Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees

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These are not normal times, OP.

Florida is doing the best it can, as is every other state. Here in Florida we’ve had an enormous influx of people over the past couple of years, especially families, so we had to do something. It’s better than closing down the schools or having students not supervised properly.

OP here. I respectfully disagree, it's not better than 'having students not supervised properly.' What about their actual EDUCATION? Kids only have a limited time to become learners, thinkers, capable citizens who will hold down jobs and raise their families well. I don't think any child should be sent to school just to be supervised. It's a matter of budget priorities and the education of children in public schools is obviously not a priority. No schools should be shut down if enough resources were allocated to them. Florida is demonstrating a disregard for the lifelong success of the children in their public schools.

I agree. Florida wants to be the anti-tax party tourist state, and kids are getting the raw end of that deal.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.

With jokers like this in public, I am so glad I am going private

Private schools very often don’t have good teachers.

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NP. You must be one of those poor private school teacher.

You don’t need teacher data to know if a private school has good teachers. You need salary data. My oldest just took a job with a private middle school. He has 4 years experience with a Title I high school and just finished his Masters. Pay is $88,000 plus decent benefits. School has good reputation and nice facilities. Not hard to see they are getting good staff. Wonder why that could be?

Wow! DH and I each have 20 years teaching experience with Master’s degrees and are paid less than $80k at 2 different DMV private schools with tuition rates above $40k/year. The health and retirement benefits are also a joke.

Sounds like you need to renegotiate your contract. You are both underpaid for local private school teachers.

I don't get why people would agree to this when where does all that money go in privates?

Maybe they agree because they aren’t qualified to teach in public schools.

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More states should do this, it’s a great idea.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.

With jokers like this in public, I am so glad I am going private

Private schools very often don’t have good teachers.

Not data, thanks for playing

NP. You must be one of those poor private school teacher.

You don’t need teacher data to know if a private school has good teachers. You need salary data. My oldest just took a job with a private middle school. He has 4 years experience with a Title I high school and just finished his Masters. Pay is $88,000 plus decent benefits. School has good reputation and nice facilities. Not hard to see they are getting good staff. Wonder why that could be?

Wow! DH and I each have 20 years teaching experience with Master’s degrees and are paid less than $80k at 2 different DMV private schools with tuition rates above $40k/year. The health and retirement benefits are also a joke.

Sounds like you need to renegotiate your contract. You are both underpaid for local private school teachers.

I don't get why people would agree to this when where does all that money go in privates?

Maybe they agree because they aren’t qualified to teach in public schools.

Many teachers at my private are former public teachers. (I’m one of them.) The conditions can be much better. In my case, I find admin more supportive, the curriculum more logical, and the rules more consistent.

More on-track to this thread, I do work with several veterans. They are all certified teachers now, having worked toward certification at the start of their teaching careers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

These are not normal times, OP.

Florida is doing the best it can, as is every other state. Here in Florida we’ve had an enormous influx of people over the past couple of years, especially families, so we had to do something. It’s better than closing down the schools or having students not supervised properly.

OP here. I respectfully disagree, it's not better than 'having students not supervised properly.' What about their actual EDUCATION? Kids only have a limited time to become learners, thinkers, capable citizens who will hold down jobs and raise their families well. I don't think any child should be sent to school just to be supervised. It's a matter of budget priorities and the education of children in public schools is obviously not a priority. No schools should be shut down if enough resources were allocated to them. Florida is demonstrating a disregard for the lifelong success of the children in their public schools.

And I suppose you also think that ballgames should have no referees.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.

With jokers like this in public, I am so glad I am going private

Private schools very often don’t have good teachers.

Not data, thanks for playing

NP. You must be one of those poor private school teacher.

You don’t need teacher data to know if a private school has good teachers. You need salary data. My oldest just took a job with a private middle school. He has 4 years experience with a Title I high school and just finished his Masters. Pay is $88,000 plus decent benefits. School has good reputation and nice facilities. Not hard to see they are getting good staff. Wonder why that could be?

Wow! DH and I each have 20 years teaching experience with Master’s degrees and are paid less than $80k at 2 different DMV private schools with tuition rates above $40k/year. The health and retirement benefits are also a joke.

Sounds like you need to renegotiate your contract. You are both underpaid for local private school teachers.

I don't get why people would agree to this when where does all that money go in privates?

Maybe they agree because they aren’t qualified to teach in public schools.

Many teachers at my private are former public teachers. (I’m one of them.) The conditions can be much better. In my case, I find admin more supportive, the curriculum more logical, and the rules more consistent.

More on-track to this thread, I do work with several veterans. They are all certified teachers now, having worked toward certification at the start of their teaching careers.

Great!
Note, I wrote “maybe”.

[Anonymous]

Those I know who are in, or are veterans of the military, want nothing to do with teaching in a classroom, particularly at the elementary level.

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These are not normal times, OP.

Florida is doing the best it can, as is every other state. Here in Florida we’ve had an enormous influx of people over the past couple of years, especially families, so we had to do something. It’s better than closing down the schools or having students not supervised properly.

OP here. I respectfully disagree, it's not better than 'having students not supervised properly.' What about their actual EDUCATION? Kids only have a limited time to become learners, thinkers, capable citizens who will hold down jobs and raise their families well. I don't think any child should be sent to school just to be supervised. It's a matter of budget priorities and the education of children in public schools is obviously not a priority. No schools should be shut down if enough resources were allocated to them. Florida is demonstrating a disregard for the lifelong success of the children in their public schools.

And I suppose you also think that ballgames should have no referees.

Not the best analogy. A better analogy would be that baseball should have no coaches at training camps.

[Anonymous]

If you can get hired by a tech company to program and make 500K why can't you be a teacher?
19 billionaires have no college degree https://blog.cheapism.com/billionaires-without-college-degrees/

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I’ve had the fortunate or unfortunate experience of working in an elementary classroom at one of the top 5 public school districts in the country. Very highly unimpressed with the teachers and have since lost respect for teachers at the elementary level.
A trained monkey could have taught better than what I saw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

These are not normal times, OP.

Florida is doing the best it can, as is every other state. Here in Florida we’ve had an enormous influx of people over the past couple of years, especially families, so we had to do something. It’s better than closing down the schools or having students not supervised properly.

OP here. I respectfully disagree, it's not better than 'having students not supervised properly.' What about their actual EDUCATION? Kids only have a limited time to become learners, thinkers, capable citizens who will hold down jobs and raise their families well. I don't think any child should be sent to school just to be supervised. It's a matter of budget priorities and the education of children in public schools is obviously not a priority. No schools should be shut down if enough resources were allocated to them. Florida is demonstrating a disregard for the lifelong success of the children in their public schools.

PP here. Of course everyone agrees that having actual teachers is the best solution. Unfortunately that isn’t possible at the moment. By the lack of supervision I was referring to some other states who are combining classes so yes there’s a teacher but they’re handling way too many students. Given that most schools in Florida have been open throughout the pandemic, I’d say the best thing right now is to have enough screened adults in the schools rather than not having them in the schools because they don’t have a teaching degree.

And frankly, the way a lot of schools are these days, I think vets might be in a better position than most to handle the demands of the job. It’s not challenging teaching requirements causing most teachers to quit at the moment, it’s stress.

Plus I like the idea of supporting our service men and women. I think they should be given a chance to prove themselves if this is something they think they can do well at. (If they can’t perform then they shouldn’t be allowed to do the job, but this should apply to everyone, even if they have a teaching degree.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

These are not normal times, OP.

Florida is doing the best it can, as is every other state. Here in Florida we’ve had an enormous influx of people over the past couple of years, especially families, so we had to do something. It’s better than closing down the schools or having students not supervised properly.

OP here. I respectfully disagree, it's not better than 'having students not supervised properly.' What about their actual EDUCATION? Kids only have a limited time to become learners, thinkers, capable citizens who will hold down jobs and raise their families well. I don't think any child should be sent to school just to be supervised. It's a matter of budget priorities and the education of children in public schools is obviously not a priority. No schools should be shut down if enough resources were allocated to them. Florida is demonstrating a disregard for the lifelong success of the children in their public schools.

PP here. Of course everyone agrees that having actual teachers is the best solution. Unfortunately that isn’t possible at the moment. By the lack of supervision I was referring to some other states who are combining classes so yes there’s a teacher but they’re handling way too many students. Given that most schools in Florida have been open throughout the pandemic, I’d say the best thing right now is to have enough screened adults in the schools rather than not having them in the schools because they don’t have a teaching degree.

And frankly, the way a lot of schools are these days, I think vets might be in a better position than most to handle the demands of the job. It’s not challenging teaching requirements causing most teachers to quit at the moment, it’s stress.

Plus I like the idea of supporting our service men and women. I think they should be given a chance to prove themselves if this is something they think they can do well at. (If they can’t perform then they shouldn’t be allowed to do the job, but this should apply to everyone, even if they have a teaching degree.)

Of course, it is possible to get more teachers. Raise their salaries. Aren’t we in a capitalistic society.
Shows how much the US values education.

And what’s up with the - let’s give vets a chance. Kids are not Guinea pigs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are a nasty piece of work. I will pray for you.

Florida state universities never dropped the SAT/ACT requirement for admission, and the exam was free for all Florida students last year. That’s why they have a higher participation rate.

I was very happy with Hillsborough County Public Schools (Plant HS cluster) and Broward County Public Schools (Cypress Bay HS cluster). You go and have a peek at their matriculation lists and tell me if you still think Florida schools suck.

Many states make the SAT or ACT free for students. This is not unusual.

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Anonymous wrote:I personally think that the best thing to do is to provide incentives for veterans to enter other public service jobs, like firefighting, police, and local, county, state government positions. We have a shortage of police officers and firefighters nationwide and we have a large workforce that came from the military that need jobs. It seems like this would be a better fit for our retiring and discharged military than public school teaching.

This would make more sense

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Ron Desantis is a piece of work.
I’m sure he wants to arm these vets in schools too