Class of 22 admissions report

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Wash U. Jeez.

What about that seems surprising? That’s a kid with a top 5% GPA who probably applied test optional. Seems pretty on par right?

Yes, it seems unlikely that this applicant submitted that score.

This was the one applicant out of 19 that was accepted to Wash U. I'd love to see the stats on the 18 who were rejected.

Grade inflation in APS is rampant. I've had two kids go through and a current rising senior. Every final grade has been an A. They didn't work very hard.

Weren't there like 52 valedictorians ?

All it takes to be a “valedictorian” is a 4.0. It takes more to be top 10%. Collegea dont care about valedictorians, they care about how the kid performs vs classmates. .

Grades (whether inflated or not) dont matter as much as class rank and rigor. Class rank and rigor are highly correlated. Its tough to be too 10% without taking the most rigorous courseload.

There were well over 200 valedictorians this year. It was just shy of half the class.

And about half of them were female. That’s as irrelevant as your fact. It’s class rank and rigor that matter. The valedictorian label is meaningless. Colleges dont even know that at the time of application or admission. Whats amazing is the lack of analytical skills on this board.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Wash U. Jeez.

What about that seems surprising? That’s a kid with a top 5% GPA who probably applied test optional. Seems pretty on par right?

Yes, it seems unlikely that this applicant submitted that score.

This was the one applicant out of 19 that was accepted to Wash U. I'd love to see the stats on the 18 who were rejected.

Grade inflation in APS is rampant. I've had two kids go through and a current rising senior. Every final grade has been an A. They didn't work very hard.

Weren't there like 52 valedictorians ?

All it takes to be a “valedictorian” is a 4.0. It takes more to be top 10%. Collegea dont care about valedictorians, they care about how the kid performs vs classmates. .

Grades (whether inflated or not) dont matter as much as class rank and rigor. Class rank and rigor are highly correlated. Its tough to be too 10% without taking the most rigorous courseload.

There were well over 200 valedictorians this year. It was just shy of half the class.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing some of those low scores (that were surely not submitted) made me feel better in some ways (but worse in others). But at least proof that not every kid has a 1450+ like is seemingly claimed on here.

It also depends on the high school in question. Some high schools have much higher stats.

It pisses me off scores aren’t required. So many kids with every advantage in the world (not the students that taking away scores was supposed to help) are now clogging admissions and applying places they never would have ever considered if they had to submit that low score.

Yah. Bummer your kid blew all of that time and money prepping and studying while others did something more fun/valuable. Tests are done. No one cares anymore. Your little Prep machine will need to find some other formula.

Smart people don’t need prep. His first mock ACT was a 35.

The SAT and ACT are NOT intelligences tests. Your kid is obviously very smart, but I bet you're UMC and that has a big impact on scores. Kids who are just as naturally smart as your kid but raised in a moderate or lower middle class home, attend a non-rigorous school, have non-English speaking parents, etc. will score lower.

What I've seen is in schools in wealthy areas the URMs come from an identical background, some even wealthier than many of the non-represented families. Their kids greatly benefit from this and will gain admission with lower scores/gpa. It is really frustrating for kids that worked right alongside these peers their entire childhood to see kids with at times a full point lower GPA and lower scores gain admission.

It's just the way it is. It would be admirable if the system worked and benefited those that really were at risk and disadvantaged, but it doesn't. Those kids are in areas where people aren't even applying to college, much less top colleges. Then, you have the issue if these kids get in they are not prepared at all for the rigors of the university because of their dismal public schools.

Well, I don't know where you've "seen" but by and large what you've described isn't the case. Certainly not at this high school, where it is definitely not the case that the URMs here come from "identical" backgrounds as the white kids. The white kids here are definitely wealthier on average.

Two of the wealthiest families in our hood are 'URM'. I'm talking $$$$$$$$$. Many multi-cultural families choosing the side that is not white on the application. But, I'm sure when you look at the kid you are basing it on their 'appearance'.

Don't hate on them. They are just answering the question truthfully. Are you black or Hispanic? My kid is half Hispanic so he checked the Hispanic box. It is what he is. If colleges want to view him differently, fine, but don't blame him for giving them truthful information. Colleges are dumb. They can easily look up a kid's address and their school and their financial info to see if they are poor and black/Hispanic, etc. All it takes it a quick Google search if they really want to know.

I think you mean 'colleges aren't dumb'. If they can get more to fill their quota and make them look ultra diverse as they are all racing to prove they can have the least legacy and most URM and first gen students these past few years---why would they do the work to look it up? Princeton is at 68% URM.

No, it’s not.

+1 Someone keeps posting the 68% figure on the board. That number is for ACCEPTED students. If you go to Princeton's enrolled student demographic page the URM number is 22% (https://inclusive.princeton.edu/about/demographics).

Yes. Accepted--[/b]almost 70%[b]. They decided not to attend/enroll. What is your point? The whole story about the 68% was the advantage given to URMs in admissions.

My point is that you are not posting facts and trying to get people on this board to believe that the URM population is 68% at Princeton. There are not enough URMs that are within these schools' acceptable stats range applying to college to achieve those numbers at ANY top 20 schools. I know that URMs have an advantage in admissions but if we are having an honest conversation about this post facts instead of misleading people.

32% of non-minorities/nonURM accepted.
68% of minorities/URM accepted.

Make of it what you will.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Wash U. Jeez.

What about that seems surprising? That’s a kid with a top 5% GPA who probably applied test optional. Seems pretty on par right?

Yes, it seems unlikely that this applicant submitted that score.

This was the one applicant out of 19 that was accepted to Wash U. I'd love to see the stats on the 18 who were rejected.

Grade inflation in APS is rampant. I've had two kids go through and a current rising senior. Every final grade has been an A. They didn't work very hard.

Weren't there like 52 valedictorians ?

All it takes to be a “valedictorian” is a 4.0. It takes more to be top 10%. Collegea dont care about valedictorians, they care about how the kid performs vs classmates. .

Grades (whether inflated or not) dont matter as much as class rank and rigor. Class rank and rigor are highly correlated. Its tough to be too 10% without taking the most rigorous courseload.

There were well over 200 valedictorians this year. It was just shy of half the class.

And about half of them were female. That’s as irrelevant as your fact. It’s class rank and rigor that matter. The valedictorian label is meaningless. Colleges dont even know that at the time of application or admission. Whats amazing is the lack of analytical skills on this board.

+1 And if a high school doesn't provide class rank, it DOES provide grade distribution information to colleges. So if half the class has a 4.0 or above, then the college will realize that a 4.0 is not at all impressive and base its acceptance decisions for applicants from that particular school accordingly. Similarly, if 25% of the class has a 4.2 or above, then colleges that look for top 10% or so will reject non-hooked students from that school with a 4.2 and look at the grade distribution data for whatever GPA correlates to top 10%. (Note that this generalization applies to DMV public high schools, and not very-hard-to-get-in private schools.)

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Anonymous wrote:Someone got into UVA with a 3.1???? That should light this board up like crazy.

The lowest GPA of admitted students to UVA was 3.933 according to the link. Not a 3.1. Learn to read.

My kids went through public APS. They literally did nothing and received all As. It was a joke. There is serious grade inflation. However, I hear UVA has the same so they might be okay. lol

I have had 4 graduated from WL in the last 8 years, including Class of 22 whose college results are reflected on this chart. Your kids must have not taken any AP or IB classes. Mine worked their butts off in the AP and IB classes and very much earned their As.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Wash U. Jeez.

What about that seems surprising? That’s a kid with a top 5% GPA who probably applied test optional. Seems pretty on par right?

Yes, it seems unlikely that this applicant submitted that score.

This was the one applicant out of 19 that was accepted to Wash U. I'd love to see the stats on the 18 who were rejected.

Grade inflation in APS is rampant. I've had two kids go through and a current rising senior. Every final grade has been an A. They didn't work very hard.

Weren't there like 52 valedictorians ?

All it takes to be a “valedictorian” is a 4.0. It takes more to be top 10%. Collegea dont care about valedictorians, they care about how the kid performs vs classmates. .

Grades (whether inflated or not) dont matter as much as class rank and rigor. Class rank and rigor are highly correlated. Its tough to be too 10% without taking the most rigorous courseload.

There were well over 200 valedictorians this year. It was just shy of half the class.

And about half of them were female. That’s as irrelevant as your fact. It’s class rank and rigor that matter. The valedictorian label is meaningless. Colleges dont even know that at the time of application or admission. Whats amazing is the lack of analytical skills on this board.

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Anonymous wrote:DC just graduated from W-L. There is an IB program at W-L that is like a school within a school. Those kids get great admissions results to Top 10 schools and especially Univ of California schools.

Top 10% cut off is around 4.3. Im surprised to see the SAT and ACT scores. Clearly lots of these kids went test optional. FYI the data is not pulled from Naviance per the college counselor.

My kid just graduated with an IB Diploma from W-L. I never thought of it as a school within a school, but I suppose things can look different to different people. My kid had a 3.98 GPA/4.53 wGPA and a 35 ACT, and the full IB Diploma, and that didn't seem to really help him with top-10 schools (or even top-20 schools), but that's a different story for another day. I think he's landed in a very good spot, and I think he got an excellent education at W-L.

That’s tough! Looking at the data, it looks like your kid’s scores match up to UVA. If so, that’s a plum landing.

UVa was one of the places that didn't admit him, to my (continued) surprise. But he had what to him (and me) seemed like an excellent, out of state, private alternative that he's pretty excited about. Since it game with a very generous merit aid package, the cost differential from a VA state school doesn't seem quite so financially painful...

sheesh, wtf, pardon my French. Insane that your child wasn’t accepted. UVA seems to love FCPS best. If he was at Maggie Walker w/those stats he would have sailed in.

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Dayum, they took the link down! So much for transparency, LOL!!

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Anonymous wrote:Dayum, they took the link down! So much for transparency, LOL!!

That's why I downloaded it as soon as I saw it. I knew it wouldn't last.

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Anonymous wrote:Dayum, they took the link down! So much for transparency, LOL!!

That's why I downloaded it as soon as I saw it. I knew it wouldn't last.

I did too. Saved on my laptop.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone got into UVA with a 3.1???? That should light this board up like crazy.

The lowest GPA of admitted students to UVA was 3.933 according to the link. Not a 3.1. Learn to read.

There are two links to two charts. Maybe don’t be such an arrogant ass.

So a once in a decade athlete got in with a 3.1. Good for him or her.

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32% of non-minorities/nonURM accepted.
68% of minorities/URM accepted.

Make of it what you will.




There is a vast difference between stating that Princeton is 68% URM vs stating that 68% of URM applicants were accepted. Not sure any of your stats are credible at this point.

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Oh snap. I guess a parent called the school to complain. I see why, but i wish the schools would publish 3-year reports. The info is incredibly useful.

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Smart to take the link down. I could identify stats for a bunch of kids my child knows who are attending the smaller/more unusual schools.

My takeaways - 1) I suspect some of the scores in the data set were self or school reported but were not submitted. For a couple schools I saw my child’s stats representing the low end but she self reported those to Naviance only to aid in her search but did not submit test scores. 2) I’m still surprised by the admit rates at some schools that appear to have high admission rates but per Naviance, were accepting much lower rates from WL. VCU is one example - a thread on DCUM the other day was saying they admit “everyone” but only 65% of WL applicants were offered admission.

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There's a lot of inflated grades going on there.