Redshirting should be banned

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Anonymous wrote:Agree, but because everyone does it, my August son is behind his peers and we're holding him back. We'd send him on time if the majority of kids weren't already over a year older than him. I've also seen the absolute drudgery and hell that is Kindergarten. Little to no movement, zero field trips, nonstop focused learning by yourself vs classroom learning. Kindergarteners aren't even allowed on the playground, so they have to just play in a courtyard with no toys (they do have chalk and balls). If your kid isn't way behind the curve, they get no attention and no help from teachers. I'm so excited to give him another year of fabulous Pre-K.

We sent our two summer girls on time.

Your school is bad. That's not what kindergarten is like at our (Title 1!) school.

How many redshirted kindergarteners are at your Title 1 school?

None. I've never encountered a redshirted kid at our school.

The fact that your school is full of redshirted kids AND apparently don't allow kindergarteners to go on the playground indicates YOUR SCHOOL IS BAD.

You care deeply about an issue that has no effect on you?

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Apparently that PP cares extremely deeply about an issue that is statistically fairly rare (there are studies on this) and does not impact her personally at all, to the point where she is raging bizarrely on DCUM. So odd.

What's bizarre is that pro-redshirters in this thread are simultaneously arguing that they "had" to redshirt because everyone else does, and also that it's incredibly rare and doesn't impact anyone else.

Which is it?

Oh, to be clear, I didn’t redshirt. I’m fascinated by the continually crazy anti-redshirters though, which is why I read these threads.

Anyone who claims “everyone does it” is simply bad at math and statistics. People bad at math and stats aren’t unusual, unfortunately, on both sides. Of course, there may be private schools that redshirt more than the population average, but that’s an admission policy of private schools who can admit whomever they want. I sometimes think a lot of these threads are started by tantruming private school K parents who apparently just learned that private schools can set their own admissions criteria. In any event, across the population redshirting is statistically quite rare. Go look at the studies of you don’t believe me.

Weird thing for you to be fascinated and obsessed about.

Oh come on. The anti-redshirt posters on DCUM are pretty entertaining for DCUM.

You are “entertained” in an obsessive, unhealthy, and unbalanced way. Entertain yourself with a therapist.

I see you don’t like the fact that people have observed how crazy DCUMs anti-redshirt posters are. I suppose it can be tough to see the truth about your group.

You would redshirt as you feel the need to “one-up” and bully your way through with you lack of emotional intelligence.

I could have redshirted and didn’t.

In any event, it is kind of obvious how detached from reality the anti-redshirters are. It doesn’t take a lot of observation. In this thread alone there is a poster who is apparently genuinely puzzled as to why anti-redshirting is not on the platform of the national Democratic Party. You cannot seriously argue that someone who is genuinely asking that question is grounded in any sort of reality.

No one cares that you “could have redshirted and didn’t.”
Get a life.

That poster isn’t wrong, though. Trying to shame parents for making a choice they are completely allowed to make under the guidelines is only a shade less crazy than lobbying for it to be a national political issue.

I do wonder if that’s the same poster who believes that redshirted kids should be barred from running for class office….

You have nothing credible to add when you have your head in the sand.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree, but because everyone does it, my August son is behind his peers and we're holding him back. We'd send him on time if the majority of kids weren't already over a year older than him. I've also seen the absolute drudgery and hell that is Kindergarten. Little to no movement, zero field trips, nonstop focused learning by yourself vs classroom learning. Kindergarteners aren't even allowed on the playground, so they have to just play in a courtyard with no toys (they do have chalk and balls). If your kid isn't way behind the curve, they get no attention and no help from teachers. I'm so excited to give him another year of fabulous Pre-K.

We sent our two summer girls on time.

Your school is bad. That's not what kindergarten is like at our (Title 1!) school.

How many redshirted kindergarteners are at your Title 1 school?

None. I've never encountered a redshirted kid at our school.

The fact that your school is full of redshirted kids AND apparently don't allow kindergarteners to go on the playground indicates YOUR SCHOOL IS BAD.

You care deeply about an issue that has no effect on you?

+1

Apparently that PP cares extremely deeply about an issue that is statistically fairly rare (there are studies on this) and does not impact her personally at all, to the point where she is raging bizarrely on DCUM. So odd.

What's bizarre is that pro-redshirters in this thread are simultaneously arguing that they "had" to redshirt because everyone else does, and also that it's incredibly rare and doesn't impact anyone else.

Which is it?

Oh, to be clear, I didn’t redshirt. I’m fascinated by the continually crazy anti-redshirters though, which is why I read these threads.

Anyone who claims “everyone does it” is simply bad at math and statistics. People bad at math and stats aren’t unusual, unfortunately, on both sides. Of course, there may be private schools that redshirt more than the population average, but that’s an admission policy of private schools who can admit whomever they want. I sometimes think a lot of these threads are started by tantruming private school K parents who apparently just learned that private schools can set their own admissions criteria. In any event, across the population redshirting is statistically quite rare. Go look at the studies of you don’t believe me.

Weird thing for you to be fascinated and obsessed about.

Oh come on. The anti-redshirt posters on DCUM are pretty entertaining for DCUM.

You are “entertained” in an obsessive, unhealthy, and unbalanced way. Entertain yourself with a therapist.

I see you don’t like the fact that people have observed how crazy DCUMs anti-redshirt posters are. I suppose it can be tough to see the truth about your group.

You would redshirt as you feel the need to “one-up” and bully your way through with you lack of emotional intelligence.

I could have redshirted and didn’t.

In any event, it is kind of obvious how detached from reality the anti-redshirters are. It doesn’t take a lot of observation. In this thread alone there is a poster who is apparently genuinely puzzled as to why anti-redshirting is not on the platform of the national Democratic Party. You cannot seriously argue that someone who is genuinely asking that question is grounded in any sort of reality.

No one cares that you “could have redshirted and didn’t.”
Get a life.

That poster isn’t wrong, though. Trying to shame parents for making a choice they are completely allowed to make under the guidelines is only a shade less crazy than lobbying for it to be a national political issue.

I do wonder if that’s the same poster who believes that redshirted kids should be barred from running for class office….

I bet you are right. I remember that poster. Total nutcase.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a mid September birthday boy. School starts August 10th. Why in the world does it bother you in any way that my son started K at FIVE like nearly every other child got to, instead of four? Our child would begin college at 17 instead of 18, like most do. Now he will be 18 and turn 19 during his first year in college - like everyone else. I’m not sure how we “gamed” the system like so many of you are claiming. Sure, some parents are crazy holding back spring birthdays. But, most parents like me don’t want to make this decision and we didn’t make it easily.

You actually don’t have to “make this decision.” There is a published cut off. If you and everyone else were to just abide by the cut off, there would be no decision and no issue. You decided it was something you needed to choose when there wasn’t actually a process you needed to engage in. As a previous poster mentioned, NYC does not allow redshirting. They have a cut off and that is it. I personally agree with the OP that there is no need for most of these students to be held back.

I don’t care why NY does, starting kids in full day school at 4 years old is ridiculous. You know I’m right but don’t want to admit it.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree, but because everyone does it, my August son is behind his peers and we're holding him back. We'd send him on time if the majority of kids weren't already over a year older than him. I've also seen the absolute drudgery and hell that is Kindergarten. Little to no movement, zero field trips, nonstop focused learning by yourself vs classroom learning. Kindergarteners aren't even allowed on the playground, so they have to just play in a courtyard with no toys (they do have chalk and balls). If your kid isn't way behind the curve, they get no attention and no help from teachers. I'm so excited to give him another year of fabulous Pre-K.

We sent our two summer girls on time.

Your school is bad. That's not what kindergarten is like at our (Title 1!) school.

How many redshirted kindergarteners are at your Title 1 school?

None. I've never encountered a redshirted kid at our school.

The fact that your school is full of redshirted kids AND apparently don't allow kindergarteners to go on the playground indicates YOUR SCHOOL IS BAD.

The fact you have none is 1) a lie 2) if true bad because stats show 10% should redshirt

I think DCUMs anti-redshirters are generally ridiculous, but the bolded is absolute fantasy on your part. There are no “stats” that show anything of the sort. You sound as absurd as the anti-redshirters with that nonsense.

Pp is an obsessive, emotionally unbalanced sock puppet. You are not doing the pro redshirters any favors.

So you agree with PP that stats show that 10% should redshirt? What do you and PP base that assessment on?

What would you base your questions on with your trumped up assumptions of something I never said?

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Anonymous wrote:I have a mid September birthday boy. School starts August 10th. Why in the world does it bother you in any way that my son started K at FIVE like nearly every other child got to, instead of four? Our child would begin college at 17 instead of 18, like most do. Now he will be 18 and turn 19 during his first year in college - like everyone else. I’m not sure how we “gamed” the system like so many of you are claiming. Sure, some parents are crazy holding back spring birthdays. But, most parents like me don’t want to make this decision and we didn’t make it easily.

We have a same age child. Kid will be 17 for two weeks in college. Not a big deal. Kids have enough school without adding an extra year. We moved ours ahead.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree, but because everyone does it, my August son is behind his peers and we're holding him back. We'd send him on time if the majority of kids weren't already over a year older than him. I've also seen the absolute drudgery and hell that is Kindergarten. Little to no movement, zero field trips, nonstop focused learning by yourself vs classroom learning. Kindergarteners aren't even allowed on the playground, so they have to just play in a courtyard with no toys (they do have chalk and balls). If your kid isn't way behind the curve, they get no attention and no help from teachers. I'm so excited to give him another year of fabulous Pre-K.

We sent our two summer girls on time.

Your school is bad. That's not what kindergarten is like at our (Title 1!) school.

How many redshirted kindergarteners are at your Title 1 school?

None. I've never encountered a redshirted kid at our school.

The fact that your school is full of redshirted kids AND apparently don't allow kindergarteners to go on the playground indicates YOUR SCHOOL IS BAD.

The fact you have none is 1) a lie 2) if true bad because stats show 10% should redshirt

I think DCUMs anti-redshirters are generally ridiculous, but the bolded is absolute fantasy on your part. There are no “stats” that show anything of the sort. You sound as absurd as the anti-redshirters with that nonsense.

Pp is an obsessive, emotionally unbalanced sock puppet. You are not doing the pro redshirters any favors.

So you agree with PP that stats show that 10% should redshirt? What do you and PP base that assessment on?

What would you base your questions on with your trumped up assumptions of something I never said?

You seem to be agreeing with the PP. I’m asking why.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree, but because everyone does it, my August son is behind his peers and we're holding him back. We'd send him on time if the majority of kids weren't already over a year older than him. I've also seen the absolute drudgery and hell that is Kindergarten. Little to no movement, zero field trips, nonstop focused learning by yourself vs classroom learning. Kindergarteners aren't even allowed on the playground, so they have to just play in a courtyard with no toys (they do have chalk and balls). If your kid isn't way behind the curve, they get no attention and no help from teachers. I'm so excited to give him another year of fabulous Pre-K.

We sent our two summer girls on time.

Your school is bad. That's not what kindergarten is like at our (Title 1!) school.

How many redshirted kindergarteners are at your Title 1 school?

None. I've never encountered a redshirted kid at our school.

The fact that your school is full of redshirted kids AND apparently don't allow kindergarteners to go on the playground indicates YOUR SCHOOL IS BAD.

You care deeply about an issue that has no effect on you?

+1

Apparently that PP cares extremely deeply about an issue that is statistically fairly rare (there are studies on this) and does not impact her personally at all, to the point where she is raging bizarrely on DCUM. So odd.

What's bizarre is that pro-redshirters in this thread are simultaneously arguing that they "had" to redshirt because everyone else does, and also that it's incredibly rare and doesn't impact anyone else.

Which is it?

Oh, to be clear, I didn’t redshirt. I’m fascinated by the continually crazy anti-redshirters though, which is why I read these threads.

Anyone who claims “everyone does it” is simply bad at math and statistics. People bad at math and stats aren’t unusual, unfortunately, on both sides. Of course, there may be private schools that redshirt more than the population average, but that’s an admission policy of private schools who can admit whomever they want. I sometimes think a lot of these threads are started by tantruming private school K parents who apparently just learned that private schools can set their own admissions criteria. In any event, across the population redshirting is statistically quite rare. Go look at the studies of you don’t believe me.

Weird thing for you to be fascinated and obsessed about.

Oh come on. The anti-redshirt posters on DCUM are pretty entertaining for DCUM.

You are “entertained” in an obsessive, unhealthy, and unbalanced way. Entertain yourself with a therapist.

I see you don’t like the fact that people have observed how crazy DCUMs anti-redshirt posters are. I suppose it can be tough to see the truth about your group.

You would redshirt as you feel the need to “one-up” and bully your way through with you lack of emotional intelligence.

I could have redshirted and didn’t.

In any event, it is kind of obvious how detached from reality the anti-redshirters are. It doesn’t take a lot of observation. In this thread alone there is a poster who is apparently genuinely puzzled as to why anti-redshirting is not on the platform of the national Democratic Party. You cannot seriously argue that someone who is genuinely asking that question is grounded in any sort of reality.

No one cares that you “could have redshirted and didn’t.”
Get a life.

That poster isn’t wrong, though. Trying to shame parents for making a choice they are completely allowed to make under the guidelines is only a shade less crazy than lobbying for it to be a national political issue.

I do wonder if that’s the same poster who believes that redshirted kids should be barred from running for class office….

I bet you are right. I remember that poster. Total nutcase.

Obsessive, emotionally unbalanced sock puppet strikes again. And answers her own post for good measure.

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Anonymous wrote:You would probably have judged us this way, OP. We held our Sept boy back. He was fine academically and behaviorally in school. But what you wouldn’t have seen is that at home he was an emotional mess. I suspected he inherited my ADHD yet we weren’t able to get an evaluation until he was in 2nd grade and yes it was confirmed. Not everything is as it seems to you. If we didn’t hold him back it would’ve been a disaster.

Your anecdotal story does not speak of the general population of redshirted children.
Not does your child not getting diagnosed till grade 2 provide anything years prior when you made the decision.

It tells you that I knew something was up and parents know their children best and they are the most capable of making the proper decision for their child. One of the teachers was shocked we wanted to hold him back. I guess she thought I was lying when I described his behavior at home. Glad I didn’t let her gaslight or shame me into pushing him through.

Besides, DC is one of very few states where the cutoff is so late. If you have an Aug/Sept birthday, nationwide you will be the youngest when going off to college.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a mid September birthday boy. School starts August 10th. Why in the world does it bother you in any way that my son started K at FIVE like nearly every other child got to, instead of four? Our child would begin college at 17 instead of 18, like most do. Now he will be 18 and turn 19 during his first year in college - like everyone else. I’m not sure how we “gamed” the system like so many of you are claiming. Sure, some parents are crazy holding back spring birthdays. But, most parents like me don’t want to make this decision and we didn’t make it easily.

You actually don’t have to “make this decision.” There is a published cut off. If you and everyone else were to just abide by the cut off, there would be no decision and no issue. You decided it was something you needed to choose when there wasn’t actually a process you needed to engage in. As a previous poster mentioned, NYC does not allow redshirting. They have a cut off and that is it. I personally agree with the OP that there is no need for most of these students to be held back.

I don’t care why NY does, starting kids in full day school at 4 years old is ridiculous. You know I’m right but don’t want to admit it.

We have a September kid and you are wrong. I cannot see him in a year younger grade especially academically. Many kids are in full day day care so it’s no different for them. We did a prek program the year before as a transition that was full day. Kids need to learn and that age is critical for brain development

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Anonymous wrote:Please do not feed the troll.

Not a troll. Many of us strongly agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree, but because everyone does it, my August son is behind his peers and we're holding him back. We'd send him on time if the majority of kids weren't already over a year older than him. I've also seen the absolute drudgery and hell that is Kindergarten. Little to no movement, zero field trips, nonstop focused learning by yourself vs classroom learning. Kindergarteners aren't even allowed on the playground, so they have to just play in a courtyard with no toys (they do have chalk and balls). If your kid isn't way behind the curve, they get no attention and no help from teachers. I'm so excited to give him another year of fabulous Pre-K.

We sent our two summer girls on time.

Your school is bad. That's not what kindergarten is like at our (Title 1!) school.

How many redshirted kindergarteners are at your Title 1 school?

None. I've never encountered a redshirted kid at our school.

The fact that your school is full of redshirted kids AND apparently don't allow kindergarteners to go on the playground indicates YOUR SCHOOL IS BAD.

The fact you have none is 1) a lie 2) if true bad because stats show 10% should redshirt

I think DCUMs anti-redshirters are generally ridiculous, but the bolded is absolute fantasy on your part. There are no “stats” that show anything of the sort. You sound as absurd as the anti-redshirters with that nonsense.

Pp is an obsessive, emotionally unbalanced sock puppet. You are not doing the pro redshirters any favors.

So you agree with PP that stats show that 10% should redshirt? What do you and PP base that assessment on?

What would you base your questions on with your trumped up assumptions of something I never said?

You seem to be agreeing with the PP. I’m asking why.

Ask yourself why you target questions to people who have no connection to what you are asking.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a mid September birthday boy. School starts August 10th. Why in the world does it bother you in any way that my son started K at FIVE like nearly every other child got to, instead of four? Our child would begin college at 17 instead of 18, like most do. Now he will be 18 and turn 19 during his first year in college - like everyone else. I’m not sure how we “gamed” the system like so many of you are claiming. Sure, some parents are crazy holding back spring birthdays. But, most parents like me don’t want to make this decision and we didn’t make it easily.

You actually don’t have to “make this decision.” There is a published cut off. If you and everyone else were to just abide by the cut off, there would be no decision and no issue. You decided it was something you needed to choose when there wasn’t actually a process you needed to engage in. As a previous poster mentioned, NYC does not allow redshirting. They have a cut off and that is it. I personally agree with the OP that there is no need for most of these students to be held back.

I don’t care why NY does, starting kids in full day school at 4 years old is ridiculous. You know I’m right but don’t want to admit it.

I started at age 4. And graduated on time, no problems. Wow, soooooooo ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:You would probably have judged us this way, OP. We held our Sept boy back. He was fine academically and behaviorally in school. But what you wouldn’t have seen is that at home he was an emotional mess. I suspected he inherited my ADHD yet we weren’t able to get an evaluation until he was in 2nd grade and yes it was confirmed. Not everything is as it seems to you. If we didn’t hold him back it would’ve been a disaster.

You could get him evaluated and choose not to. You are making excuses. We saw our child had delays as a toddler through elementary school. We spent a fortune on private evaluations and services to get out child caught up and still sent them early. The disaster was you ignoring it and expecting the schoo to fix it vs getting that child help. B

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Anonymous wrote:You would probably have judged us this way, OP. We held our Sept boy back. He was fine academically and behaviorally in school. But what you wouldn’t have seen is that at home he was an emotional mess. I suspected he inherited my ADHD yet we weren’t able to get an evaluation until he was in 2nd grade and yes it was confirmed. Not everything is as it seems to you. If we didn’t hold him back it would’ve been a disaster.

Your anecdotal story does not speak of the general population of redshirted children.
Not does your child not getting diagnosed till grade 2 provide anything years prior when you made the decision.

It tells you that I knew something was up and parents know their children best and they are the most capable of making the proper decision for their child. One of the teachers was shocked we wanted to hold him back. I guess she thought I was lying when I described his behavior at home. Glad I didn’t let her gaslight or shame me into pushing him through.

Besides, DC is one of very few states where the cutoff is so late. If you have an Aug/Sept birthday, nationwide you will be the youngest when going off to college.

Nice story…next.

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Anonymous wrote:You would probably have judged us this way, OP. We held our Sept boy back. He was fine academically and behaviorally in school. But what you wouldn’t have seen is that at home he was an emotional mess. I suspected he inherited my ADHD yet we weren’t able to get an evaluation until he was in 2nd grade and yes it was confirmed. Not everything is as it seems to you. If we didn’t hold him back it would’ve been a disaster.

You could get him evaluated and choose not to. You are making excuses. We saw our child had delays as a toddler through elementary school. We spent a fortune on private evaluations and services to get out child caught up and still sent them early. The disaster was you ignoring it and expecting the schoo to fix it vs getting that child help. B

Bingo! And obviously redshirting him didn’t help!