Class of 22 admissions report

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Wash U. Jeez.

What about that seems surprising? That’s a kid with a top 5% GPA who probably applied test optional. Seems pretty on par right?

Yes, it seems unlikely that this applicant submitted that score.

This was the one applicant out of 19 that was accepted to Wash U. I'd love to see the stats on the 18 who were rejected.

Grade inflation in APS is rampant. I've had two kids go through and a current rising senior. Every final grade has been an A. They didn't work very hard.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing some of those low scores (that were surely not submitted) made me feel better in some ways (but worse in others). But at least proof that not every kid has a 1450+ like is seemingly claimed on here.

It also depends on the high school in question. Some high schools have much higher stats.

It pisses me off scores aren’t required. So many kids with every advantage in the world (not the students that taking away scores was supposed to help) are now clogging admissions and applying places they never would have ever considered if they had to submit that low score.

Yah. Bummer your kid blew all of that time and money prepping and studying while others did something more fun/valuable. Tests are done. No one cares anymore. Your little Prep machine will need to find some other formula.

Smart people don’t need prep. His first mock ACT was a 35.

The SAT and ACT are NOT intelligences tests. Your kid is obviously very smart, but I bet you're UMC and that has a big impact on scores. Kids who are just as naturally smart as your kid but raised in a moderate or lower middle class home, attend a non-rigorous school, have non-English speaking parents, etc. will score lower.

What I've seen is in schools in wealthy areas the URMs come from an identical background, some even wealthier than many of the non-represented families. Their kids greatly benefit from this and will gain admission with lower scores/gpa. It is really frustrating for kids that worked right alongside these peers their entire childhood to see kids with at times a full point lower GPA and lower scores gain admission.

It's just the way it is. It would be admirable if the system worked and benefited those that really were at risk and disadvantaged, but it doesn't. Those kids are in areas where people aren't even applying to college, much less top colleges. Then, you have the issue if these kids get in they are not prepared at all for the rigors of the university because of their dismal public schools.

Well, I don't know where you've "seen" but by and large what you've described isn't the case. Certainly not at this high school, where it is definitely not the case that the URMs here come from "identical" backgrounds as the white kids. The white kids here are definitely wealthier on average.

Two of the wealthiest families in our hood are 'URM'. I'm talking $$$$$$$$$. Many multi-cultural families choosing the side that is not white on the application. But, I'm sure when you look at the kid you are basing it on their 'appearance'.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Wash U. Jeez.

What about that seems surprising? That’s a kid with a top 5% GPA who probably applied test optional. Seems pretty on par right?

Yes, it seems unlikely that this applicant submitted that score.

This was the one applicant out of 19 that was accepted to Wash U. I'd love to see the stats on the 18 who were rejected.

Grade inflation in APS is rampant. I've had two kids go through and a current rising senior. Every final grade has been an A. They didn't work very hard.

Weren't there like 52 valedictorians ?

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing some of those low scores (that were surely not submitted) made me feel better in some ways (but worse in others). But at least proof that not every kid has a 1450+ like is seemingly claimed on here.

It also depends on the high school in question. Some high schools have much higher stats.

It pisses me off scores aren’t required. So many kids with every advantage in the world (not the students that taking away scores was supposed to help) are now clogging admissions and applying places they never would have ever considered if they had to submit that low score.

Yah. Bummer your kid blew all of that time and money prepping and studying while others did something more fun/valuable. Tests are done. No one cares anymore. Your little Prep machine will need to find some other formula.

Smart people don’t need prep. His first mock ACT was a 35.

The SAT and ACT are NOT intelligences tests. Your kid is obviously very smart, but I bet you're UMC and that has a big impact on scores. Kids who are just as naturally smart as your kid but raised in a moderate or lower middle class home, attend a non-rigorous school, have non-English speaking parents, etc. will score lower.

What I've seen is in schools in wealthy areas the URMs come from an identical background, some even wealthier than many of the non-represented families. Their kids greatly benefit from this and will gain admission with lower scores/gpa. It is really frustrating for kids that worked right alongside these peers their entire childhood to see kids with at times a full point lower GPA and lower scores gain admission.

It's just the way it is. It would be admirable if the system worked and benefited those that really were at risk and disadvantaged, but it doesn't. Those kids are in areas where people aren't even applying to college, much less top colleges. Then, you have the issue if these kids get in they are not prepared at all for the rigors of the university because of their dismal public schools.

Well, I don't know where you've "seen" but by and large what you've described isn't the case. Certainly not at this high school, where it is definitely not the case that the URMs here come from "identical" backgrounds as the white kids. The white kids here are definitely wealthier on average.

Two of the wealthiest families in our hood are 'URM'. I'm talking $$$$$$$$$. Many multi-cultural families choosing the side that is not white on the application. But, I'm sure when you look at the kid you are basing it on their 'appearance'.

Don't hate on them. They are just answering the question truthfully. Are you black or Hispanic? My kid is half Hispanic so he checked the Hispanic box. It is what he is. If colleges want to view him differently, fine, but don't blame him for giving them truthful information. Colleges are dumb. They can easily look up a kid's address and their school and their financial info to see if they are poor and black/Hispanic, etc. All it takes it a quick Google search if they really want to know.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing some of those low scores (that were surely not submitted) made me feel better in some ways (but worse in others). But at least proof that not every kid has a 1450+ like is seemingly claimed on here.

It also depends on the high school in question. Some high schools have much higher stats.

It pisses me off scores aren’t required. So many kids with every advantage in the world (not the students that taking away scores was supposed to help) are now clogging admissions and applying places they never would have ever considered if they had to submit that low score.

Yah. Bummer your kid blew all of that time and money prepping and studying while others did something more fun/valuable. Tests are done. No one cares anymore. Your little Prep machine will need to find some other formula.

Smart people don’t need prep. His first mock ACT was a 35.

The SAT and ACT are NOT intelligences tests. Your kid is obviously very smart, but I bet you're UMC and that has a big impact on scores. Kids who are just as naturally smart as your kid but raised in a moderate or lower middle class home, attend a non-rigorous school, have non-English speaking parents, etc. will score lower.

What I've seen is in schools in wealthy areas the URMs come from an identical background, some even wealthier than many of the non-represented families. Their kids greatly benefit from this and will gain admission with lower scores/gpa. It is really frustrating for kids that worked right alongside these peers their entire childhood to see kids with at times a full point lower GPA and lower scores gain admission.

It's just the way it is. It would be admirable if the system worked and benefited those that really were at risk and disadvantaged, but it doesn't. Those kids are in areas where people aren't even applying to college, much less top colleges. Then, you have the issue if these kids get in they are not prepared at all for the rigors of the university because of their dismal public schools.

Well, I don't know where you've "seen" but by and large what you've described isn't the case. Certainly not at this high school, where it is definitely not the case that the URMs here come from "identical" backgrounds as the white kids. The white kids here are definitely wealthier on average.

Two of the wealthiest families in our hood are 'URM'. I'm talking $$$$$$$$$. Many multi-cultural families choosing the side that is not white on the application. But, I'm sure when you look at the kid you are basing it on their 'appearance'.

We're not talking about your hood. We're talking about another hood.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Wash U. Jeez.

What about that seems surprising? That’s a kid with a top 5% GPA who probably applied test optional. Seems pretty on par right?

Yes, it seems unlikely that this applicant submitted that score.

This was the one applicant out of 19 that was accepted to Wash U. I'd love to see the stats on the 18 who were rejected.

Grade inflation in APS is rampant. I've had two kids go through and a current rising senior. Every final grade has been an A. They didn't work very hard.

Weren't there like 52 valedictorians ?

I'd like to see APS statistics on AP scores and how they align with grades. My kids (35 ACTs) had high As going into some AP tests, were convinced they were really well prepared from the class alone, and got 4s on some of the tests. To me, that indicates a lack of rigor.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing some of those low scores (that were surely not submitted) made me feel better in some ways (but worse in others). But at least proof that not every kid has a 1450+ like is seemingly claimed on here.

It also depends on the high school in question. Some high schools have much higher stats.

It pisses me off scores aren’t required. So many kids with every advantage in the world (not the students that taking away scores was supposed to help) are now clogging admissions and applying places they never would have ever considered if they had to submit that low score.

Yah. Bummer your kid blew all of that time and money prepping and studying while others did something more fun/valuable. Tests are done. No one cares anymore. Your little Prep machine will need to find some other formula.

Smart people don’t need prep. His first mock ACT was a 35.

The SAT and ACT are NOT intelligences tests. Your kid is obviously very smart, but I bet you're UMC and that has a big impact on scores. Kids who are just as naturally smart as your kid but raised in a moderate or lower middle class home, attend a non-rigorous school, have non-English speaking parents, etc. will score lower.

What I've seen is in schools in wealthy areas the URMs come from an identical background, some even wealthier than many of the non-represented families. Their kids greatly benefit from this and will gain admission with lower scores/gpa. It is really frustrating for kids that worked right alongside these peers their entire childhood to see kids with at times a full point lower GPA and lower scores gain admission.

It's just the way it is. It would be admirable if the system worked and benefited those that really were at risk and disadvantaged, but it doesn't. Those kids are in areas where people aren't even applying to college, much less top colleges. Then, you have the issue if these kids get in they are not prepared at all for the rigors of the university because of their dismal public schools.

Well, I don't know where you've "seen" but by and large what you've described isn't the case. Certainly not at this high school, where it is definitely not the case that the URMs here come from "identical" backgrounds as the white kids. The white kids here are definitely wealthier on average.

Two of the wealthiest families in our hood are 'URM'. I'm talking $$$$$$$$$. Many multi-cultural families choosing the side that is not white on the application. But, I'm sure when you look at the kid you are basing it on their 'appearance'.

Don't hate on them. They are just answering the question truthfully. Are you black or Hispanic? My kid is half Hispanic so he checked the Hispanic box. It is what he is. If colleges want to view him differently, fine, but don't blame him for giving them truthful information. Colleges are dumb. They can easily look up a kid's address and their school and their financial info to see if they are poor and black/Hispanic, etc. All it takes it a quick Google search if they really want to know.

I think you mean 'colleges aren't dumb'. If they can get more to fill their quota and make them look ultra diverse as they are all racing to prove they can have the least legacy and most URM and first gen students these past few years---why would they do the work to look it up? Princeton is at 68% URM.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing some of those low scores (that were surely not submitted) made me feel better in some ways (but worse in others). But at least proof that not every kid has a 1450+ like is seemingly claimed on here.

It also depends on the high school in question. Some high schools have much higher stats.

It pisses me off scores aren’t required. So many kids with every advantage in the world (not the students that taking away scores was supposed to help) are now clogging admissions and applying places they never would have ever considered if they had to submit that low score.

Yah. Bummer your kid blew all of that time and money prepping and studying while others did something more fun/valuable. Tests are done. No one cares anymore. Your little Prep machine will need to find some other formula.

Smart people don’t need prep. His first mock ACT was a 35.

The SAT and ACT are NOT intelligences tests. Your kid is obviously very smart, but I bet you're UMC and that has a big impact on scores. Kids who are just as naturally smart as your kid but raised in a moderate or lower middle class home, attend a non-rigorous school, have non-English speaking parents, etc. will score lower.

What I've seen is in schools in wealthy areas the URMs come from an identical background, some even wealthier than many of the non-represented families. Their kids greatly benefit from this and will gain admission with lower scores/gpa. It is really frustrating for kids that worked right alongside these peers their entire childhood to see kids with at times a full point lower GPA and lower scores gain admission.

It's just the way it is. It would be admirable if the system worked and benefited those that really were at risk and disadvantaged, but it doesn't. Those kids are in areas where people aren't even applying to college, much less top colleges. Then, you have the issue if these kids get in they are not prepared at all for the rigors of the university because of their dismal public schools.

Well, I don't know where you've "seen" but by and large what you've described isn't the case. Certainly not at this high school, where it is definitely not the case that the URMs here come from "identical" backgrounds as the white kids. The white kids here are definitely wealthier on average.

Two of the wealthiest families in our hood are 'URM'. I'm talking $$$$$$$$$. Many multi-cultural families choosing the side that is not white on the application. But, I'm sure when you look at the kid you are basing it on their 'appearance'.

Don't hate on them. They are just answering the question truthfully. Are you black or Hispanic? My kid is half Hispanic so he checked the Hispanic box. It is what he is. If colleges want to view him differently, fine, but don't blame him for giving them truthful information. Colleges are dumb. They can easily look up a kid's address and their school and their financial info to see if they are poor and black/Hispanic, etc. All it takes it a quick Google search if they really want to know.

I think you mean 'colleges aren't dumb'. If they can get more to fill their quota and make them look ultra diverse as they are all racing to prove they can have the least legacy and most URM and first gen students these past few years---why would they do the work to look it up? Princeton is at 68% URM.

No, it’s not.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Wash U. Jeez.

What about that seems surprising? That’s a kid with a top 5% GPA who probably applied test optional. Seems pretty on par right?

Yes, it seems unlikely that this applicant submitted that score.

This was the one applicant out of 19 that was accepted to Wash U. I'd love to see the stats on the 18 who were rejected.

Grade inflation in APS is rampant. I've had two kids go through and a current rising senior. Every final grade has been an A. They didn't work very hard.

Weren't there like 52 valedictorians ?

All it takes to be a “valedictorian” is a 4.0. It takes more to be top 10%. Collegea dont care about valedictorians, they care about how the kid performs vs classmates. .

Grades (whether inflated or not) dont matter as much as class rank and rigor. Class rank and rigor are highly correlated. Its tough to be too 10% without taking the most rigorous courseload.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone got into UVA with a 3.1???? That should light this board up like crazy.

The lowest GPA of admitted students to UVA was 3.933 according to the link. Not a 3.1. Learn to read.

There are two links to two charts. Maybe don’t be such an arrogant ass.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing some of those low scores (that were surely not submitted) made me feel better in some ways (but worse in others). But at least proof that not every kid has a 1450+ like is seemingly claimed on here.

It also depends on the high school in question. Some high schools have much higher stats.

It pisses me off scores aren’t required. So many kids with every advantage in the world (not the students that taking away scores was supposed to help) are now clogging admissions and applying places they never would have ever considered if they had to submit that low score.

Yah. Bummer your kid blew all of that time and money prepping and studying while others did something more fun/valuable. Tests are done. No one cares anymore. Your little Prep machine will need to find some other formula.

Smart people don’t need prep. His first mock ACT was a 35.

The SAT and ACT are NOT intelligences tests. Your kid is obviously very smart, but I bet you're UMC and that has a big impact on scores. Kids who are just as naturally smart as your kid but raised in a moderate or lower middle class home, attend a non-rigorous school, have non-English speaking parents, etc. will score lower.

What I've seen is in schools in wealthy areas the URMs come from an identical background, some even wealthier than many of the non-represented families. Their kids greatly benefit from this and will gain admission with lower scores/gpa. It is really frustrating for kids that worked right alongside these peers their entire childhood to see kids with at times a full point lower GPA and lower scores gain admission.

It's just the way it is. It would be admirable if the system worked and benefited those that really were at risk and disadvantaged, but it doesn't. Those kids are in areas where people aren't even applying to college, much less top colleges. Then, you have the issue if these kids get in they are not prepared at all for the rigors of the university because of their dismal public schools.

Well, I don't know where you've "seen" but by and large what you've described isn't the case. Certainly not at this high school, where it is definitely not the case that the URMs here come from "identical" backgrounds as the white kids. The white kids here are definitely wealthier on average.

Two of the wealthiest families in our hood are 'URM'. I'm talking $$$$$$$$$. Many multi-cultural families choosing the side that is not white on the application. But, I'm sure when you look at the kid you are basing it on their 'appearance'.

Don't hate on them. They are just answering the question truthfully. Are you black or Hispanic? My kid is half Hispanic so he checked the Hispanic box. It is what he is. If colleges want to view him differently, fine, but don't blame him for giving them truthful information. Colleges are dumb. They can easily look up a kid's address and their school and their financial info to see if they are poor and black/Hispanic, etc. All it takes it a quick Google search if they really want to know.

I think you mean 'colleges aren't dumb'. If they can get more to fill their quota and make them look ultra diverse as they are all racing to prove they can have the least legacy and most URM and first gen students these past few years---why would they do the work to look it up? Princeton is at 68% URM.

No, it’s not.

+1 Someone keeps posting the 68% figure on the board. That number is for ACCEPTED students. If you go to Princeton's enrolled student demographic page the URM number is 22% (https://inclusive.princeton.edu/about/demographics).

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing some of those low scores (that were surely not submitted) made me feel better in some ways (but worse in others). But at least proof that not every kid has a 1450+ like is seemingly claimed on here.

It also depends on the high school in question. Some high schools have much higher stats.

It pisses me off scores aren’t required. So many kids with every advantage in the world (not the students that taking away scores was supposed to help) are now clogging admissions and applying places they never would have ever considered if they had to submit that low score.

Yah. Bummer your kid blew all of that time and money prepping and studying while others did something more fun/valuable. Tests are done. No one cares anymore. Your little Prep machine will need to find some other formula.

Smart people don’t need prep. His first mock ACT was a 35.

The SAT and ACT are NOT intelligences tests. Your kid is obviously very smart, but I bet you're UMC and that has a big impact on scores. Kids who are just as naturally smart as your kid but raised in a moderate or lower middle class home, attend a non-rigorous school, have non-English speaking parents, etc. will score lower.

What I've seen is in schools in wealthy areas the URMs come from an identical background, some even wealthier than many of the non-represented families. Their kids greatly benefit from this and will gain admission with lower scores/gpa. It is really frustrating for kids that worked right alongside these peers their entire childhood to see kids with at times a full point lower GPA and lower scores gain admission.

It's just the way it is. It would be admirable if the system worked and benefited those that really were at risk and disadvantaged, but it doesn't. Those kids are in areas where people aren't even applying to college, much less top colleges. Then, you have the issue if these kids get in they are not prepared at all for the rigors of the university because of their dismal public schools.

Well, I don't know where you've "seen" but by and large what you've described isn't the case. Certainly not at this high school, where it is definitely not the case that the URMs here come from "identical" backgrounds as the white kids. The white kids here are definitely wealthier on average.

Two of the wealthiest families in our hood are 'URM'. I'm talking $$$$$$$$$. Many multi-cultural families choosing the side that is not white on the application. But, I'm sure when you look at the kid you are basing it on their 'appearance'.

Don't hate on them. They are just answering the question truthfully. Are you black or Hispanic? My kid is half Hispanic so he checked the Hispanic box. It is what he is. If colleges want to view him differently, fine, but don't blame him for giving them truthful information. Colleges are dumb. They can easily look up a kid's address and their school and their financial info to see if they are poor and black/Hispanic, etc. All it takes it a quick Google search if they really want to know.

I think you mean 'colleges aren't dumb'. If they can get more to fill their quota and make them look ultra diverse as they are all racing to prove they can have the least legacy and most URM and first gen students these past few years---why would they do the work to look it up? Princeton is at 68% URM.

No, it’s not.

+1 Someone keeps posting the 68% figure on the board. That number is for ACCEPTED students. If you go to Princeton's enrolled student demographic page the URM number is 22% (https://inclusive.princeton.edu/about/demographics).

Yes. Accepted--[/b]almost 70%[b]. They decided not to attend/enroll. What is your point? The whole story about the 68% was the advantage given to URMs in admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing some of those low scores (that were surely not submitted) made me feel better in some ways (but worse in others). But at least proof that not every kid has a 1450+ like is seemingly claimed on here.

It also depends on the high school in question. Some high schools have much higher stats.

It pisses me off scores aren’t required. So many kids with every advantage in the world (not the students that taking away scores was supposed to help) are now clogging admissions and applying places they never would have ever considered if they had to submit that low score.

Yah. Bummer your kid blew all of that time and money prepping and studying while others did something more fun/valuable. Tests are done. No one cares anymore. Your little Prep machine will need to find some other formula.

Smart people don’t need prep. His first mock ACT was a 35.

The SAT and ACT are NOT intelligences tests. Your kid is obviously very smart, but I bet you're UMC and that has a big impact on scores. Kids who are just as naturally smart as your kid but raised in a moderate or lower middle class home, attend a non-rigorous school, have non-English speaking parents, etc. will score lower.

What I've seen is in schools in wealthy areas the URMs come from an identical background, some even wealthier than many of the non-represented families. Their kids greatly benefit from this and will gain admission with lower scores/gpa. It is really frustrating for kids that worked right alongside these peers their entire childhood to see kids with at times a full point lower GPA and lower scores gain admission.

It's just the way it is. It would be admirable if the system worked and benefited those that really were at risk and disadvantaged, but it doesn't. Those kids are in areas where people aren't even applying to college, much less top colleges. Then, you have the issue if these kids get in they are not prepared at all for the rigors of the university because of their dismal public schools.

Well, I don't know where you've "seen" but by and large what you've described isn't the case. Certainly not at this high school, where it is definitely not the case that the URMs here come from "identical" backgrounds as the white kids. The white kids here are definitely wealthier on average.

Two of the wealthiest families in our hood are 'URM'. I'm talking $$$$$$$$$. Many multi-cultural families choosing the side that is not white on the application. But, I'm sure when you look at the kid you are basing it on their 'appearance'.

Don't hate on them. They are just answering the question truthfully. Are you black or Hispanic? My kid is half Hispanic so he checked the Hispanic box. It is what he is. If colleges want to view him differently, fine, but don't blame him for giving them truthful information. Colleges are dumb. They can easily look up a kid's address and their school and their financial info to see if they are poor and black/Hispanic, etc. All it takes it a quick Google search if they really want to know.

I think you mean 'colleges aren't dumb'. If they can get more to fill their quota and make them look ultra diverse as they are all racing to prove they can have the least legacy and most URM and first gen students these past few years---why would they do the work to look it up? Princeton is at 68% URM.

No, it’s not.

+1 Someone keeps posting the 68% figure on the board. That number is for ACCEPTED students. If you go to Princeton's enrolled student demographic page the URM number is 22% (https://inclusive.princeton.edu/about/demographics).

Yes. Accepted--[/b]almost 70%[b]. They decided not to attend/enroll. What is your point? The whole story about the 68% was the advantage given to URMs in admissions.

And it's because they are trying to drive up the historical demographic numbers which will not be consistent with the general population ratios.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Wash U. Jeez.

What about that seems surprising? That’s a kid with a top 5% GPA who probably applied test optional. Seems pretty on par right?

Yes, it seems unlikely that this applicant submitted that score.

This was the one applicant out of 19 that was accepted to Wash U. I'd love to see the stats on the 18 who were rejected.

Grade inflation in APS is rampant. I've had two kids go through and a current rising senior. Every final grade has been an A. They didn't work very hard.

Weren't there like 52 valedictorians ?

All it takes to be a “valedictorian” is a 4.0. It takes more to be top 10%. Collegea dont care about valedictorians, they care about how the kid performs vs classmates. .

Grades (whether inflated or not) dont matter as much as class rank and rigor. Class rank and rigor are highly correlated. Its tough to be too 10% without taking the most rigorous courseload.

There were well over 200 valedictorians this year. It was just shy of half the class.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing some of those low scores (that were surely not submitted) made me feel better in some ways (but worse in others). But at least proof that not every kid has a 1450+ like is seemingly claimed on here.

It also depends on the high school in question. Some high schools have much higher stats.

It pisses me off scores aren’t required. So many kids with every advantage in the world (not the students that taking away scores was supposed to help) are now clogging admissions and applying places they never would have ever considered if they had to submit that low score.

Yah. Bummer your kid blew all of that time and money prepping and studying while others did something more fun/valuable. Tests are done. No one cares anymore. Your little Prep machine will need to find some other formula.

Smart people don’t need prep. His first mock ACT was a 35.

The SAT and ACT are NOT intelligences tests. Your kid is obviously very smart, but I bet you're UMC and that has a big impact on scores. Kids who are just as naturally smart as your kid but raised in a moderate or lower middle class home, attend a non-rigorous school, have non-English speaking parents, etc. will score lower.

What I've seen is in schools in wealthy areas the URMs come from an identical background, some even wealthier than many of the non-represented families. Their kids greatly benefit from this and will gain admission with lower scores/gpa. It is really frustrating for kids that worked right alongside these peers their entire childhood to see kids with at times a full point lower GPA and lower scores gain admission.

It's just the way it is. It would be admirable if the system worked and benefited those that really were at risk and disadvantaged, but it doesn't. Those kids are in areas where people aren't even applying to college, much less top colleges. Then, you have the issue if these kids get in they are not prepared at all for the rigors of the university because of their dismal public schools.

Well, I don't know where you've "seen" but by and large what you've described isn't the case. Certainly not at this high school, where it is definitely not the case that the URMs here come from "identical" backgrounds as the white kids. The white kids here are definitely wealthier on average.

Two of the wealthiest families in our hood are 'URM'. I'm talking $$$$$$$$$. Many multi-cultural families choosing the side that is not white on the application. But, I'm sure when you look at the kid you are basing it on their 'appearance'.

Don't hate on them. They are just answering the question truthfully. Are you black or Hispanic? My kid is half Hispanic so he checked the Hispanic box. It is what he is. If colleges want to view him differently, fine, but don't blame him for giving them truthful information. Colleges are dumb. They can easily look up a kid's address and their school and their financial info to see if they are poor and black/Hispanic, etc. All it takes it a quick Google search if they really want to know.

I think you mean 'colleges aren't dumb'. If they can get more to fill their quota and make them look ultra diverse as they are all racing to prove they can have the least legacy and most URM and first gen students these past few years---why would they do the work to look it up? Princeton is at 68% URM.

No, it’s not.

+1 Someone keeps posting the 68% figure on the board. That number is for ACCEPTED students. If you go to Princeton's enrolled student demographic page the URM number is 22% (https://inclusive.princeton.edu/about/demographics).

Yes. Accepted--[/b]almost 70%[b]. They decided not to attend/enroll. What is your point? The whole story about the 68% was the advantage given to URMs in admissions.

My point is that you are not posting facts and trying to get people on this board to believe that the URM population is 68% at Princeton. There are not enough URMs that are within these schools' acceptable stats range applying to college to achieve those numbers at ANY top 20 schools. I know that URMs have an advantage in admissions but if we are having an honest conversation about this post facts instead of misleading people.