Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those I know who are in, or are veterans of the military, want nothing to do with teaching in a classroom, particularly at the elementary level.

Probably because people will do low paying jobs if they get respect (EMS, enlisted military), or they'll do high paying jobs even if they get no respect (pharmaceutical rep, stripper) but they won't do low paying jobs that give them no respect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are a nasty piece of work. I will pray for you.

Florida state universities never dropped the SAT/ACT requirement for admission, and the exam was free for all Florida students last year. That’s why they have a higher participation rate.

I was very happy with Hillsborough County Public Schools (Plant HS cluster) and Broward County Public Schools (Cypress Bay HS cluster). You go and have a peek at their matriculation lists and tell me if you still think Florida schools suck.

Aww...do you call people nasty when they show you data and you find it objectionable? Here's more data you won't like...I will pray for your ability to manage your emotions in the presence of facts.
Florida ranks below Maryland and Virginia for PK-12 education in the US News rankings.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education/prek-12

Don’t care b/c I live in DC

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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These are not normal times, OP.

Florida is doing the best it can, as is every other state. Here in Florida we’ve had an enormous influx of people over the past couple of years, especially families, so we had to do something. It’s better than closing down the schools or having students not supervised properly.

OP here. I respectfully disagree, it's not better than 'having students not supervised properly.' What about their actual EDUCATION? Kids only have a limited time to become learners, thinkers, capable citizens who will hold down jobs and raise their families well. I don't think any child should be sent to school just to be supervised. It's a matter of budget priorities and the education of children in public schools is obviously not a priority. No schools should be shut down if enough resources were allocated to them. Florida is demonstrating a disregard for the lifelong success of the children in their public schools.

PP here. Of course everyone agrees that having actual teachers is the best solution. Unfortunately that isn’t possible at the moment. By the lack of supervision I was referring to some other states who are combining classes so yes there’s a teacher but they’re handling way too many students. Given that most schools in Florida have been open throughout the pandemic, I’d say the best thing right now is to have enough screened adults in the schools rather than not having them in the schools because they don’t have a teaching degree.

And frankly, the way a lot of schools are these days, I think vets might be in a better position than most to handle the demands of the job. It’s not challenging teaching requirements causing most teachers to quit at the moment, it’s stress.

Plus I like the idea of supporting our service men and women. I think they should be given a chance to prove themselves if this is something they think they can do well at. (If they can’t perform then they shouldn’t be allowed to do the job, but this should apply to everyone, even if they have a teaching degree.)

Of course, it is possible to get more teachers. Raise their salaries. Aren’t we in a capitalistic society.
Shows how much the US values education.

And what’s up with the - let’s give vets a chance. Kids are not Guinea pigs.

We already pay more per student for education than any other country. If we increase pay for teachers, we would need to reduce pay for bureaucrats at the same time to make up for it.

I think getting disruptive students out of the mainstream classes and allowing tracking based on student abilities would do way more to help retain and attract good teachers though.

[Anonymous]

But equity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

These are not normal times, OP.

Florida is doing the best it can, as is every other state. Here in Florida we’ve had an enormous influx of people over the past couple of years, especially families, so we had to do something. It’s better than closing down the schools or having students not supervised properly.

OP here. I respectfully disagree, it's not better than 'having students not supervised properly.' What about their actual EDUCATION? Kids only have a limited time to become learners, thinkers, capable citizens who will hold down jobs and raise their families well. I don't think any child should be sent to school just to be supervised. It's a matter of budget priorities and the education of children in public schools is obviously not a priority. No schools should be shut down if enough resources were allocated to them. Florida is demonstrating a disregard for the lifelong success of the children in their public schools.

PP here. Of course everyone agrees that having actual teachers is the best solution. Unfortunately that isn’t possible at the moment. By the lack of supervision I was referring to some other states who are combining classes so yes there’s a teacher but they’re handling way too many students. Given that most schools in Florida have been open throughout the pandemic, I’d say the best thing right now is to have enough screened adults in the schools rather than not having them in the schools because they don’t have a teaching degree.

And frankly, the way a lot of schools are these days, I think vets might be in a better position than most to handle the demands of the job. It’s not challenging teaching requirements causing most teachers to quit at the moment, it’s stress.

Plus I like the idea of supporting our service men and women. I think they should be given a chance to prove themselves if this is something they think they can do well at. (If they can’t perform then they shouldn’t be allowed to do the job, but this should apply to everyone, even if they have a teaching degree.)

Of course, it is possible to get more teachers. Raise their salaries. Aren’t we in a capitalistic society.
Shows how much the US values education.

And what’s up with the - let’s give vets a chance. Kids are not Guinea pigs.

We already pay more per student for education than any other country. If we increase pay for teachers, we would need to reduce pay for bureaucrats at the same time to make up for it.

I think getting disruptive students out of the mainstream classes and allowing tracking based on student abilities would do way more to help retain and attract good teachers though.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is the veteran or spouse of a veteran important?

Politics

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are a nasty piece of work. I will pray for you.

Florida state universities never dropped the SAT/ACT requirement for admission, and the exam was free for all Florida students last year. That’s why they have a higher participation rate.

I was very happy with Hillsborough County Public Schools (Plant HS cluster) and Broward County Public Schools (Cypress Bay HS cluster). You go and have a peek at their matriculation lists and tell me if you still think Florida schools suck.

Aww...do you call people nasty when they show you data and you find it objectionable? Here's more data you won't like...I will pray for your ability to manage your emotions in the presence of facts.
Florida ranks below Maryland and Virginia for PK-12 education in the US News rankings.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education/prek-12

Can’t trust US News I’m afraid - they factor in wonky things in their methodology like how much the budget is. For instance, would you be surprised to know that half of MCPS 3rd graders don’t read at grade level yet funding for the county ranks the largest school district in Maryland high on the US News list? Repeat Florida pays less, has same if not more diversity and often gets better results than higher paying Maryland - it’s just a fact and if we want Maryland to be a place like say Massachusetts then we have to figure out how to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are a nasty piece of work. I will pray for you.

Florida state universities never dropped the SAT/ACT requirement for admission, and the exam was free for all Florida students last year. That’s why they have a higher participation rate.

I was very happy with Hillsborough County Public Schools (Plant HS cluster) and Broward County Public Schools (Cypress Bay HS cluster). You go and have a peek at their matriculation lists and tell me if you still think Florida schools suck.

I agree. I'm near one of these counties. My kids' HS is well regarded and has very solid SAT/ACT scores. My graduate is doing well in college and has the Bright Futures scholarship. You can't just generalize 'Florida'. You have very rural and poor areas, inner city areas where most kids do not know English when they get to school, and well funded city/suburban schools that have great numbers. It's way more diverse than many places.

I also happen to know a few amazing teachers who are also veterans, but not from that program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are a nasty piece of work. I will pray for you.

Florida state universities never dropped the SAT/ACT requirement for admission, and the exam was free for all Florida students last year. That’s why they have a higher participation rate.

I was very happy with Hillsborough County Public Schools (Plant HS cluster) and Broward County Public Schools (Cypress Bay HS cluster). You go and have a peek at their matriculation lists and tell me if you still think Florida schools suck.

Aww...do you call people nasty when they show you data and you find it objectionable? Here's more data you won't like...I will pray for your ability to manage your emotions in the presence of facts.
Florida ranks below Maryland and Virginia for PK-12 education in the US News rankings.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education/prek-12

Did you actually read this chart? Florida was only one rank below Maryland in college readiness, beat Virginia in reading scores, and beat both Maryland and Virginia in preschool enrollment!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are a nasty piece of work. I will pray for you.

Florida state universities never dropped the SAT/ACT requirement for admission, and the exam was free for all Florida students last year. That’s why they have a higher participation rate.

I was very happy with Hillsborough County Public Schools (Plant HS cluster) and Broward County Public Schools (Cypress Bay HS cluster). You go and have a peek at their matriculation lists and tell me if you still think Florida schools suck.

Aww...do you call people nasty when they show you data and you find it objectionable? Here's more data you won't like...I will pray for your ability to manage your emotions in the presence of facts.
Florida ranks below Maryland and Virginia for PK-12 education in the US News rankings.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education/prek-12

Did you actually read this chart? Florida was only one rank below Maryland in college readiness, beat Virginia in reading scores, and beat both Maryland and Virginia in preschool enrollment!

and spends way less.

[Anonymous]

Yeah it is incredible the DCUM crowd constantly thinks of Florida as some backwater when its public schools repeatedly and on different assessments beat Maryland public schools (I don’t track VA very much) and spends CONSIDERABLY less on its public schools. Then they say ‘well MCPS is different - yet MCPS ranks 5th in the state and is the largest’. I don’t get it. Also Florida handles equally diverse poor whites, AAs and immigrants.

[Anonymous]

By the way Florida is offering vets this opportunity is brilliant from a fiscal perspective - they don’t need to pay as much to many of these fine folks most who probably already served 20 years and are on a military pension. These fine folks will be happy with getting paid less in other words.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By the way Florida is offering vets this opportunity is brilliant from a fiscal perspective - they don’t need to pay as much to many of these fine folks most who probably already served 20 years and are on a military pension. These fine folks will be happy with getting paid less in other words.

Vets are different than retirees. My spouse is enlisted retiree and his pension is about $1k a month. His ex gets close to half. Then, they take out taxes and tricare. It pays for a week or two of groceries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve had the fortunate or unfortunate experience of working in an elementary classroom at one of the top 5 public school districts in the country. Very highly unimpressed with the teachers and have since lost respect for teachers at the elementary level.
A trained monkey could have taught better than what I saw.

Well, better start training those monkeys right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By the way Florida is offering vets this opportunity is brilliant from a fiscal perspective - they don’t need to pay as much to many of these fine folks most who probably already served 20 years and are on a military pension. These fine folks will be happy with getting paid less in other words.

How much do you think a military pension is?