Nanny injury?

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter got a concussion from a softball bat being dropped (not even swung) on her head. Those things are super light. My kid was out of school for a week and spent most of the time resting/asleep.

You'd be surprised how little force it takes for a concussion.

There’s nearly no give to a bat. So when makes contact with your head, another object with very little give, all the energy from the fall will get transferred in an instant.

The OP described the daughter raising her foot and kicking the nanny. Your knee will partially give when your foot contacts the head. Plus it probably wouldn’t even be moving as fast as a dropped bat.

The nanny might have a good reason for needing a break from work, but I doubt it is a concussion from the 8 year old.

I know of no medical doctor who would diagnose a patient without first examining them. You should write an article for JAMA and share your knowledge about diagnosing concussions on a patient you have never seen and can only go on what one person has said and this person has reason to distort facts because she could be liable

We’re all blindly commenting on the likelihood the story is made up, given none of us saw what happened or examined her. But, under the assumption that the OP’s daughter accurately described what happened, I think any reasonable person with a basic understanding of the mechanism of concussions would agree that one would be unlikely to occur in that situation.

I don’t know that your assumption is true. But it really doesn’t matter if it’s unlikely because the standard is not whether it was unlikely but whether it actually did not cause a concussion.

None of us know if the nanny has a concussion, and if she does, the cause of it. All we can do is discuss the plausibility of the story. The story that she got a concussion from the child accidentally kicking her while getting help with her shoes is not a plausible story. The forces involved wouldn’t be sufficient to cause a concussion unless the kid is an accomplished youth soccer player and got a running start into the kick.

OP - yes it was actually getting help putting on her socks!! None of it makes much sense. But the nanny had a paid week off and we’ll see if she shows up on Monday. We did speak to our insurance broker so we’re covered for whatever we might need.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's strange but considering my husband got a concussion while playing with my son at a playground and my son accidentally running into/tackling his dad, I can definitely see how it's possible she did actually get a concussion from your daughter kicking her. I would choose to believe your nanny and tell her you're so sorry that happened and continue to pay her. I would not demand an explanation unless you need to for insurance purposes. Does it feel scammy to you because you don't trust your nanny or because you can't afford to have her gone right now/need her working and are therefore choosing not to believe her?

Running into someone is far, far more likely to cause a concussion than what the OP described. Further, you don't need a week to recover from a concussion. This really doesn’t make any sense.

Yes. You often need longer than a week for concussion recovery. The op framed this as a scam so it’s being discussed that way. The nanny didn’t communicate well which can lend itself to that perception. But also if she truly has a brain injury calling anyone is prob last thing on the list.

Time will tell what the real story is though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's strange but considering my husband got a concussion while playing with my son at a playground and my son accidentally running into/tackling his dad, I can definitely see how it's possible she did actually get a concussion from your daughter kicking her. I would choose to believe your nanny and tell her you're so sorry that happened and continue to pay her. I would not demand an explanation unless you need to for insurance purposes. Does it feel scammy to you because you don't trust your nanny or because you can't afford to have her gone right now/need her working and are therefore choosing not to believe her?

Running into someone is far, far more likely to cause a concussion than what the OP described. Further, you don't need a week to recover from a concussion. This really doesn’t make any sense.

Yes. You often need longer than a week for concussion recovery. The op framed this as a scam so it’s being discussed that way. The nanny didn’t communicate well which can lend itself to that perception. But also if she truly has a brain injury calling anyone is prob last thing on the list.

Time will tell what the real story is though.

OP
I didn’t mean to frame it as a scam, some of the feedback here has been helpful. But I do think it’s a scam as she just wanted a paid week off and didn’t want to be upfront as she’s missed so many days over the last few weeks. But I will share an update when I have one. We paid her for the week but we haven’t heard from her

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter got a concussion from a softball bat being dropped (not even swung) on her head. Those things are super light. My kid was out of school for a week and spent most of the time resting/asleep.

You'd be surprised how little force it takes for a concussion.

There’s nearly no give to a bat. So when makes contact with your head, another object with very little give, all the energy from the fall will get transferred in an instant.

The OP described the daughter raising her foot and kicking the nanny. Your knee will partially give when your foot contacts the head. Plus it probably wouldn’t even be moving as fast as a dropped bat.

The nanny might have a good reason for needing a break from work, but I doubt it is a concussion from the 8 year old.

I know of no medical doctor who would diagnose a patient without first examining them. You should write an article for JAMA and share your knowledge about diagnosing concussions on a patient you have never seen and can only go on what one person has said and this person has reason to distort facts because she could be liable

We’re all blindly commenting on the likelihood the story is made up, given none of us saw what happened or examined her. But, under the assumption that the OP’s daughter accurately described what happened, I think any reasonable person with a basic understanding of the mechanism of concussions would agree that one would be unlikely to occur in that situation.

I don’t know that your assumption is true. But it really doesn’t matter if it’s unlikely because the standard is not whether it was unlikely but whether it actually did not cause a concussion.

None of us know if the nanny has a concussion, and if she does, the cause of it. All we can do is discuss the plausibility of the story. The story that she got a concussion from the child accidentally kicking her while getting help with her shoes is not a plausible story. The forces involved wouldn’t be sufficient to cause a concussion unless the kid is an accomplished youth soccer player and got a running start into the kick.

OP - yes it was actually getting help putting on her socks!! None of it makes much sense. But the nanny had a paid week off and we’ll see if she shows up on Monday. We did speak to our insurance broker so we’re covered for whatever we might need.

At 8, I was kneed on the side of my face by a cousin and it tore my retina. Don’t buy the argument that knees “give” and can’t do damage. My cousin didn’t even hit my eye directly. The force travels.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's strange but considering my husband got a concussion while playing with my son at a playground and my son accidentally running into/tackling his dad, I can definitely see how it's possible she did actually get a concussion from your daughter kicking her. I would choose to believe your nanny and tell her you're so sorry that happened and continue to pay her. I would not demand an explanation unless you need to for insurance purposes. Does it feel scammy to you because you don't trust your nanny or because you can't afford to have her gone right now/need her working and are therefore choosing not to believe her?

Running into someone is far, far more likely to cause a concussion than what the OP described. Further, you don't need a week to recover from a concussion. This really doesn’t make any sense.

Yes. You often need longer than a week for concussion recovery. The op framed this as a scam so it’s being discussed that way. The nanny didn’t communicate well which can lend itself to that perception. But also if she truly has a brain injury calling anyone is prob last thing on the list.

Time will tell what the real story is though.

OP
I didn’t mean to frame it as a scam, some of the feedback here has been helpful. But I do think it’s a scam as she just wanted a paid week off and didn’t want to be upfront as she’s missed so many days over the last few weeks. But I will share an update when I have one. We paid her for the week but we haven’t heard from her

With your above post there is no way you can continue with this nanny. You do not trust her and you cannot hide your feeling. She will pick up on your feeling and probably quit. Let her go and you need to stay home and take care of your children..

Trust is the foundation of any
employee/employer relationship. You don't trust her and if she reads DCUM, she will have zero respect and trust for you and I do not blame her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's strange but considering my husband got a concussion while playing with my son at a playground and my son accidentally running into/tackling his dad, I can definitely see how it's possible she did actually get a concussion from your daughter kicking her. I would choose to believe your nanny and tell her you're so sorry that happened and continue to pay her. I would not demand an explanation unless you need to for insurance purposes. Does it feel scammy to you because you don't trust your nanny or because you can't afford to have her gone right now/need her working and are therefore choosing not to believe her?

Running into someone is far, far more likely to cause a concussion than what the OP described. Further, you don't need a week to recover from a concussion. This really doesn’t make any sense.

Yes. You often need longer than a week for concussion recovery. The op framed this as a scam so it’s being discussed that way. The nanny didn’t communicate well which can lend itself to that perception. But also if she truly has a brain injury calling anyone is prob last thing on the list.

Time will tell what the real story is though.

You might need a week to get back to 100%, but no, most people don’t need a week to be able to start working again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter got a concussion from a softball bat being dropped (not even swung) on her head. Those things are super light. My kid was out of school for a week and spent most of the time resting/asleep.

You'd be surprised how little force it takes for a concussion.

There’s nearly no give to a bat. So when makes contact with your head, another object with very little give, all the energy from the fall will get transferred in an instant.

The OP described the daughter raising her foot and kicking the nanny. Your knee will partially give when your foot contacts the head. Plus it probably wouldn’t even be moving as fast as a dropped bat.

The nanny might have a good reason for needing a break from work, but I doubt it is a concussion from the 8 year old.

I know of no medical doctor who would diagnose a patient without first examining them. You should write an article for JAMA and share your knowledge about diagnosing concussions on a patient you have never seen and can only go on what one person has said and this person has reason to distort facts because she could be liable

We’re all blindly commenting on the likelihood the story is made up, given none of us saw what happened or examined her. But, under the assumption that the OP’s daughter accurately described what happened, I think any reasonable person with a basic understanding of the mechanism of concussions would agree that one would be unlikely to occur in that situation.

I don’t know that your assumption is true. But it really doesn’t matter if it’s unlikely because the standard is not whether it was unlikely but whether it actually did not cause a concussion.

None of us know if the nanny has a concussion, and if she does, the cause of it. All we can do is discuss the plausibility of the story. The story that she got a concussion from the child accidentally kicking her while getting help with her shoes is not a plausible story. The forces involved wouldn’t be sufficient to cause a concussion unless the kid is an accomplished youth soccer player and got a running start into the kick.

OP - yes it was actually getting help putting on her socks!! None of it makes much sense. But the nanny had a paid week off and we’ll see if she shows up on Monday. We did speak to our insurance broker so we’re covered for whatever we might need.

At 8, I was kneed on the side of my face by a cousin and it tore my retina. Don’t buy the argument that knees “give” and can’t do damage. My cousin didn’t even hit my eye directly. The force travels.

A knee is different than a foot. Again, think about the physics involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's strange but considering my husband got a concussion while playing with my son at a playground and my son accidentally running into/tackling his dad, I can definitely see how it's possible she did actually get a concussion from your daughter kicking her. I would choose to believe your nanny and tell her you're so sorry that happened and continue to pay her. I would not demand an explanation unless you need to for insurance purposes. Does it feel scammy to you because you don't trust your nanny or because you can't afford to have her gone right now/need her working and are therefore choosing not to believe her?

Running into someone is far, far more likely to cause a concussion than what the OP described. Further, you don't need a week to recover from a concussion. This really doesn’t make any sense.

Yes. You often need longer than a week for concussion recovery. The op framed this as a scam so it’s being discussed that way. The nanny didn’t communicate well which can lend itself to that perception. But also if she truly has a brain injury calling anyone is prob last thing on the list.

Time will tell what the real story is though.

OP
I didn’t mean to frame it as a scam, some of the feedback here has been helpful. But I do think it’s a scam as she just wanted a paid week off and didn’t want to be upfront as she’s missed so many days over the last few weeks. But I will share an update when I have one. We paid her for the week but we haven’t heard from her

With your above post there is no way you can continue with this nanny. You do not trust her and you cannot hide your feeling. She will pick up on your feeling and probably quit. Let her go and you need to stay home and take care of your children..

Trust is the foundation of any
employee/employer relationship. You don't trust her and if she reads DCUM, she will have zero respect and trust for you and I do not blame her.

Two words. Retaliatory Discharge. Do NOT listen to this person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's strange but considering my husband got a concussion while playing with my son at a playground and my son accidentally running into/tackling his dad, I can definitely see how it's possible she did actually get a concussion from your daughter kicking her. I would choose to believe your nanny and tell her you're so sorry that happened and continue to pay her. I would not demand an explanation unless you need to for insurance purposes. Does it feel scammy to you because you don't trust your nanny or because you can't afford to have her gone right now/need her working and are therefore choosing not to believe her?

Running into someone is far, far more likely to cause a concussion than what the OP described. Further, you don't need a week to recover from a concussion. This really doesn’t make any sense.

Yes. You often need longer than a week for concussion recovery. The op framed this as a scam so it’s being discussed that way. The nanny didn’t communicate well which can lend itself to that perception. But also if she truly has a brain injury calling anyone is prob last thing on the list.

Time will tell what the real story is though.

There’s a good chance she was doing a trial for the last few weeks and that’s why she was out so much. She’s probably starting a new position on Monday

OP
I didn’t mean to frame it as a scam, some of the feedback here has been helpful. But I do think it’s a scam as she just wanted a paid week off and didn’t want to be upfront as she’s missed so many days over the last few weeks. But I will share an update when I have one. We paid her for the week but we haven’t heard from her

With your above post there is no way you can continue with this nanny. You do not trust her and you cannot hide your feeling. She will pick up on your feeling and probably quit. Let her go and you need to stay home and take care of your children..

Trust is the foundation of any
employee/employer relationship. You don't trust her and if she reads DCUM, she will have zero respect and trust for you and I do not blame her.

Two words. Retaliatory Discharge. Do NOT listen to this person.

[Anonymous]

OP, you need to sit down with her and make a clear sick leave/pay plan as this is too much for one person early on. I would expect a doctor's note or from the ER and ask her what her follow up care needs to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My daughter got a concussion from a softball bat being dropped (not even swung) on her head. Those things are super light. My kid was out of school for a week and spent most of the time resting/asleep.

You'd be surprised how little force it takes for a concussion.

There’s nearly no give to a bat. So when makes contact with your head, another object with very little give, all the energy from the fall will get transferred in an instant.

The OP described the daughter raising her foot and kicking the nanny. Your knee will partially give when your foot contacts the head. Plus it probably wouldn’t even be moving as fast as a dropped bat.

The nanny might have a good reason for needing a break from work, but I doubt it is a concussion from the 8 year old.

I know of no medical doctor who would diagnose a patient without first examining them. You should write an article for JAMA and share your knowledge about diagnosing concussions on a patient you have never seen and can only go on what one person has said and this person has reason to distort facts because she could be liable

We’re all blindly commenting on the likelihood the story is made up, given none of us saw what happened or examined her. But, under the assumption that the OP’s daughter accurately described what happened, I think any reasonable person with a basic understanding of the mechanism of concussions would agree that one would be unlikely to occur in that situation.

I don’t know that your assumption is true. But it really doesn’t matter if it’s unlikely because the standard is not whether it was unlikely but whether it actually did not cause a concussion.

None of us know if the nanny has a concussion, and if she does, the cause of it. All we can do is discuss the plausibility of the story. The story that she got a concussion from the child accidentally kicking her while getting help with her shoes is not a plausible story. The forces involved wouldn’t be sufficient to cause a concussion unless the kid is an accomplished youth soccer player and got a running start into the kick.

She could have been injured with her own child or another time. I'd put up camera's.

[Anonymous]

I hope the nanny is talking to a workman’s comp lawyer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, you need to sit down with her and make a clear sick leave/pay plan as this is too much for one person early on. I would expect a doctor's note or from the ER and ask her what her follow up care needs to be.

OP - thanks, yes it’s been one thing after another. I’ll actually be surprised if she comes back! We do have a full employment agreement but there’s been a lot of creep with the time off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you need to sit down with her and make a clear sick leave/pay plan as this is too much for one person early on. I would expect a doctor's note or from the ER and ask her what her follow up care needs to be.

OP - thanks, yes it’s been one thing after another. I’ll actually be surprised if she comes back! We do have a full employment agreement but there’s been a lot of creep with the time off.

Yeah, from what you’ve described, it sure sounds like she made up this story trying to buy herself some time to figure out if she wants to quit. Start making backup plans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you need to sit down with her and make a clear sick leave/pay plan as this is too much for one person early on. I would expect a doctor's note or from the ER and ask her what her follow up care needs to be.

OP - thanks, yes it’s been one thing after another. I’ll actually be surprised if she comes back! We do have a full employment agreement but there’s been a lot of creep with the time off.

Yeah, from what you’ve described, it sure sounds like she made up this story trying to buy herself some time to figure out if she wants to quit. Start making backup plans.

She just sent an update that she’s still dizzy so she’ll be going to the doctor on Monday…