Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was very against the bike lane in my neighborhood (Kenyon St NW) because I thought it would just take up parking space and go unused like other bike lanes nearby (Warder, Park Pl). Instead it connected the area and now I see dozens of cyclists during my commute. So I’ll eat my words - it’s been fantastic for the neighborhood! It hasn’t added much traffic either, my commute time by car hasn’t changed.

Do you prefer better transit access or bike lanes? That is the question.

The Columbia Rd bike lane had on average 190 counts every day in the month of October. If people were going both directions, then that is 95 individual riders. You can fit than many people in a handful of buses. Do you think limited public space should go to this inefficient purpose or to improve transit options in some of the most densely populated neighborhoods in the city?

No, it’s not the question. Stop pretending that bike lanes somehow reduce transit access. Everyone who is pro bike lane is pro transit.

Setting aside valuable public land for the use of 95 people a day on bicycles instead of allowing for potentially thousands to use it for transit is exactly what it is. Shameful.

The two have nothing to do with each other. The bike lane replaced a lane that was previously for cars. It did not displace any buses. Your point is irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was very against the bike lane in my neighborhood (Kenyon St NW) because I thought it would just take up parking space and go unused like other bike lanes nearby (Warder, Park Pl). Instead it connected the area and now I see dozens of cyclists during my commute. So I’ll eat my words - it’s been fantastic for the neighborhood! It hasn’t added much traffic either, my commute time by car hasn’t changed.

Do you prefer better transit access or bike lanes? That is the question.

The Columbia Rd bike lane had on average 190 counts every day in the month of October. If people were going both directions, then that is 95 individual riders. You can fit than many people in a handful of buses. Do you think limited public space should go to this inefficient purpose or to improve transit options in some of the most densely populated neighborhoods in the city?

No, it’s not the question. Stop pretending that bike lanes somehow reduce transit access. Everyone who is pro bike lane is pro transit.

Setting aside valuable public land for the use of 95 people a day on bicycles instead of allowing for potentially thousands to use it for transit is exactly what it is. Shameful.

The two have nothing to do with each other. The bike lane replaced a lane that was previously for cars. It did not displace any buses. Your point is irrelevant.

Agreed. The issue with buses isn't a lack of road space. It's that the buses don't run frequently enough or on routes that connect well. I spent years with an alternating transit/bike commute between DC and Alexandria based on weather etc. The bike was always always faster, and way more flexible because I didn't have to catch one bus at a specific time per hour and God help me if it was running early. I'm 100% positive this wasn't because the Mt Vernon trail was built using funds that would have otherwise gone to more frequent buses. This argument is totally absurd.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was very against the bike lane in my neighborhood (Kenyon St NW) because I thought it would just take up parking space and go unused like other bike lanes nearby (Warder, Park Pl). Instead it connected the area and now I see dozens of cyclists during my commute. So I’ll eat my words - it’s been fantastic for the neighborhood! It hasn’t added much traffic either, my commute time by car hasn’t changed.

Do you prefer better transit access or bike lanes? That is the question.

The Columbia Rd bike lane had on average 190 counts every day in the month of October. If people were going both directions, then that is 95 individual riders. You can fit than many people in a handful of buses. Do you think limited public space should go to this inefficient purpose or to improve transit options in some of the most densely populated neighborhoods in the city?

No, it’s not the question. Stop pretending that bike lanes somehow reduce transit access. Everyone who is pro bike lane is pro transit.

Setting aside valuable public land for the use of 95 people a day on bicycles instead of allowing for potentially thousands to use it for transit is exactly what it is. Shameful.

Since the MoCo BRT isn't funded in the near future, and the focus is on vision zero, why is taking away public land from tens of thousands of people driving in cars for the 95 people on bicycles ok? Makes no sense to me - will just make traffic more unbearable than it already is

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I was very against the bike lane in my neighborhood (Kenyon St NW) because I thought it would just take up parking space and go unused like other bike lanes nearby (Warder, Park Pl). Instead it connected the area and now I see dozens of cyclists during my commute. So I’ll eat my words - it’s been fantastic for the neighborhood! It hasn’t added much traffic either, my commute time by car hasn’t changed.

Do you prefer better transit access or bike lanes? That is the question.

The Columbia Rd bike lane had on average 190 counts every day in the month of October. If people were going both directions, then that is 95 individual riders. You can fit than many people in a handful of buses. Do you think limited public space should go to this inefficient purpose or to improve transit options in some of the most densely populated neighborhoods in the city?

No, it’s not the question. Stop pretending that bike lanes somehow reduce transit access. Everyone who is pro bike lane is pro transit.

Setting aside valuable public land for the use of 95 people a day on bicycles instead of allowing for potentially thousands to use it for transit is exactly what it is. Shameful.

The two have nothing to do with each other. The bike lane replaced a lane that was previously for cars. It did not displace any buses. Your point is irrelevant.

You are either dumb enough to think that buses did not use that traffic lane previously or dumb enough to think that other people wouldn’t. Allocating that lane for sole bicycle use makes it unavailable for transit use.

[Anonymous]

Let's be real. People driving cars are hogging the roads. Everyone else gets scraps. They like to try to pit us against each other but there's no question that the real problem is that we give too much space to individuals driving alone in oversized cars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. People driving cars are hogging the roads. Everyone else gets scraps. They like to try to pit us against each other but there's no question that the real problem is that we give too much space to individuals driving alone in oversized cars.

Right on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. People driving cars are hogging the roads. Everyone else gets scraps. They like to try to pit us against each other but there's no question that the real problem is that we give too much space to individuals driving alone in oversized cars.

At least there are using the public resource. What good is allowing cyclists to hoard a public good for the exclusive use of 95 people per day? Imagine if the road was closed to everyone but 95 cars per day? Or a total of 95 transit passenger per day? Crazy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. People driving cars are hogging the roads. Everyone else gets scraps. They like to try to pit us against each other but there's no question that the real problem is that we give too much space to individuals driving alone in oversized cars.

At least there are using the public resource. What good is allowing cyclists to hoard a public good for the exclusive use of 95 people per day? Imagine if the road was closed to everyone but 95 cars per day? Or a total of 95 transit passenger per day? Crazy.

Cyclists don't "hoard" the road. They take up about a hundredth the space of a standard vehicle and don't have a habit of blocking the entire lane and backing up traffic when they need to pull in to a parking space or stop - with hazard lights flashing of course - to make a delivery or pick up a rider.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. People driving cars are hogging the roads. Everyone else gets scraps. They like to try to pit us against each other but there's no question that the real problem is that we give too much space to individuals driving alone in oversized cars.

At least there are using the public resource. What good is allowing cyclists to hoard a public good for the exclusive use of 95 people per day? Imagine if the road was closed to everyone but 95 cars per day? Or a total of 95 transit passenger per day? Crazy.

Where's this 95/day coming from? A ticker on Chrismas morning? Most of the cycletracks in the city see that amount of traffic or more per hour.

[Anonymous]

Has no one ever been to Europe. Netherlands and other places just as dense as DC do bike lanes just fine.

I don’t bike to work but I wish I could. DC biked to school for many years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. People driving cars are hogging the roads. Everyone else gets scraps. They like to try to pit us against each other but there's no question that the real problem is that we give too much space to individuals driving alone in oversized cars.

At least there are using the public resource. What good is allowing cyclists to hoard a public good for the exclusive use of 95 people per day? Imagine if the road was closed to everyone but 95 cars per day? Or a total of 95 transit passenger per day? Crazy.

Where's this 95/day coming from? A ticker on Chrismas morning? Most of the cycletracks in the city see that amount of traffic or more per hour.

It's like one person and maybe their buddy or two trying to repeat taking points into facts. Normal people ignore them and their attempts at erections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. People driving cars are hogging the roads. Everyone else gets scraps. They like to try to pit us against each other but there's no question that the real problem is that we give too much space to individuals driving alone in oversized cars.

At least there are using the public resource. What good is allowing cyclists to hoard a public good for the exclusive use of 95 people per day? Imagine if the road was closed to everyone but 95 cars per day? Or a total of 95 transit passenger per day? Crazy.

Where's this 95/day coming from? A ticker on Chrismas morning? Most of the cycletracks in the city see that amount of traffic or more per hour.

All of the data is publicly reported by DDOT. You can go and confirm the Columbia Rd counts yourself if you cared about actual knowledge and data. Instead you seem very intent on being ignorant, which is fine too.

In September 2022, the Columbia Rd bike lane recorded 7764 bikes for the entire month. That is 258 per day and if people are going both directions it would be a total of less than 130 cyclists. That same month, the 11th Street NW bike lane had a total of 6968 counts. The East Capitol Street bike lane had 7192 counts.

The most recent data for the 15th Street Cycletrack is July 2020 during the supposed COVID cycling boom and it recorded 422 counts per day or about 210 individuals going both directions.

Instead of living in reality, you have chosen to live in a fantasy world of your own creation. Facts are facts and the truth is that public resources are being hoarded for the benefit of a very small number of people.

[Anonymous]

Exactly how many people are driving on those streets at the same time?

[Anonymous]

Anti bikers miss so many points. If more people bike that is less congestion, less gas, less pollution, better environment. There is also more exercise, better exercise, better health.

The bike lanes were to make hiking more feasible in DC. I don’t bike in DC but at can’t understand why people can’t see the benefits. Hopefully, younger people will be swayed. It is a great mode of transportation that has many benefits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Exactly how many people are driving on those streets at the same time?

Exactly. Those streets are getting more traffic volume of cars and buses in one day than the number of cyclists in one month. Hoarding valuable pulkic resources for a select few individuals is indefensible.