

37 Kent Place School - NJ 17% 12

38 Castilleja School - CA 17% 11

39 Bergen County Academies - NJ 16% 44

40 Lakeside School - WA 16% 24

41 Pingry School - NJ 16% 22

42 Episcopal Academy - PA 16% 21

43 Buckingham Browne & Nichols School - MA 16% 21

44 Polytechnic School - CA 16% 14

45 Westminster Schools - GA 15% 30

46 Harker School - CA 15% 26

47 Delbarton School - NJ 15% 20

48 Germantown Friends School - PA 15% 15

49 Thacher School - CA 15% 10

50 The Bishop's School - CA 14% 18

51 Newark Academy - NJ 14% 15

52 Princeton Day School - NJ 14% 14

53 Ramaz School - NY 14% 14

54 The College Preparatory School - CA 14% 12

55 The Branson School - CA 14% 11

56 Convent of the Sacred Heart - NY 14% 6

57 Commonwealth School - MA 14% 5

58 Ethical Culture Fieldston School - NY 13% 20

59 Menlo School - CA 13% 19

60 Regis High School - NY 13% 17

61 University of Chicago Laboratory Schools - IL 13% 16

62 Middlesex School - MA 13% 14

63 Hackley School - NY 13% 12

64 Marlborough School - CA 13% 10

65 Friends Seminary - NY 13% 10

66 Baldwin School - PA 13% 9

67 Pine Crest School - FL 12% 26

68 St. John's School - TX 12% 21

69 Georgetown Day School - DC 12% 15

70 Lick-Wilmerding High School - CA 12% 14

If this list is correct, then 9 of the top 10 are NYC area private schools.

The Top 10 boarding schools for Ivy League matriculation (based on the list above) are:

1) St. Paul's School Concord, New Hampshire 24% (100% boarding school--50/50 male/female)
2) Phillips Academy at Andover (Massachusetts) 22%
3) Lawrenceville School (New Jersey) 22%
4) St. Albans Wash DC 22%
5) Phillips Exeter Academy in New Hampshire 215

6) Deerfield Academy in Massachusetts 21%
7) Hotchkiss School (Connecticut) 21%
8) Groton School in Massachusetts 21%
9) Milton Academy in Massachusetts 20%
10) Choate Rosemary Hall in Conecticut 19%

Not certain, but I believe that St. Paul's School in New Hampshire is the only school on this list of 10 boarding schools which does not enroll day students. SPS offers grades 9 through 12 (No PG year) and has about 540 students total.

The Groton School offers grades 8 through 12 and has the second largest percentage of boarding students.

Andover (Phillips Academy) has about 75% boarding / 25% day student mix. Over 1,000 students total including PGs.

Development admits matter, that's what these lists show.

Partially correct, but getting into and graduating schools like Andover, Exeter, St. Paul's, and Groton is not easy. So much pressure at Andover (Phillips Academy) to do well academically that suicide watch & prevention is a major concern. However, this issue is most pronounced at Andover to the best of my knowledge.

My point is that whether or not students from these schools have significant family donor potential, the students are very well qualified academically for intense academics in college.

My cousin's son is being recruited as a high school sophomore to attend Andover solely due to the fact he's top in his sport. They sought him out and he gets full pay. They would also red shirt him.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody wants to answer your question without sarcasm so I will, Georgetown Prep for boys. And, NCS or even more likely Holton for girls.

Ha ha ha ha. Georgetown Prep. Ha ha ha ha

Not. Even. Close.

Same for Holton but it’s no where near as funny.

GDS, NCS, STA, Sidwell and Potomac. These schools send the most kids percentage wise to schools in the Ivy League. If you can diss out how many are athletes or legacies, good luck. Otherwise those 5 send the most (plus to Stanford, Duke, MIT).

And here's what the high school has to do with it -- they see those kids coming and choose the likely Ivy admits for their class. It's not about the school, it's the kid. Give credit where it is actually due. I most cases, those kids would have gone to the same college no matter what high school they attended.

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Newsflash - Dc Privates do not feed into any Ivy's. Sure a few get in but it is no way a given. The kids that excel in public school show them more. Before you @ me I have 2 kids in private DC school.

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Anonymous wrote:Newsflash - Dc Privates do not feed into any Ivy's. Sure a few get in but it is no way a given. The kids that excel in public school show them more. Before you @ me I have 2 kids in private DC school.

STA sends a ton of kids to Yale and now Chicago. Been that way for decades. Maybe it lasts, maybe it doesn’t but 5/10 to each every year for years sounds feederesque to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Richard Montgomery HS had four students get into Harvard alone. All were IB program students and all were minorities.
So statistically, RM is better than any DMV private for the Ivy-inclined, but high school is not just about getting into a brand name school.

Until SCOTUS rules that colleges can no longer take race into account for admissions

If SCOTUS strikes down affirmative action, the odds seem high that schools will just adopt admissions practices that are even more opaque to get the results they want.

Correct. They only have to avoid a stated diversity target to set up their student bodies however they like. Only their committee will know. Unlikely that one top school will want to take 15 kids with Asian surnames from one DC area private or any private for that matter. They can slice and dice their acceptances however they like.

What would be the value to the university of taking 15 kids with Asian surnames from the same high school?

Huh? There could be tremendous value, depending on what those kids do. But I am also so sick of the idea that the system is unfair, rigged or racist if a school doesn’t take the top 15 GPA and test scores, which I would argue you can’t even know bc each kid takes a different schedule of classes. Top colleges admit holistically so they are free to choose kids with best essays, LOR, community service or whatever they deem as building the best holistic admission application.

This is what so many people fail to understand about the college admissions process.

Colleges select kids based on one metric and one metric alone - their expected value to the school. For some, that will mean a huge contribution from their parents. For others, it will mean an improved athletic program, leading to more donations. For others, it will be exceptional participation in clubs and activities, which correlates directly to - you guessed it - contributions back to the university. For others, it will be a likelihood of future high-profile accomplishments, which generate donations to the university from others.

Admissions officers aren't rewarding kids who did great things in high school - they're making investments into kids who are likely to bring a return back to the university somehow. I wasn't the best student at my excellent university, but I made incredible contributions to several groups through my extracurricular endeavors and helped thousands to enjoy their college experience more than they would have without my presence. And I've made financial contributions back to my school from my well-paying job.

My university took a chance on me and that chance paid off.

Lol

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Take a step back and consider why Ivies are so direly important to you. The most valuable people at all my jobs have rarely come from Ivies. They're more often smart and empathetic people with passion for what they do. They represent different viewpoints, not just the typical private school and highly-regarded college experience. Not having things handed to them helps them relate to more people and contribute different perspectives. So relax your Ivy-fixated self and focus on the bigger picture.

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Anonymous wrote:Andover. Exeter. Deerfield. Choate. Lawrenceville. Nothing in DMV.

Not even those anymore.

Exeter had one acceptance to Harvard last year. One.

That's shocking. Why?: I'm not a fancy boarding school fan but that stat blows my mind.

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Anonymous wrote:The Top 70
Rank/High School - State/% Attending Ivy League College/Average # Annual Ivy League Matriculation



1 Trinity School - NY 37% 39

2 Collegiate School - NY 37% 20

3 The Brearley School - NY 36% 21

4 Roxbury Latin School - MA 35% 19

5 Winsor School - MA 33% 18

6 Dalton School - NY 32% 36

7 Spence School - NY 31% 19

8 Horace Mann School - NY 29% 52

9 Chapin School - NY 28% 16

10 Riverdale Country School - NY 26% 32

11 Noble & Greenough School - MA 26% 30

12 National Cathedral School - DC 26% 18

13 St. Paul's School - NH 24% 36

14 Hunter College High School - NY 23% 48

15 Rye Country Day School - NY 23% 23

16 Phillips Academy - Andover - MA 22% 70

17 Lawrenceville School - NJ 22% 49

18 St. Albans School - DC 22% 18

19 Belmont Hill School - MA 22% 18

20 Phillips Exeter Academy - NH 21% 68

21 Deerfield Academy - MA 21% 43

22 Hotchkiss School - CT 21% 37

23 Groton School - MA 21% 18

24 Milton Academy - MA 20% 37

25 Brunswick School - CT 20% 19

26 The Nightingale-Bamford School - NY 20% 8

27 Harvard-Westlake School - CA 19% 54

28 Choate Rosemary Hall - CT 19% 44

29 Hopkins School - CT 19% 26

30 Greenwich Academy - CT 19% 17

31 Saint Ann's School - NY 19% 15

32 Sidwell Friends School - DC 18% 22

33 St. Mark's School of Texas - TX 18% 16

34 High Technology High School - NJ 18% 13

35 Ransom Everglades School - FL 17% 23

36 San Francisco University High School - CA 17% 16

37 Kent Place School - NJ 17% 12

38 Castilleja School - CA 17% 11

39 Bergen County Academies - NJ 16% 44

40 Lakeside School - WA 16% 24

41 Pingry School - NJ 16% 22

42 Episcopal Academy - PA 16% 21

43 Buckingham Browne & Nichols School - MA 16% 21

44 Polytechnic School - CA 16% 14

45 Westminster Schools - GA 15% 30

46 Harker School - CA 15% 26

47 Delbarton School - NJ 15% 20

48 Germantown Friends School - PA 15% 15

49 Thacher School - CA 15% 10

50 The Bishop's School - CA 14% 18

51 Newark Academy - NJ 14% 15

52 Princeton Day School - NJ 14% 14

53 Ramaz School - NY 14% 14

54 The College Preparatory School - CA 14% 12

55 The Branson School - CA 14% 11

56 Convent of the Sacred Heart - NY 14% 6

57 Commonwealth School - MA 14% 5

58 Ethical Culture Fieldston School - NY 13% 20

59 Menlo School - CA 13% 19

60 Regis High School - NY 13% 17

61 University of Chicago Laboratory Schools - IL 13% 16

62 Middlesex School - MA 13% 14

63 Hackley School - NY 13% 12

64 Marlborough School - CA 13% 10

65 Friends Seminary - NY 13% 10

66 Baldwin School - PA 13% 9

67 Pine Crest School - FL 12% 26

68 St. John's School - TX 12% 21

69 Georgetown Day School - DC 12% 15

70 Lick-Wilmerding High School - CA 12% 14

This is great! I don't see Holton Arms on this list. Isn't it considered a "Big 3" in the DMV? Yet low Ivy admission rates?

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Anonymous wrote:Andover. Exeter. Deerfield. Choate. Lawrenceville. Nothing in DMV.

Not even those anymore.

Exeter had one acceptance to Harvard last year. One.

That's shocking. Why?: I'm not a fancy boarding school fan but that stat blows my mind.

I find this hard to believe. When I was in undergrad, there were at least 20-30 kids from PEA in my class. This wasn’t all that long ago. If true, that is extremely surprising.

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TJ sends 25% of its kids (over 100) to T20 schools each year. So save your cash and try to get your kid into the free public that outdoes almost every school on that list. Plus easy admits to UVA, Tech and free rides at Pitt, Purdue, UIUC.