FCPS kids going out of state

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Anonymous wrote:DD is a junior and starting to look at schools. Stats wise probably competitive for VT, JMU, W&M, not UVA. If your FCPS kid went to a public/private out of state, what was the thinking behind it? DD wants to live “somewhere other than VA” which we get but VA has so many great schools that it is tough to think about paying twice as much to go elsewhere (we are full pay but have other kids as well).

This is easy. People in Virginia often go OOS if they didn’t get into UVA, WM, or tech. The rest of them seem like regional universities (even though they are very good) and students can get into other states’ flagships. Lots of people transfer into those first three from out of state in their second year.

What? This is not at all true for many. My DS did get into VA state schools (UVA, WM, etc.) but he opted for a school not in VA. His reason was that he wanted the opportunity to meet kids who were from all parts of the country and felt that while VA schools had OOS students, the vast majority are from similar circles.

So many students claim to want diversity at the college they attend. There are so many different types of diversity that hold great value to a student body. Not wanting college to feel like a 13th year of high school is certainly one.

Virginia is huge, how can you kids be in the same circle in college? We're in Fairfax County and my kids barely know anyone outside of it. Except for Loudoun.

Exactly. Such a silly reason, especially when there are excellent large state schools here where it’s almost guaranteed you won’t see people you know from HS unless you go out of your way to find them. My DC is at VT and her group of friends there consists of many OOS kids, as well as those from different parts of VA. She’s working hard and having a blast - and would laugh at the characterization of “a 13th year of high school.”

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Honestly, I think some people haughtily make the “13th grade” non-argument because their kids didn’t get in. I mean I understand kids wanting to go OOS for school, but that’s a ridiculous “reason” to give.
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Langley and McLean HS and UVA all have very similar vibes. “13th grade” doesn’t literally mean “all the same people”. VA has some wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive high schools and no, not all kids want the same experience in college.

In order to avoid the wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive vibe at UVA, kids at Langley and McLean will be attending out-of-state colleges such as Stanford, Pomona, Amherst, Cornell, and NYU, where there is not at all a wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive vibe and every student is a blue-collar, down-to-earth person from Oklahoma or something.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Ahhhhhh - so aggravating that I can’t respond to a post here. I’m really not sure what word I said that is worse than the previous posts here.

Fine, I’ll simplify. Warm-ish states the PP could consider that might work within the parameters - NC and switch out AZ for NM.

I think you wandered onto the wrong thread with that response. If not, you are not making much sense babe.

No, I was responding to the poster who made reference to “laws” but was also hoping for warm weather states. I responded 2 times and had my post deleted.

Proudly in the “clown car”

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Anonymous wrote:DD is a junior and starting to look at schools. Stats wise probably competitive for VT, JMU, W&M, not UVA. If your FCPS kid went to a public/private out of state, what was the thinking behind it? DD wants to live “somewhere other than VA” which we get but VA has so many great schools that it is tough to think about paying twice as much to go elsewhere (we are full pay but have other kids as well).

This is easy. People in Virginia often go OOS if they didn’t get into UVA, WM, or tech. The rest of them seem like regional universities (even though they are very good) and students can get into other states’ flagships. Lots of people transfer into those first three from out of state in their second year.

What? This is not at all true for many. My DS did get into VA state schools (UVA, WM, etc.) but he opted for a school not in VA. His reason was that he wanted the opportunity to meet kids who were from all parts of the country and felt that while VA schools had OOS students, the vast majority are from similar circles.

So many students claim to want diversity at the college they attend. There are so many different types of diversity that hold great value to a student body. Not wanting college to feel like a 13th year of high school is certainly one.

Virginia is huge, how can you kids be in the same circle in college? We're in Fairfax County and my kids barely know anyone outside of it. Except for Loudoun.

Exactly. Such a silly reason, especially when there are excellent large state schools here where it’s almost guaranteed you won’t see people you know from HS unless you go out of your way to find them. My DC is at VT and her group of friends there consists of many OOS kids, as well as those from different parts of VA. She’s working hard and having a blast - and would laugh at the characterization of “a 13th year of high school.”

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Honestly, I think some people haughtily make the “13th grade” non-argument because their kids didn’t get in. I mean I understand kids wanting to go OOS for school, but that’s a ridiculous “reason” to give.
DP

Langley and McLean HS and UVA all have very similar vibes. “13th grade” doesn’t literally mean “all the same people”. VA has some wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive high schools and no, not all kids want the same experience in college.

In order to avoid the wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive vibe at UVA, kids at Langley and McLean will be attending out-of-state colleges such as Stanford, Pomona, Amherst, Cornell, and NYU, where there is not at all a wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive vibe and every student is a blue-collar, down-to-earth person from Oklahoma or something.

Exactly.

But they don’t. But that doesn’t make you feel good so you won’t bother actually seeing where they matriculate. And you’re exactly the people who would scoff about them going to another state school. And you’d certainly not consider that they wanted merit aid to keep costs down.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is a junior and starting to look at schools. Stats wise probably competitive for VT, JMU, W&M, not UVA. If your FCPS kid went to a public/private out of state, what was the thinking behind it? DD wants to live “somewhere other than VA” which we get but VA has so many great schools that it is tough to think about paying twice as much to go elsewhere (we are full pay but have other kids as well).

This is easy. People in Virginia often go OOS if they didn’t get into UVA, WM, or tech. The rest of them seem like regional universities (even though they are very good) and students can get into other states’ flagships. Lots of people transfer into those first three from out of state in their second year.

What? This is not at all true for many. My DS did get into VA state schools (UVA, WM, etc.) but he opted for a school not in VA. His reason was that he wanted the opportunity to meet kids who were from all parts of the country and felt that while VA schools had OOS students, the vast majority are from similar circles.

So many students claim to want diversity at the college they attend. There are so many different types of diversity that hold great value to a student body. Not wanting college to feel like a 13th year of high school is certainly one.

Virginia is huge, how can you kids be in the same circle in college? We're in Fairfax County and my kids barely know anyone outside of it. Except for Loudoun.

Exactly. Such a silly reason, especially when there are excellent large state schools here where it’s almost guaranteed you won’t see people you know from HS unless you go out of your way to find them. My DC is at VT and her group of friends there consists of many OOS kids, as well as those from different parts of VA. She’s working hard and having a blast - and would laugh at the characterization of “a 13th year of high school.”

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Honestly, I think some people haughtily make the “13th grade” non-argument because their kids didn’t get in. I mean I understand kids wanting to go OOS for school, but that’s a ridiculous “reason” to give.
DP

Langley and McLean HS and UVA all have very similar vibes. “13th grade” doesn’t literally mean “all the same people”. VA has some wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive high schools and no, not all kids want the same experience in college.

And that’s fine. You can send your kids OOS to experience “wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive” students anywhere. You just look and sound extremely insecure if that’s your reason for doing so.

17 year olds are often insecure and overwhelmed by cutthroat competition. You sound like an arrogant, entitled teenager yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people threatened when other people's children decide to go out of state?

Umm ... because they're not?

I'm not the pp you quoted.

But they sure seem to be. I've heard it in person, and seen it posted here--parents telling their kids they can ONLY go to an in state public.

Why?

A student with excellent stats will pay less in tuition at some of the larger out of state flagships (like Ole Miss, University of Alabama, etc.) than at Longwood or ODU.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people threatened when other people's children decide to go out of state?

Umm ... because they're not?

I'm not the pp you quoted.

But they sure seem to be. I've heard it in person, and seen it posted here--parents telling their kids they can ONLY go to an in state public.

Why?

A student with excellent stats will pay less in tuition at some of the larger out of state flagships (like Ole Miss, University of Alabama, etc.) than at Longwood or ODU.

There could be several reasons why a parent tells their child they can only apply to in-state public schools. Why on earth do you think that feeling "threatened" is one of them?

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people threatened when other people's children decide to go out of state?

Umm ... because they're not?

I'm not the pp you quoted.

But they sure seem to be. I've heard it in person, and seen it posted here--parents telling their kids they can ONLY go to an in state public.

Why?

A student with excellent stats will pay less in tuition at some of the larger out of state flagships (like Ole Miss, University of Alabama, etc.) than at Longwood or ODU.

There could be several reasons why a parent tells their child they can only apply to in-state public schools. Why on earth do you think that feeling "threatened" is one of them?

DP. I don’t think it’s because you all feel “threatened.” But I do find it odd that so many NoVa parents insist on paying MORE for in-state public schools that proudly brag about capping admissions from NoVa, when their kids could easily go to out of state schools where they are wanted, and often for less money.

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DP. I don’t think it’s because you all feel “threatened.” But I do find it odd that so many NoVa parents insist on paying MORE for in-state public schools that proudly brag about capping admissions from NoVa, when their kids could easily go to out of state schools where they are wanted, and often for less money.

We've attended admissions events at six VA schools and never heard any AO "brag" about capping NoVa admits. The interest from NoVa students at these schools is high, but schools have to balance interests across the state as well as include geographic diversity from OOS students who are often full pay.

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Anonymous wrote:OP asked what the reasoning to pay for an out of state public would be.
1. Merit money at other school made price comparable to in-state tuition;
2. Money not a factor; or
3. OOS program renowned / better for major and perceived to be worth the cost

1 and 3 were the reason my kid went OOS. My child received significant merit (IB program grad) from schools like BU. Generous FA made the enrolled top 20 private national university cost comparable to VT (accepted honors). UVA waitlisted my child but W&M ( accepted with scholarship) was always the top choice. I strongly felt that going OOS would be what my child needed to gain a broader perspective beyond our suburban bubble (I’m a native New Yorker). The reach OOS school offered a higher ranked program and geographic location/opportunities my child wanted and it worked out unexpectedly in our case.

I believe high stat students can get into excellent colleges OOS and should definitely include highly competitive private and public universities and SLACs on their application lists. ED to UVA and W&M are probably good strategies for those who really want to stay instate. My child’s RD applications to reach and OOS schools were all acceptances.

Sure, in theory, but you received "generous FA." Many don't.

This is why why mentioned receiving merit aid at BU. You can find many schools which offer merit aid. We received as much as $40K in merit money. I own a business and I didn’t trust the NPC calculations for our situation. Covid negatively impacted small businesses like mine and thus why we were eligible for FA.

40k off at BU is still more than any instate school, plus the kid is living in Boston which is more expensive than any instate school.

NP. With $40k merit, it's pretty close depending upon UVA school. BU reports COA about $83,000. School of Commerce or Public Policy is about $43,000. School of engineering approaches $45,000.

I’m the BU merit aid poster. That was an example of one school. We were eligible for FA on top of the merit aid so the cost was much less. But even if we were full pay, if we went to a UC for example, because my child achieved high scores in the IB exams, my child would have received a ton of credits going and and could graduate a year earlier from some OOS colleges including some of the top UCs and SUNYs. Think outside of the box.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is a junior and starting to look at schools. Stats wise probably competitive for VT, JMU, W&M, not UVA. If your FCPS kid went to a public/private out of state, what was the thinking behind it? DD wants to live “somewhere other than VA” which we get but VA has so many great schools that it is tough to think about paying twice as much to go elsewhere (we are full pay but have other kids as well).

This is easy. People in Virginia often go OOS if they didn’t get into UVA, WM, or tech. The rest of them seem like regional universities (even though they are very good) and students can get into other states’ flagships. Lots of people transfer into those first three from out of state in their second year.

What? This is not at all true for many. My DS did get into VA state schools (UVA, WM, etc.) but he opted for a school not in VA. His reason was that he wanted the opportunity to meet kids who were from all parts of the country and felt that while VA schools had OOS students, the vast majority are from similar circles.

So many students claim to want diversity at the college they attend. There are so many different types of diversity that hold great value to a student body. Not wanting college to feel like a 13th year of high school is certainly one.

Virginia is huge, how can you kids be in the same circle in college? We're in Fairfax County and my kids barely know anyone outside of it. Except for Loudoun.

Exactly. Such a silly reason, especially when there are excellent large state schools here where it’s almost guaranteed you won’t see people you know from HS unless you go out of your way to find them. My DC is at VT and her group of friends there consists of many OOS kids, as well as those from different parts of VA. She’s working hard and having a blast - and would laugh at the characterization of “a 13th year of high school.”

+1
Honestly, I think some people haughtily make the “13th grade” non-argument because their kids didn’t get in. I mean I understand kids wanting to go OOS for school, but that’s a ridiculous “reason” to give.
DP

Langley and McLean HS and UVA all have very similar vibes. “13th grade” doesn’t literally mean “all the same people”. VA has some wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive high schools and no, not all kids want the same experience in college.

In order to avoid the wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive vibe at UVA, kids at Langley and McLean will be attending out-of-state colleges such as Stanford, Pomona, Amherst, Cornell, and NYU, where there is not at all a wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive vibe and every student is a blue-collar, down-to-earth person from Oklahoma or something.

Exactly.

But they don’t. But that doesn’t make you feel good so you won’t bother actually seeing where they matriculate. And you’re exactly the people who would scoff about them going to another state school. And you’d certainly not consider that they wanted merit aid to keep costs down.

Sorry, what? Plenty of kids at both Langley and McLean are attending the schools listed above - as well as other state schools. Not sure what your point is.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is a junior and starting to look at schools. Stats wise probably competitive for VT, JMU, W&M, not UVA. If your FCPS kid went to a public/private out of state, what was the thinking behind it? DD wants to live “somewhere other than VA” which we get but VA has so many great schools that it is tough to think about paying twice as much to go elsewhere (we are full pay but have other kids as well).

This is easy. People in Virginia often go OOS if they didn’t get into UVA, WM, or tech. The rest of them seem like regional universities (even though they are very good) and students can get into other states’ flagships. Lots of people transfer into those first three from out of state in their second year.

What? This is not at all true for many. My DS did get into VA state schools (UVA, WM, etc.) but he opted for a school not in VA. His reason was that he wanted the opportunity to meet kids who were from all parts of the country and felt that while VA schools had OOS students, the vast majority are from similar circles.

So many students claim to want diversity at the college they attend. There are so many different types of diversity that hold great value to a student body. Not wanting college to feel like a 13th year of high school is certainly one.

Virginia is huge, how can you kids be in the same circle in college? We're in Fairfax County and my kids barely know anyone outside of it. Except for Loudoun.

Exactly. Such a silly reason, especially when there are excellent large state schools here where it’s almost guaranteed you won’t see people you know from HS unless you go out of your way to find them. My DC is at VT and her group of friends there consists of many OOS kids, as well as those from different parts of VA. She’s working hard and having a blast - and would laugh at the characterization of “a 13th year of high school.”

+1
Honestly, I think some people haughtily make the “13th grade” non-argument because their kids didn’t get in. I mean I understand kids wanting to go OOS for school, but that’s a ridiculous “reason” to give.
DP

Langley and McLean HS and UVA all have very similar vibes. “13th grade” doesn’t literally mean “all the same people”. VA has some wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive high schools and no, not all kids want the same experience in college.

And that’s fine. You can send your kids OOS to experience “wealthy, super privileged, hyper competitive” students anywhere. You just look and sound extremely insecure if that’s your reason for doing so.

17 year olds are often insecure and overwhelmed by cutthroat competition. You sound like an arrogant, entitled teenager yourself.

Says the jerk who just put down two excellent high schools. The chip on your shoulder must be visible from space.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people threatened when other people's children decide to go out of state?

Umm ... because they're not?

I'm not the pp you quoted.

But they sure seem to be. I've heard it in person, and seen it posted here--parents telling their kids they can ONLY go to an in state public.

Why?

A student with excellent stats will pay less in tuition at some of the larger out of state flagships (like Ole Miss, University of Alabama, etc.) than at Longwood or ODU.

There could be several reasons why a parent tells their child they can only apply to in-state public schools. Why on earth do you think that feeling "threatened" is one of them?

DP. I don’t think it’s because you all feel “threatened.” But I do find it odd that so many NoVa parents insist on paying MORE for in-state public schools that proudly brag about capping admissions from NoVa, when their kids could easily go to out of state schools where they are wanted, and often for less money.

The obvious reason that seems to be escaping you: many/most OOS schools that offer enough merit aid to be comparable to in-state costs are not the best schools. Not sure why you refuse to acknowledge that.
DP

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DP. I don’t think it’s because you all feel “threatened.” But I do find it odd that so many NoVa parents insist on paying MORE for in-state public schools that proudly brag about capping admissions from NoVa, when their kids could easily go to out of state schools where they are wanted, and often for less money.

We've attended admissions events at six VA schools and never heard any AO "brag" about capping NoVa admits. The interest from NoVa students at these schools is high, but schools have to balance interests across the state as well as include geographic diversity from OOS students who are often full pay.

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They can’t take every single student from NoVa. The entire state has kids that are competitive for our state schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people threatened when other people's children decide to go out of state?

Umm ... because they're not?

I'm not the pp you quoted.

But they sure seem to be. I've heard it in person, and seen it posted here--parents telling their kids they can ONLY go to an in state public.

Why?

A student with excellent stats will pay less in tuition at some of the larger out of state flagships (like Ole Miss, University of Alabama, etc.) than at Longwood or ODU.

There could be several reasons why a parent tells their child they can only apply to in-state public schools. Why on earth do you think that feeling "threatened" is one of them?

DP. I don’t think it’s because you all feel “threatened.” But I do find it odd that so many NoVa parents insist on paying MORE for in-state public schools that proudly brag about capping admissions from NoVa, when their kids could easily go to out of state schools where they are wanted, and often for less money.

The obvious reason that seems to be escaping you: many/most OOS schools that offer enough merit aid to be comparable to in-state costs are not the best schools. Not sure why you refuse to acknowledge that.
DP

I'm not the pp you directly quoted, but my quote (specifically mentioning Ole Miss and Alabama) is earlier in the quotes.

"Not the best schools..." Plenty of VA public in states are also "not the best schools."

If my kid has a choice of:
A) paying in state tuition at basically any VA school other than UVA, WM, or VT

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B) paying significantly less to go to an out of state flagship like Alabama, Ole Miss, WVU, Arizona state, etc.

and my student doesn't feel particularly drawn to any of the VA publics but DOES feel drawn to Alabama, etc.--why would I deny them that?

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pp at 14:03 here

To be clear, I'm not talking about a student who was accepted at UVA and VT going to Alabama instead.

I'm talking about a student who wants the "big school" P5 football games, etc. experience, who does NOT get into UVA and VT, but gets into in state publics like Longwood or Radford.
Why would I insist that they go somewhere that is not what they are looking for, and pay MORE money, than letting them go to the type of school they ARE looking for, and pay less?