Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees

[Anonymous]

My SIL is neither a vet or military spouse. She’s a teacher in Florida (private parochial school). I should add that she home schooled her kids for a year when they were young, like 5 &10. The ten year old had to repeat the grade because he couldn’t pass the home school exam. He graduated at 19 1/2.

She had no business teaching her own kids, let alone other peoples kids.

Yay Florida

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Anonymous wrote:I just feel this is a publicity stunt. Doubt they would get more than a few dozen and most would quit after a year if not sooner. Being in the military has nothing to do with being an educator.

It is because the article said no one agreed to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.

A lot of adults who have degrees can hardly read, write, and do math. At least make them pass a difficult teacher licensure exam like the Praxis or a Pearson test like the Foundations of Reading used in states like MA and NC. There are people making a lot of money off preparing teachers to pass those tests because they are challenging. If a teacher can’t pass subject tests then they 100% should not be able to teach that subject. At least raise your bar a bit higher…

[Anonymous]

Florida men don’t just happen.

This is how they are developed.

[Anonymous]

I bet the DOE is perfectly happy to place people who have no idea how to teach in classrooms, because they expect that experienced teachers will teach them how to teach.

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Anonymous wrote:Why the military. Why? What is so special about the military? I don't "get it"

Can someone explain the thinking. Even if I don't agree, I want to know --- what are they thinking?

The reason that there is a premium placed on placing veterans into jobs is that we as a nation need a standing military. In order to protect the freedoms and the first world culture that we have here, we need a military that will protect our way of life from outside threats be they nations like the former Soviet Union/now Russia) or terrorists (whether European, Middle Eastern, Asian). The US is a unique nation being the top of the world order and needs a significant standing military. It is also used to protect our citizens abroad in many locations world-wide. We could be a nation like Israel which demands that all youth of certain ages must serve in the military. But instead of reinstituting the draft (I am old enough to have had to register for the draft when I was of age), we now use a volunteer force. I have known friends who were drafted for service right out of high school. Young men and women can choose to enlist or they can go to officer training academies like West Point, USN Annapolis, USAF Academy, etc, or they can go to regular colleges through the Reserves (ROTC). For many years now, we have been able to fulfill our military needs with a volunteer force.

In the course of the volunteer service, they not only give up many productive years of a work life, they also give up a lot more. They no longer get to live in the wealthy first world society that they are protecting. They are uprooted and moved around every 2-4 years to new assignments. They are frequently put into very dangerous situations and many of them risk their lives routinely. They are the ones deployed for any active military engagement. They lose their chance to build and nurture relationships whether family, significant others, children, or just good friendships. They frequently miss out on family events, significant parts of their children's lives, and so on. Additionally, many are often traumatized by the life that they lead. Many have been injured in the service to their country and we, our society. Many have seen co-workers and friends injured or die. Many have see people horrifically injured or killed and many suffer from abnormal psychology trauma from their years of service.

As recompense for volunteering to serve in the military, we give them incentives. That includes incentives to go back to college after their service, decent retirement benefits so that they can serve for a number of years and leave to work in the civilian work force with side retirement benefits, and so on. But one of problems many veterans have is that they come out and their military service is essentially a black hole on their resume. Think like the effect of taking parental leave to raise your children the first several years and ending up with a 5+ year gap on your resume. In most cases, these veterans have a complete gap on their resume if they entered the service right after high school. Their military training may or may not be useful in the work world.

In the past, we've had a problem that a large number of veterans have ended up jobless when leaving the service. Many of them ended up homeless and some vagrant living on the streets. For people who sacrificed a lot to provide service that most people are not willing to take, we do owe them more. We owe them the enough that we need to make sure that when they return to civilian life that they are due a basic standard of living. That they are not just used and then tossed out and abandoned.

If we aren't willing to do this basic compensation, then the level of volunteer enlistments will decline (and has been declining). If the decline reaches a certain level, then they will reinstate the draft and there will be mandatory military service for a certain portion of our youth in order to meet the level of military participation that we need to maintain our military forces. I, for one, would rather provide incentives to encourage people to voluntarily enlist rather than have my children go through what happened to friends. You plan for your career out of high school, the college you want to go to, and then you get the letter that says your number was called and you put your life and dreams on hold. And some of those kids never get those dreams or lives back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.

A lot of adults who have degrees can hardly read, write, and do math. At least make them pass a difficult teacher licensure exam like the Praxis or a Pearson test like the Foundations of Reading used in states like MA and NC. There are people making a lot of money off preparing teachers to pass those tests because they are challenging. If a teacher can’t pass subject tests then they 100% should not be able to teach that subject. At least raise your bar a bit higher…

Pennsylvania just said they will lower standards for people to become teachers. This is a horrible idea. We need to raise standards to be qualified to teach. I am a teacher and most of my colleagues are morons. It is so depressing.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet the DOE is perfectly happy to place people who have no idea how to teach in classrooms, because they expect that experienced teachers will teach them how to teach.

What? Teachers don't have time to go to the bathroom. When would they have time to teach a random adult how to teach?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet the DOE is perfectly happy to place people who have no idea how to teach in classrooms, because they expect that experienced teachers will teach them how to teach.

What? Teachers don't have time to go to the bathroom. When would they have time to teach a random adult how to teach?

I work in a high needs school with frequent turnover. You’d better believe we are expected to get newbies on board and teach them how to be effective, regardless of how much of our personal time it takes. It is not fair or right, but the current educational system exploits experienced teachers and has them train new ones without getting adequately compensated (if at all). Florida’s plan has this strategy written all over it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.

With jokers like this in public, I am so glad I am going private

Private schools very often don’t have good teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/07/21/florida-education-program-military-veterans-teach/10117107002/

What a horrible disservice this is to children! Being in the military or simply being married to someone who was in the military does not qualify anyone to educate young people. They only need half of a degree, a low gpa, and a passing test score - Florida's children are doomed. This is the state's cheapest possible option to get warm bodies into classrooms - not educators. This is how little they care for the future.

Try reading the article. They aren't just putting veterans or their spouses in the classroom. The only opposition to this is of course coming from the teachers unions.

Effective July 1, 2022, Florida issues a 5-year Temporary Certificate for military veterans who have not yet earned their bachelor’s degrees and meet the following eligibility:

-Minimum of 48 months of military service with an honorable/medical discharge
-Minimum of 60 college credits with a 2.5 grade point average
-Passing score on a Florida subject area examination for bachelor’s level subjects
-Employment in a Florida school district, including charter schools

https://www.fldoe.org/teaching/certification/military/

This is exactly what OP said. Half a degree and a low gpa. Not sure where they got the idea that military people had some kind of extra qualification that would make them suitable for educating children without any other qualification or even a complete education. But....Florida.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.

A lot of adults who have degrees can hardly read, write, and do math. At least make them pass a difficult teacher licensure exam like the Praxis or a Pearson test like the Foundations of Reading used in states like MA and NC. There are people making a lot of money off preparing teachers to pass those tests because they are challenging. If a teacher can’t pass subject tests then they 100% should not be able to teach that subject. At least raise your bar a bit higher…

Pennsylvania just said they will lower standards for people to become teachers. This is a horrible idea. We need to raise standards to be qualified to teach. I am a teacher and most of my colleagues are morons. It is so depressing.

LOL. I'm a teacher, too. Agree about the morons. Usually if you ask they have a degree from someplace I've never heard of in some deep red state, or worse, from some religious "college."

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.

But since 50% of all new teachers quit by year 5, it should indicate that this job is not for everyone.

The teachers I knew who quit after a few years did so to have kids and stay home with them since it is relatively easy to re-enter teaching after a career break for the little kid years. Most went back after kids were in school.

No idea if that is statistically common but is seems very likely to be a sizable chunk of the 50% loss.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.

With jokers like this in public, I am so glad I am going private

Private schools very often don’t have good teachers.

Not data, thanks for playing

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.

With jokers like this in public, I am so glad I am going private

Private schools very often don’t have good teachers.

Not data, thanks for playing

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