FCPS kids going out of state

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Anonymous wrote:DD is a junior and starting to look at schools. Stats wise probably competitive for VT, JMU, W&M, not UVA. If your FCPS kid went to a public/private out of state, what was the thinking behind it? DD wants to live “somewhere other than VA” which we get but VA has so many great schools that it is tough to think about paying twice as much to go elsewhere (we are full pay but have other kids as well).

This is easy. People in Virginia often go OOS if they didn’t get into UVA, WM, or tech. The rest of them seem like regional universities (even though they are very good) and students can get into other states’ flagships. Lots of people transfer into those first three from out of state in their second year.

What? This is not at all true for many. My DS did get into VA state schools (UVA, WM, etc.) but he opted for a school not in VA. His reason was that he wanted the opportunity to meet kids who were from all parts of the country and felt that while VA schools had OOS students, the vast majority are from similar circles.

So many students claim to want diversity at the college they attend. There are so many different types of diversity that hold great value to a student body. Not wanting college to feel like a 13th year of high school is certainly one.

Virginia is huge, how can you kids be in the same circle in college? We're in Fairfax County and my kids barely know anyone outside of it. Except for Loudoun.

Exactly. Such a silly reason, especially when there are excellent large state schools here where it’s almost guaranteed you won’t see people you know from HS unless you go out of your way to find them. My DC is at VT and her group of friends there consists of many OOS kids, as well as those from different parts of VA. She’s working hard and having a blast - and would laugh at the characterization of “a 13th year of high school.”

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Honestly, I think some people haughtily make the “13th grade” non-argument because their kids didn’t get in. I mean I understand kids wanting to go OOS for school, but that’s a ridiculous “reason” to give.
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Langley and McLean HS and UVA all have very similar vibes. “13th grade” doesn’t literally mean “all the same people”. VA has some wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive high schools and no, not all kids want the same experience in college.

And that’s fine. You can send your kids OOS to experience “wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive” students anywhere. You just look and sound extremely insecure if that’s your reason for doing so.

17 year olds are often insecure and overwhelmed by cutthroat competition. You sound like an arrogant, entitled teenager yourself.

Says the jerk who just put down two excellent high schools. The chip on your shoulder must be visible from space.

One of us is confused. You’re responding to me saying Langley/McLean and UVA have similar vibes and some kids don’t want to repeat the experience? They are great high schools AND there is an undeniable vibe that some kids are overwhelmed by and happy to escape. My kids go to one of these schools and I love it. I also understand it’s too much pressure for for some kids and they want something different when they get to make their own choice.

I have no idea why anyone even thinks about why someone would choose to go out of state. It’s a perfectly normal thing to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people threatened when other people's children decide to go out of state?

Umm ... because they're not?

I'm not the pp you quoted.

But they sure seem to be. I've heard it in person, and seen it posted here--parents telling their kids they can ONLY go to an in state public.

Why?

A student with excellent stats will pay less in tuition at some of the larger out of state flagships (like Ole Miss, University of Alabama, etc.) than at Longwood or ODU.

There could be several reasons why a parent tells their child they can only apply to in-state public schools. Why on earth do you think that feeling "threatened" is one of them?

DP. I don’t think it’s because you all feel “threatened.” But I do find it odd that so many NoVa parents insist on paying MORE for in-state public schools that proudly brag about capping admissions from NoVa, when their kids could easily go to out of state schools where they are wanted, and often for less money.

The obvious reason that seems to be escaping you: many/most OOS schools that offer enough merit aid to be comparable to in-state costs are not the best schools. Not sure why you refuse to acknowledge that.
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I'm not the pp you directly quoted, but my quote (specifically mentioning Ole Miss and Alabama) is earlier in the quotes.

"Not the best schools..." Plenty of VA public in states are also "not the best schools."

If my kid has a choice of:
A) paying in state tuition at basically any VA school other than UVA, WM, or VT

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B) paying significantly less to go to an out of state flagship like Alabama, Ole Miss, WVU, Arizona state, etc.

and my student doesn't feel particularly drawn to any of the VA publics but DOES feel drawn to Alabama, etc.--why would I deny them that?

No one is arguing with you! Just understand that many of us feel exactly the opposite. Why does it bother you that we choose to stay in-state? One of the reasons our family moved to VA is for the excellent state schools - beyond even VT et al. You do you! And we’ll do us.

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To be clear, I'm not talking about a student who was accepted at UVA and VT going to Alabama instead.

I'm talking about a student who wants the "big school" P5 football games, etc. experience, who does NOT get into UVA and VT, but gets into in state publics like Longwood or Radford.
Why would I insist that they go somewhere that is not what they are looking for, and pay MORE money, than letting them go to the type of school they ARE looking for, and pay less?

Again, you’re kind of arguing just to argue. One of my kids didn’t get into VT (first choice), had no interest in UVA or W&M, and went instead to JMU. Great school with everything DC was looking for. There is a middle ground between the top schools and Longwood/Radford. Those were OUR reasons for staying in-state.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is a junior and starting to look at schools. Stats wise probably competitive for VT, JMU, W&M, not UVA. If your FCPS kid went to a public/private out of state, what was the thinking behind it? DD wants to live “somewhere other than VA” which we get but VA has so many great schools that it is tough to think about paying twice as much to go elsewhere (we are full pay but have other kids as well).

This is easy. People in Virginia often go OOS if they didn’t get into UVA, WM, or tech. The rest of them seem like regional universities (even though they are very good) and students can get into other states’ flagships. Lots of people transfer into those first three from out of state in their second year.

What? This is not at all true for many. My DS did get into VA state schools (UVA, WM, etc.) but he opted for a school not in VA. His reason was that he wanted the opportunity to meet kids who were from all parts of the country and felt that while VA schools had OOS students, the vast majority are from similar circles.

So many students claim to want diversity at the college they attend. There are so many different types of diversity that hold great value to a student body. Not wanting college to feel like a 13th year of high school is certainly one.

Virginia is huge, how can you kids be in the same circle in college? We're in Fairfax County and my kids barely know anyone outside of it. Except for Loudoun.

Exactly. Such a silly reason, especially when there are excellent large state schools here where it’s almost guaranteed you won’t see people you know from HS unless you go out of your way to find them. My DC is at VT and her group of friends there consists of many OOS kids, as well as those from different parts of VA. She’s working hard and having a blast - and would laugh at the characterization of “a 13th year of high school.”

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Honestly, I think some people haughtily make the “13th grade” non-argument because their kids didn’t get in. I mean I understand kids wanting to go OOS for school, but that’s a ridiculous “reason” to give.
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Langley and McLean HS and UVA all have very similar vibes. “13th grade” doesn’t literally mean “all the same people”. VA has some wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive high schools and no, not all kids want the same experience in college.

And that’s fine. You can send your kids OOS to experience “wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive” students anywhere. You just look and sound extremely insecure if that’s your reason for doing so.

17 year olds are often insecure and overwhelmed by cutthroat competition. You sound like an arrogant, entitled teenager yourself.

Says the jerk who just put down two excellent high schools. The chip on your shoulder must be visible from space.

One of us is confused. You’re responding to me saying Langley/McLean and UVA have similar vibes and some kids don’t want to repeat the experience? They are great high schools AND there is an undeniable vibe that some kids are overwhelmed by and happy to escape. My kids go to one of these schools and I love it. I also understand it’s too much pressure for for some kids and they want something different when they get to make their own choice.

I have no idea why anyone even thinks about why someone would choose to go out of state. It’s a perfectly normal thing to do.

No one does? This whole thread seems like a silly strawman. No one cares if your child stays in-state or goes OOS. It just seems like you’re a little defensive about… something.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is a junior and starting to look at schools. Stats wise probably competitive for VT, JMU, W&M, not UVA. If your FCPS kid went to a public/private out of state, what was the thinking behind it? DD wants to live “somewhere other than VA” which we get but VA has so many great schools that it is tough to think about paying twice as much to go elsewhere (we are full pay but have other kids as well).

This is easy. People in Virginia often go OOS if they didn’t get into UVA, WM, or tech. The rest of them seem like regional universities (even though they are very good) and students can get into other states’ flagships. Lots of people transfer into those first three from out of state in their second year.

What? This is not at all true for many. My DS did get into VA state schools (UVA, WM, etc.) but he opted for a school not in VA. His reason was that he wanted the opportunity to meet kids who were from all parts of the country and felt that while VA schools had OOS students, the vast majority are from similar circles.

So many students claim to want diversity at the college they attend. There are so many different types of diversity that hold great value to a student body. Not wanting college to feel like a 13th year of high school is certainly one.

Virginia is huge, how can you kids be in the same circle in college? We're in Fairfax County and my kids barely know anyone outside of it. Except for Loudoun.

Exactly. Such a silly reason, especially when there are excellent large state schools here where it’s almost guaranteed you won’t see people you know from HS unless you go out of your way to find them. My DC is at VT and her group of friends there consists of many OOS kids, as well as those from different parts of VA. She’s working hard and having a blast - and would laugh at the characterization of “a 13th year of high school.”

+1
Honestly, I think some people haughtily make the “13th grade” non-argument because their kids didn’t get in. I mean I understand kids wanting to go OOS for school, but that’s a ridiculous “reason” to give.
DP

Langley and McLean HS and UVA all have very similar vibes. “13th grade” doesn’t literally mean “all the same people”. VA has some wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive high schools and no, not all kids want the same experience in college.

And that’s fine. You can send your kids OOS to experience “wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive” students anywhere. You just look and sound extremely insecure if that’s your reason for doing so.

17 year olds are often insecure and overwhelmed by cutthroat competition. You sound like an arrogant, entitled teenager yourself.

Says the jerk who just put down two excellent high schools. The chip on your shoulder must be visible from space.

One of us is confused. You’re responding to me saying Langley/McLean and UVA have similar vibes and some kids don’t want to repeat the experience? They are great high schools AND there is an undeniable vibe that some kids are overwhelmed by and happy to escape. My kids go to one of these schools and I love it. I also understand it’s too much pressure for for some kids and they want something different when they get to make their own choice.

I have no idea why anyone even thinks about why someone would choose to go out of state. It’s a perfectly normal thing to do.

No one does? This whole thread seems like a silly strawman. No one cares if your child stays in-state or goes OOS. It just seems like you’re a little defensive about… something.

This thread is literally asking why and people are responding????

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Anonymous wrote:pp at 14:03 here

To be clear, I'm not talking about a student who was accepted at UVA and VT going to Alabama instead.

I'm talking about a student who wants the "big school" P5 football games, etc. experience, who does NOT get into UVA and VT, but gets into in state publics like Longwood or Radford.
Why would I insist that they go somewhere that is not what they are looking for, and pay MORE money, than letting them go to the type of school they ARE looking for, and pay less?

Again, you’re kind of arguing just to argue. One of my kids didn’t get into VT (first choice), had no interest in UVA or W&M, and went instead to JMU. Great school with everything DC was looking for. There is a middle ground between the top schools and Longwood/Radford. Those were OUR reasons for staying in-state.

JMU is not in the same league when it comes to the criteria I brought up in my example (UVA vs. Alabama.)
I'm glad your kid is happy there, but some kids aren't satisfied with "middle ground."

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Anonymous wrote:pp at 14:03 here

To be clear, I'm not talking about a student who was accepted at UVA and VT going to Alabama instead.

I'm talking about a student who wants the "big school" P5 football games, etc. experience, who does NOT get into UVA and VT, but gets into in state publics like Longwood or Radford.
Why would I insist that they go somewhere that is not what they are looking for, and pay MORE money, than letting them go to the type of school they ARE looking for, and pay less?

Again, you’re kind of arguing just to argue. One of my kids didn’t get into VT (first choice), had no interest in UVA or W&M, and went instead to JMU. Great school with everything DC was looking for. There is a middle ground between the top schools and Longwood/Radford. Those were OUR reasons for staying in-state.

JMU is not in the same league when it comes to the criteria I brought up in my example (UVA vs. Alabama.)
I'm glad your kid is happy there, but some kids aren't satisfied with "middle ground."

And so, exactly what “league” would you put Alabama in?
DP

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Anonymous wrote:pp at 14:03 here

To be clear, I'm not talking about a student who was accepted at UVA and VT going to Alabama instead.

I'm talking about a student who wants the "big school" P5 football games, etc. experience, who does NOT get into UVA and VT, but gets into in state publics like Longwood or Radford.
Why would I insist that they go somewhere that is not what they are looking for, and pay MORE money, than letting them go to the type of school they ARE looking for, and pay less?

Again, you’re kind of arguing just to argue. One of my kids didn’t get into VT (first choice), had no interest in UVA or W&M, and went instead to JMU. Great school with everything DC was looking for. There is a middle ground between the top schools and Longwood/Radford. Those were OUR reasons for staying in-state.

JMU is not in the same league when it comes to the criteria I brought up in my example (UVA vs. Alabama.)
I'm glad your kid is happy there, but some kids aren't satisfied with "middle ground."

And so, exactly what “league” would you put Alabama in?
DP

The league of P5 football, just like I brought up in my example.

And so, apparently you are in the "league" of people that can't even read a post before responding to it.