4th DC Area Airport

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Anonymous wrote:Dulles has domestic flights as well, and is woefully otherwise underutilized.

Where exactly would this 4th airport be located?

Manassas where the current regional airport is located.

The metro doesn't go to Manassas.

Doesn’t go to BWI either. What’s the point?

Yeah. BWI sucks. Such a PITA. We don’t need another inaccessible airport in BFE.

How is BWI inaccessible? Are you just talking about public transportation?

NP, to most of Virginia BWI is pretty inaccessible because the beltway is such a disaster. And our public transport is build with a hub and spokes, so you have to go to DC then transfer usually. BWI was somewhat doable when I lived in DC, but now that I'm in VA? No way.

If you’re in VA there’s no reason to go to BWI anyway.

The flights are a lot cheaper!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about we improve our rail network and use the airports for longer distance flights. Trains are so much more comfortable.

1. I disagree
2. Even assuming that's true, I'd much rather be minimally uncomfortable for 3 hours than still uncomfortable, though maybe a little less so for 20.

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Anonymous wrote:BWI is a great airport.

Best thing about BWI is how crazy cheap long-term parking is. You can park for 2 weeks and still save money over an Uber or taxi.

+1 I'm the "hate IAD" poster. I much prefer BWI but since it's small, and not a hub, the destinations aren't that varied. But, I much prefer flying out of BWI to LHR than IAD. Better flight times, too.

Okay. It's fine if you want to style yourself as a "BWI booster," but please. Get real. BWI has one daily flight offered by BA four times a week that is heavily subsidized by the State of Maryland. IAD has multiple flights each day offered by BA, United, and Virgin Atlantic. To suggest that BWI has better flight times is complete BS.

DP. What does your point have to do with PPs? Does a subsidy somehow make it less convenient? Why are you so angry at BWI?

NP. What a strange response. Who's angry? I happen to agree with the PP's point, which was clearly saying that it's ridiculous to suggest that BWI is somehow competitive or even preferable to Dulles when it comes to international service.

Both airports serve their purpose in the region.

If you live closer to BWI than Dulles, it’s preferable for flying international. Yes, Dulles has more flights bit Bwi has easier parking, quick access to terminals and the whole thing is recently renovated with decent places to get something to eat. Perhaps we should just campaign for more international flights to bwi.

I would champion that. We went BWI to LHR this past summer. pretty easy. Few years ago we did IAD to BWI, and it was awful.

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Anonymous wrote:Dulles has domestic flights as well, and is woefully otherwise underutilized.

Where exactly would this 4th airport be located?

Manassas where the current regional airport is located.

The metro doesn't go to Manassas.

Doesn’t go to BWI either. What’s the point?

Both Amtrak and Marc go to BWI.

So what. Metro doesn’t and it does go to Manasas either. Who cares.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish we could take the train to more places. For instance, my family would like to go to NYC, Boston, Philly, or south to places like Charleston, New Orleans. Driving is a problem because parking is problematic in big cities. For my family though, trains are usually 2-3x the price of plane tickets and take a lot longer.

We like IAD a lot. Direct flights to nearly everywhere we want to go! But IAD also doesn't have any low cost flights like DCA and BWI have. Every time I price out flights, DCA and BWI are cheaper.

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I was hoping to take the train recently and it was MORE expensive than flying.

Trains are both more expansive and heavily subsidized. Perhaps it’s more expensive because it’s subsidized. No thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:We need a 4th airport in this area. With BWI crowded and limited on location, Dulles only catering to international destinations and National having distnace limits, its time we have a 4th airport open up.

Most cities are serviced by one regional airport. We have 3 mega airports in this area. Isn't that enough?

OP, tell us where you live. Let's see how you'd like living with the airplane noises and travelers jamming up the roads.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish we could take the train to more places. For instance, my family would like to go to NYC, Boston, Philly, or south to places like Charleston, New Orleans. Driving is a problem because parking is problematic in big cities. For my family though, trains are usually 2-3x the price of plane tickets and take a lot longer.

We like IAD a lot. Direct flights to nearly everywhere we want to go! But IAD also doesn't have any low cost flights like DCA and BWI have. Every time I price out flights, DCA and BWI are cheaper.

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I was hoping to take the train recently and it was MORE expensive than flying.

Trains are both more expansive and heavily subsidized. Perhaps it’s more expensive because it’s subsidized. No thanks.

AIRPORTS ARE HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED.

If airlines had to pay for the airport, the air traffic controllers and the security, NONE OF THEM WOULD BE MAKING A PROFIT.

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Anonymous wrote:Dulles has domestic flights as well, and is woefully otherwise underutilized.

Where exactly would this 4th airport be located?

Manassas where the current regional airport is located.

The metro doesn't go to Manassas.

Doesn’t go to BWI either. What’s the point?

Yeah. BWI sucks. Such a PITA. We don’t need another inaccessible airport in BFE.

How is BWI inaccessible? Are you just talking about public transportation?

NP, to most of Virginia BWI is pretty inaccessible because the beltway is such a disaster. And our public transport is build with a hub and spokes, so you have to go to DC then transfer usually. BWI was somewhat doable when I lived in DC, but now that I'm in VA? No way.

If you’re in VA there’s no reason to go to BWI anyway.

The flights are a lot cheaper!

Not than DCA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dulles has domestic flights as well, and is woefully otherwise underutilized.

Where exactly would this 4th airport be located?

Manassas where the current regional airport is located.

The metro doesn't go to Manassas.

Doesn’t go to BWI either. What’s the point?

Both Amtrak and Marc go to BWI.

So what. Metro doesn’t and it does go to Manasas either. Who cares.

Nobody is building an airport in.Manasas. Makes more sense to maximize the three we have.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish we could take the train to more places. For instance, my family would like to go to NYC, Boston, Philly, or south to places like Charleston, New Orleans. Driving is a problem because parking is problematic in big cities. For my family though, trains are usually 2-3x the price of plane tickets and take a lot longer.

We like IAD a lot. Direct flights to nearly everywhere we want to go! But IAD also doesn't have any low cost flights like DCA and BWI have. Every time I price out flights, DCA and BWI are cheaper.

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I was hoping to take the train recently and it was MORE expensive than flying.

Trains are both more expansive and heavily subsidized. Perhaps it’s more expensive because it’s subsidized. No thanks.

AIRPORTS ARE HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED.

If airlines had to pay for the airport, the air traffic controllers and the security, NONE OF THEM WOULD BE MAKING A PROFIT.

Does Amtrak pay for Union Station or Penn Station? I didn't think so, but I could be wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dulles has domestic flights as well, and is woefully otherwise underutilized.

Where exactly would this 4th airport be located?

Manassas where the current regional airport is located.

The metro doesn't go to Manassas.

Doesn’t go to BWI either. What’s the point?

Both Amtrak and Marc go to BWI.

There’s also a Metrobus that runs from Greenbelt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish we could take the train to more places. For instance, my family would like to go to NYC, Boston, Philly, or south to places like Charleston, New Orleans. Driving is a problem because parking is problematic in big cities. For my family though, trains are usually 2-3x the price of plane tickets and take a lot longer.

We like IAD a lot. Direct flights to nearly everywhere we want to go! But IAD also doesn't have any low cost flights like DCA and BWI have. Every time I price out flights, DCA and BWI are cheaper.

+1

I was hoping to take the train recently and it was MORE expensive than flying.

Trains are both more expansive and heavily subsidized. Perhaps it’s more expensive because it’s subsidized. No thanks.

AIRPORTS ARE HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED.

If airlines had to pay for the airport, the air traffic controllers and the security, NONE OF THEM WOULD BE MAKING A PROFIT.

Does Amtrak pay for Union Station or Penn Station? I didn't think so, but I could be wrong.

Do you really not realize that Amtrak is heavily subsidized?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really wish we could take the train to more places. For instance, my family would like to go to NYC, Boston, Philly, or south to places like Charleston, New Orleans. Driving is a problem because parking is problematic in big cities. For my family though, trains are usually 2-3x the price of plane tickets and take a lot longer.

We like IAD a lot. Direct flights to nearly everywhere we want to go! But IAD also doesn't have any low cost flights like DCA and BWI have. Every time I price out flights, DCA and BWI are cheaper.

+1

I was hoping to take the train recently and it was MORE expensive than flying.

Trains are both more expansive and heavily subsidized. Perhaps it’s more expensive because it’s subsidized. No thanks.

AIRPORTS ARE HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED.

If airlines had to pay for the airport, the air traffic controllers and the security, NONE OF THEM WOULD BE MAKING A PROFIT.

Let’s see, which entity can go bankrupt? (A) airline or (B) Amtrak?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dulles has domestic flights as well, and is woefully otherwise underutilized.

Where exactly would this 4th airport be located?

Manassas where the current regional airport is located.

The metro doesn't go to Manassas.

Doesn’t go to BWI either. What’s the point?

Both Amtrak and Marc go to BWI.

Ride metro to Union Station and Amtrak to BWI. Some who live in MD hve ridden metro to get to DCA and VA points to get to IAD but drive to BWI. Purple line will open up access for metro to eventually arrive at BWI without going to Union Station.

I prefer IAD to DCA for the actual flight- take off and landing. LA metropolitan area is huge in square miles and has 5 airports. LAX is almost 60 miles from Ontario. Rockville is 28 miles from IAD and 36 from BWI. A family would likely drive [self or uber] from Rockville.

[Anonymous]

Neither BWI nor IAD are anywhere close to being capacity constrained. The DMV area doesn't need another airport.