FCPS kids going out of state

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Anonymous wrote:DD is a junior and starting to look at schools. Stats wise probably competitive for VT, JMU, W&M, not UVA. If your FCPS kid went to a public/private out of state, what was the thinking behind it? DD wants to live “somewhere other than VA” which we get but VA has so many great schools that it is tough to think about paying twice as much to go elsewhere (we are full pay but have other kids as well).

This is easy. People in Virginia often go OOS if they didn’t get into UVA, WM, or tech. The rest of them seem like regional universities (even though they are very good) and students can get into other states’ flagships. Lots of people transfer into those first three from out of state in their second year.

What? This is not at all true for many. My DS did get into VA state schools (UVA, WM, etc.) but he opted for a school not in VA. His reason was that he wanted the opportunity to meet kids who were from all parts of the country and felt that while VA schools had OOS students, the vast majority are from similar circles.

So many students claim to want diversity at the college they attend. There are so many different types of diversity that hold great value to a student body. Not wanting college to feel like a 13th year of high school is certainly one.

Virginia is huge, how can you kids be in the same circle in college? We're in Fairfax County and my kids barely know anyone outside of it. Except for Loudoun.

Exactly. Such a silly reason, especially when there are excellent large state schools here where it’s almost guaranteed you won’t see people you know from HS unless you go out of your way to find them. My DC is at VT and her group of friends there consists of many OOS kids, as well as those from different parts of VA. She’s working hard and having a blast - and would laugh at the characterization of “a 13th year of high school.”

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Anonymous wrote:DD is a junior and starting to look at schools. Stats wise probably competitive for VT, JMU, W&M, not UVA. If your FCPS kid went to a public/private out of state, what was the thinking behind it? DD wants to live “somewhere other than VA” which we get but VA has so many great schools that it is tough to think about paying twice as much to go elsewhere (we are full pay but have other kids as well).

This is easy. People in Virginia often go OOS if they didn’t get into UVA, WM, or tech. The rest of them seem like regional universities (even though they are very good) and students can get into other states’ flagships. Lots of people transfer into those first three from out of state in their second year.

What? This is not at all true for many. My DS did get into VA state schools (UVA, WM, etc.) but he opted for a school not in VA. His reason was that he wanted the opportunity to meet kids who were from all parts of the country and felt that while VA schools had OOS students, the vast majority are from similar circles.

So many students claim to want diversity at the college they attend. There are so many different types of diversity that hold great value to a student body. Not wanting college to feel like a 13th year of high school is certainly one.

Virginia is huge, how can you kids be in the same circle in college? We're in Fairfax County and my kids barely know anyone outside of it. Except for Loudoun.

Exactly. Such a silly reason, especially when there are excellent large state schools here where it’s almost guaranteed you won’t see people you know from HS unless you go out of your way to find them. My DC is at VT and her group of friends there consists of many OOS kids, as well as those from different parts of VA. She’s working hard and having a blast - and would laugh at the characterization of “a 13th year of high school.”

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Honestly, I think some people haughtily make the “13th grade” non-argument because their kids didn’t get in. I mean I understand kids wanting to go OOS for school, but that’s a ridiculous “reason” to give.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:DD is a junior and starting to look at schools. Stats wise probably competitive for VT, JMU, W&M, not UVA. If your FCPS kid went to a public/private out of state, what was the thinking behind it? DD wants to live “somewhere other than VA” which we get but VA has so many great schools that it is tough to think about paying twice as much to go elsewhere (we are full pay but have other kids as well).

This is easy. People in Virginia often go OOS if they didn’t get into UVA, WM, or tech. The rest of them seem like regional universities (even though they are very good) and students can get into other states’ flagships. Lots of people transfer into those first three from out of state in their second year.

What? This is not at all true for many. My DS did get into VA state schools (UVA, WM, etc.) but he opted for a school not in VA. His reason was that he wanted the opportunity to meet kids who were from all parts of the country and felt that while VA schools had OOS students, the vast majority are from similar circles.

So many students claim to want diversity at the college they attend. There are so many different types of diversity that hold great value to a student body. Not wanting college to feel like a 13th year of high school is certainly one.

Virginia is huge, how can you kids be in the same circle in college? We're in Fairfax County and my kids barely know anyone outside of it. Except for Loudoun.

I think PP meant that there are significant cultural differences throughout our country that are important to experience.
Kids from Fairfax are most likely quite similar to kids from Loudon, etc.

PP here....And you're telling me NoVA including Fairfax County is not culturally diverse? LOL. I'm Hispanic and I attended GMU. Nothing more diverse than GMU!

If you exclude yourself from diversity in this area, you'll exclude yourself from diversity anywhere else!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD is a junior and starting to look at schools. Stats wise probably competitive for VT, JMU, W&M, not UVA. If your FCPS kid went to a public/private out of state, what was the thinking behind it? DD wants to live “somewhere other than VA” which we get but VA has so many great schools that it is tough to think about paying twice as much to go elsewhere (we are full pay but have other kids as well).

This is easy. People in Virginia often go OOS if they didn’t get into UVA, WM, or tech. The rest of them seem like regional universities (even though they are very good) and students can get into other states’ flagships. Lots of people transfer into those first three from out of state in their second year.

What? This is not at all true for many. My DS did get into VA state schools (UVA, WM, etc.) but he opted for a school not in VA. His reason was that he wanted the opportunity to meet kids who were from all parts of the country and felt that while VA schools had OOS students, the vast majority are from similar circles.

So many students claim to want diversity at the college they attend. There are so many different types of diversity that hold great value to a student body. Not wanting college to feel like a 13th year of high school is certainly one.

Virginia is huge, how can you kids be in the same circle in college? We're in Fairfax County and my kids barely know anyone outside of it. Except for Loudoun.

I think PP meant that there are significant cultural differences throughout our country that are important to experience.
Kids from Fairfax are most likely quite similar to kids from Loudon, etc.

PP here....And you're telling me NoVA including Fairfax County is not culturally diverse? LOL. I'm Hispanic and I attended GMU. Nothing more diverse than GMU!

If you exclude yourself from diversity in this area, you'll exclude yourself from diversity anywhere else!

How was your experience at a NoVA high school different from that of the white kids at the same high school?

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But isn't that one of the reasons people say they love to travel? To see different areas, experience new cultures, to meet people who were raised and live differently than you. Why would attending college away from your home state not hold the same allure and advantages?

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Why are people threatened when other people's children decide to go out of state?

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Ahhhhhh - so aggravating that I can’t respond to a post here. I’m really not sure what word I said that is worse than the previous posts here.

Fine, I’ll simplify. Warm-ish states the PP could consider that might work within the parameters - NC and switch out AZ for NM.

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OP asked what the reasoning to pay for an out of state public would be.
1. Merit money at other school made price comparable to in-state tuition;
2. Money not a factor; or
3. OOS program renowned / better for major and perceived to be worth the cost

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Anonymous wrote:OP asked what the reasoning to pay for an out of state public would be.
1. Merit money at other school made price comparable to in-state tuition;
2. Money not a factor; or
3. OOS program renowned / better for major and perceived to be worth the cost

And 4) Don't get into your good state school despite having the credentials or being well above the 75th percentile.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people threatened when other people's children decide to go out of state?

Umm ... because they're not?

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Anonymous wrote:OP asked what the reasoning to pay for an out of state public would be.
1. Merit money at other school made price comparable to in-state tuition;
2. Money not a factor; or
3. OOS program renowned / better for major and perceived to be worth the cost

1 and 3 were the reason my kid went OOS. My child received significant merit (IB program grad) from schools like BU. Generous FA made the enrolled top 20 private national university cost comparable to VT (accepted honors). UVA waitlisted my child but W&M ( accepted with scholarship) was always the top choice. I strongly felt that going OOS would be what my child needed to gain a broader perspective beyond our suburban bubble (I’m a native New Yorker). The reach OOS school offered a higher ranked program and geographic location/opportunities my child wanted and it worked out unexpectedly in our case.

I believe high stat students can get into excellent colleges OOS and should definitely include highly competitive private and public universities and SLACs on their application lists. ED to UVA and W&M are probably good strategies for those who really want to stay instate. My child’s RD applications to reach and OOS schools were all acceptances.

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Anonymous wrote:OP asked what the reasoning to pay for an out of state public would be.
1. Merit money at other school made price comparable to in-state tuition;
2. Money not a factor; or
3. OOS program renowned / better for major and perceived to be worth the cost

1 and 3 were the reason my kid went OOS. My child received significant merit (IB program grad) from schools like BU. Generous FA made the enrolled top 20 private national university cost comparable to VT (accepted honors). UVA waitlisted my child but W&M ( accepted with scholarship) was always the top choice. I strongly felt that going OOS would be what my child needed to gain a broader perspective beyond our suburban bubble (I’m a native New Yorker). The reach OOS school offered a higher ranked program and geographic location/opportunities my child wanted and it worked out unexpectedly in our case.

I believe high stat students can get into excellent colleges OOS and should definitely include highly competitive private and public universities and SLACs on their application lists. ED to UVA and W&M are probably good strategies for those who really want to stay instate. My child’s RD applications to reach and OOS schools were all acceptances.

My oldest went to Michigan on a Shipman Scholarship, given to ten incoming students a year. Tuition and meals paid, and a number of sponsored leadership events and preference on housing better than the football team. It made sense. Youngest daughter went to Princeton. An extraordinary student even by TJ standards, she belonged there despite the expense. I am fortunate- did not helicopter and did not check on grades or homework. Even in college no need to check grades - school was their thing and I trusted them. I was a poor kid raised in a limited education home. I only went to university on athletic scholarship. My only “push” to my kids was to have hundreds of books all around the house and not much TV watching (except for my college bball team, the most well known in the nation). I still think in state schools are a far better value - but had unique circumstances.

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Anonymous wrote:OP asked what the reasoning to pay for an out of state public would be.
1. Merit money at other school made price comparable to in-state tuition;
2. Money not a factor; or
3. OOS program renowned / better for major and perceived to be worth the cost

1 and 3 were the reason my kid went OOS. My child received significant merit (IB program grad) from schools like BU. Generous FA made the enrolled top 20 private national university cost comparable to VT (accepted honors). UVA waitlisted my child but W&M ( accepted with scholarship) was always the top choice. I strongly felt that going OOS would be what my child needed to gain a broader perspective beyond our suburban bubble (I’m a native New Yorker). The reach OOS school offered a higher ranked program and geographic location/opportunities my child wanted and it worked out unexpectedly in our case.

I believe high stat students can get into excellent colleges OOS and should definitely include highly competitive private and public universities and SLACs on their application lists. ED to UVA and W&M are probably good strategies for those who really want to stay instate. My child’s RD applications to reach and OOS schools were all acceptances.

Sure, in theory, but you received "generous FA." Many don't.

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Anonymous wrote:OP asked what the reasoning to pay for an out of state public would be.
1. Merit money at other school made price comparable to in-state tuition;
2. Money not a factor; or
3. OOS program renowned / better for major and perceived to be worth the cost

1 and 3 were the reason my kid went OOS. My child received significant merit (IB program grad) from schools like BU. Generous FA made the enrolled top 20 private national university cost comparable to VT (accepted honors). UVA waitlisted my child but W&M ( accepted with scholarship) was always the top choice. I strongly felt that going OOS would be what my child needed to gain a broader perspective beyond our suburban bubble (I’m a native New Yorker). The reach OOS school offered a higher ranked program and geographic location/opportunities my child wanted and it worked out unexpectedly in our case.

I believe high stat students can get into excellent colleges OOS and should definitely include highly competitive private and public universities and SLACs on their application lists. ED to UVA and W&M are probably good strategies for those who really want to stay instate. My child’s RD applications to reach and OOS schools were all acceptances.

Sure, in theory, but you received "generous FA." Many don't.

This is why why mentioned receiving merit aid at BU. You can find many schools which offer merit aid. We received as much as $40K in merit money. I own a business and I didn’t trust the NPC calculations for our situation. Covid negatively impacted small businesses like mine and thus why we were eligible for FA.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:OP asked what the reasoning to pay for an out of state public would be.
1. Merit money at other school made price comparable to in-state tuition;
2. Money not a factor; or
3. OOS program renowned / better for major and perceived to be worth the cost

1 and 3 were the reason my kid went OOS. My child received significant merit (IB program grad) from schools like BU. Generous FA made the enrolled top 20 private national university cost comparable to VT (accepted honors). UVA waitlisted my child but W&M ( accepted with scholarship) was always the top choice. I strongly felt that going OOS would be what my child needed to gain a broader perspective beyond our suburban bubble (I’m a native New Yorker). The reach OOS school offered a higher ranked program and geographic location/opportunities my child wanted and it worked out unexpectedly in our case.

I believe high stat students can get into excellent colleges OOS and should definitely include highly competitive private and public universities and SLACs on their application lists. ED to UVA and W&M are probably good strategies for those who really want to stay instate. My child’s RD applications to reach and OOS schools were all acceptances.

Sure, in theory, but you received "generous FA." Many don't.

This is why why mentioned receiving merit aid at BU. You can find many schools which offer merit aid. We received as much as $40K in merit money. I own a business and I didn’t trust the NPC calculations for our situation. Covid negatively impacted small businesses like mine and thus why we were eligible for FA.

Indeed. But does it bring the cost down to the cost of an in-state school? IME, no.