Homeless encampments

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Anonymous wrote:There is a Washington post article about a school shooter from the 90s who is now up for parole. They mention that he has diagnosed schizophrenia, but nowhere in the article do they mention if there would be enforced aftercare if released. The problem with so many of these homeless is they are unthethered mentally ill and society will not treat them..I shudder to think of someone who has killed being released with no treatment pathway.

We need to bring back mental institutions. You will see a lot of “Reagan closed all the institutions” on this board but many democrats (ACLU) wanted out patient treatment facilities and independence for the mentally ill. Both parties are partners in this mess. Many mentally ill people are stable while undergoing treatment but they cannot be counted on to show up for therapy or to take their medication without full-time supervision. It would cost billions to run humane mental health facilities. It’s far easier for the government to pass out tents, hire city cleaning crews and look the other way. Nothing will happen until the city hits rock bottom and loses its tax base.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a Washington post article about a school shooter from the 90s who is now up for parole. They mention that he has diagnosed schizophrenia, but nowhere in the article do they mention if there would be enforced aftercare if released. The problem with so many of these homeless is they are unthethered mentally ill and society will not treat them..I shudder to think of someone who has killed being released with no treatment pathway.

We need to bring back mental institutions. You will see a lot of “Reagan closed all the institutions” on this board but many democrats (ACLU) wanted out patient treatment facilities and independence for the mentally ill. Both parties are partners in this mess. Many mentally ill people are stable while undergoing treatment but they cannot be counted on to show up for therapy or to take their medication without full-time supervision. It would cost billions to run humane mental health facilities. It’s far easier for the government to pass out tents, hire city cleaning crews and look the other way. Nothing will happen until the city hits rock bottom and loses its tax base.

In addition to mental health institutions we now have a need for drug rehabilitation institutions as much of the degeneracy is stemming from drug abuse and widespread availability of very addictive substances that turn people into literal zombies, making alcoholics looks like successful fortune 500 CEOs. Maybe making shelters functional to the point that they aren't jail like may encourage homeless to use them instead of living on the streets? This might be a low hanging fruit to allow shelter resident go in and out as they wish and have some sense of safety and privacy? Creating tent cities helps nobody and solves zero issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Good news though!

The children of migrants exported by Gov. Abbot from Texas to DC will now be enrolled in DC schools.

Win!

From the footage I see there aren't many kids though... mostly young men, actually. If they come for free housing and food and medicine, they should turn back, if they are willing to work, there is plenty of work to go around municipal projects and city improvements, make people work for the shelter and food at least 4 hours a day, don't give anything free, problem solved.

My church took in some of the migrants on a temporary basis until they could get on their feet. My understanding was that they very much want to work. And are working almost immediately upon arrival.

Migrants tend to be hardworking people who are looking for opportunities not handouts.

They tended to be, but we don't know what the new wave of massive illegal immigration will bring, especially if we give them free housing and other freebies. There is little motivation to work back breaking jobs for peanuts when you get a free hotel room and 3 meals a day, free clothing and schools for kids, etc. You would expect some portion of migrants might want to take advantage becoming new welfare class if they can ride the wave. Still better life on handouts than what they used to have where they came from, why not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe dumb question but, where do you think people should go instead? I don’t like looking at homeless encampments either but am curious what the solution is.

jail or work

shelters

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good news though!

The children of migrants exported by Gov. Abbot from Texas to DC will now be enrolled in DC schools.

Win!

From the footage I see there aren't many kids though... mostly young men, actually. If they come for free housing and food and medicine, they should turn back, if they are willing to work, there is plenty of work to go around municipal projects and city improvements, make people work for the shelter and food at least 4 hours a day, don't give anything free, problem solved.

My church took in some of the migrants on a temporary basis until they could get on their feet. My understanding was that they very much want to work. And are working almost immediately upon arrival.

Please don't confuse most migrants with the homeless. We need people able and willing to work. The homeless are neither.

Migrants of nearly all types are positively selected in some way; if it were legal, most corporations would only hire migrants.

The homeless on DC's streets are mostly negatively selected in all ways. Mental illness onwards. And then society has mostly forgotten about them, but are occasionally strung along by handouts

So a 16 year old migrant could do your job? Or are you one of the ignorant who think “corporations,” as opposed to the military, government, consultancies, law firms, and service organizations that dominate the DMV employment base do not hire migrants?

70% of the services industry employees are migrants; 75% of farmworkers; 50% construction workers. It is the overwhelming majority in a number of fields where they need able bodied workers to do physical, demanding labor that you and I just won't do. Have you ever been in a restaurant? Hotel? Seen the janitorial services at your office space? Take a walk through a construction site. Do it just one time. Migrant workers are able bodied people looking for work escaping a country where they have none. We need the types of people who put their life on the line so that they can come to a place to find employment. They are here to work and the idea that they made it all this way to just sit around is ludicrous. My bet is you know approximately zero migrants.

Homeless encampments, on the other hand, are filled with drug addicts and the mentally ill. The vast majority are in need of mental health services, rehab, and/or incarceration. These people need to be off the streets, as they are a huge danger to society. [/quote


Thank God for each and every one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an organization that is helping them in terms of toiletries and winter clothing? Are there any children in those encampments and do they have access to a school, school supplies clothing etc.?

I can't speak to DC but my town has groups (some charity, some government funded) that drive around and drop off tents, sleeping bags,
socks, food, and give information on where do get medical and dental assistance.

My boyfriend has an encampment behind his work place and a RN and social worker have dropped by to check on one of the residents
several times.

Why are we encouraging encampments and focusing on making people comfortable camping on city streets? This is not the right thing to do and helps nobody. The focus should be on relocating these people into permanent or at least temporary housing with sanitary facilities and hopefully services that these people need. These are people, not stray cats! Your fake compassion is actually killing them by perpetuating the problem and encouraging the proliferation of street life and all the ills it brings with it: drugs, sexual assaults, crime, trash and more rats. Turning our city neighborhoods into 3rd world shanty towns isn't the solution, but this is precisely what will happen if people will keep focusing on keeping street campers comfortable where they are instead of finding solution to relocate them and help those who could be helped get on their feet and acquire permanent housing and jobs, and getting those addicted or mentally ill help they need.

We closed the mental institutions in the 1970's and it is legal not to treat your own mental illness.

Addiction too.

DC purportedly provides "services" to those it gives housing vouchers to and sticks in apartments in W3 but there is no requirement that they even open the door. That compulsory treatment of mental illness or addcition is the missing piece in the US approach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing will happen until the situation gets so bad that real estate values drop significantly. Then DC will elect a “Law and Order” type mayor who will rigorously enforce the rules.

Can please we elect that mayor now? I would argue DC real estate values would have actually been much higher by now if potential buyers didn’t have to worry about the crazy crime and filth here.

This. DC RE didn't appreciate much (if at all) compared with its suburbs, and you would expect it would be an attractive option for those who are priced out of more expensive cities like NYC, SF, Boston.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe dumb question but, where do you think people should go instead? I don’t like looking at homeless encampments either but am curious what the solution is.

jail or work

how are they supposed to find employment that will pay for housing in DC? Honest question.
i'm and RN and I can't afford to live here. The teachers at my kid's school can't afford to live here.
How are the uneducated and addicted supposed to get jobs that support housing here?

Move.

DC, like most major cities, has zero affordable housing. Even the affordable housing is scarce and requires steady income. Cities are not viable for low income folks these days.

[Anonymous]

downtown near chinatown and convention center

[Anonymous]

Has anybody heard of the new Coordinated Assistance and Resources for Encampments (CARE) Pilot Program initiated by Muriel Bowser in DC? The program works to assist homeless individuals in encampments in Wards 2 and 6 to help them with the transition into housing, and helps them find housing in the first place. It provides homeless individuals with mental health/general health services on-site. The program has even helped contribute to a 46% decrease in homelessness across the district!

Curious to see if anyone has any experience with the CARE Act or has any thoughts on expanding the program to other districts.

If you support the act, call a local representative and ask them to expand to CARE Act to other districts

[Anonymous]

What about equity for the blacks? How is it equitable to kick them out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anybody heard of the new Coordinated Assistance and Resources for Encampments (CARE) Pilot Program initiated by Muriel Bowser in DC? The program works to assist homeless individuals in encampments in Wards 2 and 6 to help them with the transition into housing, and helps them find housing in the first place. It provides homeless individuals with mental health/general health services on-site. The program has even helped contribute to a 46% decrease in homelessness across the district!

Curious to see if anyone has any experience with the CARE Act or has any thoughts on expanding the program to other districts.

If you support the act, call a local representative and ask them to expand to CARE Act to other districts

is this some kind of paid aid? “a local representative”? “districts”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about equity for the blacks? How is it equitable to kick them out?

A lot of the homeless are white. It isn't necessarily about race.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe dumb question but, where do you think people should go instead? I don’t like looking at homeless encampments either but am curious what the solution is.

jail or work

how are they supposed to find employment that will pay for housing in DC? Honest question.
i'm and RN and I can't afford to live here. The teachers at my kid's school can't afford to live here.
How are the uneducated and addicted supposed to get jobs that support housing here?

Move.

DC, like most major cities, has zero affordable housing. Even the affordable housing is scarce and requires steady income. Cities are not viable for low income folks these days.

Some of the people struggling in this city are just plain dysfunctional, and don't seem to have any interest in changing, and I don't know what the solution for that is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good news though!

The children of migrants exported by Gov. Abbot from Texas to DC will now be enrolled in DC schools.

Win!

From the footage I see there aren't many kids though... mostly young men, actually. If they come for free housing and food and medicine, they should turn back, if they are willing to work, there is plenty of work to go around municipal projects and city improvements, make people work for the shelter and food at least 4 hours a day, don't give anything free, problem solved.

My church took in some of the migrants on a temporary basis until they could get on their feet. My understanding was that they very much want to work. And are working almost immediately upon arrival.

Migrants tend to be hardworking people who are looking for opportunities not handouts.

They tended to be, but we don't know what the new wave of massive illegal immigration will bring, especially if we give them free housing and other freebies. There is little motivation to work back breaking jobs for peanuts when you get a free hotel room and 3 meals a day, free clothing and schools for kids, etc. You would expect some portion of migrants might want to take advantage becoming new welfare class if they can ride the wave. Still better life on handouts than what they used to have where they came from, why not.

There are very very few reasons why able-bodied grown-ass adults should be coddled with free housing, food and other things.