Which schools accepted your 4.3 - 4.4 TJ kid?

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Sorry, pretty much same stats here and same results. DC was disappointed and spring break was ruined.

I am the PP. DD took care of the all the college apps. No help or guidance from the counselor. We, parents, didn't help her either except arriving at a list of schools as a family. I don't want to give specific details but she has won a handful of national level awards related to CS, couple of officer positions in clubs, volunteering and continuing her hobbies. She is an effective writer, so her essays are good. I don't know whether they are "stand out" essays or not. She did all she could do, but I feel like I failed as a parent. I should have been more involved, done my research and guided her properly. I know she will do great where-ever she goes. But, it hurts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Sorry, pretty much same stats here and same results. DC was disappointed and spring break was ruined.

I know. I am the PP i.e. DD with 4.52 GPA. DD took care of the all the college apps. No help or guidance from the counselor. We, parents, didn't help her either except arriving at a list of schools as a family. I don't want to give specific details but she has won a handful of national level awards related to CS, couple of officer positions in clubs, volunteering and continuing her hobbies. She is an effective writer, so her essays are good. I don't know whether they are "stand out" essays or not. She did all she could do, but I feel like I failed as a parent. I should have been more involved, done my research and guided her properly. I know she will do great where-ever she goes. But, it hurts.

[Anonymous]

Check that the college housing at which your DC matriculates doesn't provide bathroom exhaust fans in the dorm lavatories, as your DC doesn't need one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Its not as much of a lottery as some try to convinces themselves

The ivies are seeking exceptionalism which could include but not necessarily be restricted to GPA and have distinguished themselves their multi-centuries consistent abilities to identify and select exceptional individuals

So the question is who should Harvard take, your kid who scored a 1580 or Al Gore who scored 1355. Your kid could certainly be more talented with better future success than Al Gore, but obviously Gore was a very successful admit by any measure. Other SAT scores:

George Bush: Yale (Governor, President + Veteran) - 1200
John Kerry: Yale (Senator, Secretary of State, etc. + US Navy veteran awarded the Silver Star and Bronze Star with valor) - 1190
Bill Clinton: Georgetown, not ivy but elite (Governor, President) - 1030
Al Franken: Harvard (Comedian, Senator) - 1020

Also, David Hogg was admitted to Harvard with a 1270

Not necessarily a fan of any of the above but objectively they seem to know how to identify and "pick" exceptional talent

Is there a link to back up any of this?

I doubt this is accurate, but would also point out that the SAT scales have been changed several times, and current scores are probably about 150+ points higher all things considered than say a 1995 score at the same percentile.

Absolutely. SAT re-scaling has bumped scores up _a_lot_ in the last 30 years: back in the 1980s a kid with a 1600 would be featured on the evening news. Even in the last 10 years there have been more recalculations. If you want to benchmark your student's scores against the median at a given school, make sure you are using very current data. And don't compare with other scores, whether from siblings or from public figures, that are more than a few years old. Apples and oranges, even if it might sting to admit it.

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Anonymous wrote:We are having a hard time putting our list together. So wanted to find out where TJ kids with 4.3 - 4.4 GPA are likely to be accepted. Our DC is probably end up in that range with after her senior year with very high SAT score.

From TJ, you are not getting into the Ivy+ schools with that GPA unless you are aiming for something non-tech AND you have outstanding ECs that are one of a kind. Might have a shot if you are female or URM.

Share what your kid wants to study as well as profile (URM, male/female, GPA, number of APs, classes planned for senior year, intended course of study, ECs and leadership roles, etc.). Without that input, it's hard to provide any advice.

I assume this is specific to TJ—gpa.

My kid has had all As in the most rigorous course load available (honors/APs) and 4.4 gpa is the highest you can obtain (private). The school is known for rigor.

I assume schools with countless APs are different.

Highest TJ-gpa is generally between 4.6 - 4.7 (likely below 4.7). Even though most Ivy's and T10s say Gpa is just a data point, it is not true for TJ kids. The Naviance scattergram is clear on Ivy's and T10s only admitting TJ kids in the 4.5-4.6+ range. 4.3 -4.4 are right below where the Ivy's admit and they are either denied or waitlisted to be ultimately denied. The difference between a 4.4 and a 4.5 is couple of B+s and A-s in some of the hardest classes at TJ and for that matter for any high schooler at any school. The holistic admission is a total myth at least when it comes to TJ kids because data never lies. The admission of TJ kids are purely GPA driven.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are having a hard time putting our list together. So wanted to find out where TJ kids with 4.3 - 4.4 GPA are likely to be accepted. Our DC is probably end up in that range with after her senior year with very high SAT score.

From TJ, you are not getting into the Ivy+ schools with that GPA unless you are aiming for something non-tech AND you have outstanding ECs that are one of a kind. Might have a shot if you are female or URM.

Share what your kid wants to study as well as profile (URM, male/female, GPA, number of APs, classes planned for senior year, intended course of study, ECs and leadership roles, etc.). Without that input, it's hard to provide any advice.

I assume this is specific to TJ—gpa.

My kid has had all As in the most rigorous course load available (honors/APs) and 4.4 gpa is the highest you can obtain (private). The school is known for rigor.

I assume schools with countless APs are different.

Highest TJ-gpa is generally between 4.6 - 4.7 (likely below 4.7). Even though most Ivy's and T10s say Gpa is just a data point, it is not true for TJ kids. The Naviance scattergram is clear on Ivy's and T10s only admitting TJ kids in the 4.5-4.6+ range. 4.3 -4.4 are right below where the Ivy's admit and they are either denied or waitlisted to be ultimately denied. The difference between a 4.4 and a 4.5 is couple of B+s and A-s in some of the hardest classes at TJ and for that matter for any high schooler at any school. The holistic admission is a total myth at least when it comes to TJ kids because data never lies. The admission of TJ kids are purely GPA driven.

I am not sure if it purely GPA driven. If that was the case, 4.52 kid should've gotten into Ivies/T10s.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are having a hard time putting our list together. So wanted to find out where TJ kids with 4.3 - 4.4 GPA are likely to be accepted. Our DC is probably end up in that range with after her senior year with very high SAT score.

From TJ, you are not getting into the Ivy+ schools with that GPA unless you are aiming for something non-tech AND you have outstanding ECs that are one of a kind. Might have a shot if you are female or URM.

Share what your kid wants to study as well as profile (URM, male/female, GPA, number of APs, classes planned for senior year, intended course of study, ECs and leadership roles, etc.). Without that input, it's hard to provide any advice.

I assume this is specific to TJ—gpa.

My kid has had all As in the most rigorous course load available (honors/APs) and 4.4 gpa is the highest you can obtain (private). The school is known for rigor.

I assume schools with countless APs are different.

Highest TJ-gpa is generally between 4.6 - 4.7 (likely below 4.7). Even though most Ivy's and T10s say Gpa is just a data point, it is not true for TJ kids. The Naviance scattergram is clear on Ivy's and T10s only admitting TJ kids in the 4.5-4.6+ range. 4.3 -4.4 are right below where the Ivy's admit and they are either denied or waitlisted to be ultimately denied. The difference between a 4.4 and a 4.5 is couple of B+s and A-s in some of the hardest classes at TJ and for that matter for any high schooler at any school. The holistic admission is a total myth at least when it comes to TJ kids because data never lies. The admission of TJ kids are purely GPA driven.

I am not sure if it purely GPA driven. If that was the case, 4.52 kid should've gotten into Ivies/T10s.

Agree. Like my DC says, it hurts to realize that you are second echelon at TJ even though no one at base school can come close in comparison to the academic and EC accolades, but they will be going to T20, and your are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Sorry, pretty much same stats here and same results. DC was disappointed and spring break was ruined.

I am the PP. DD took care of the all the college apps. No help or guidance from the counselor. We, parents, didn't help her either except arriving at a list of schools as a family. I don't want to give specific details but she has won a handful of national level awards related to CS, couple of officer positions in clubs, volunteering and continuing her hobbies. She is an effective writer, so her essays are good. I don't know whether they are "stand out" essays or not. She did all she could do, but I feel like I failed as a parent. I should have been more involved, done my research and guided her properly. I know she will do great where-ever she goes. But, it hurts.

You should have ED-ied.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are having a hard time putting our list together. So wanted to find out where TJ kids with 4.3 - 4.4 GPA are likely to be accepted. Our DC is probably end up in that range with after her senior year with very high SAT score.

From TJ, you are not getting into the Ivy+ schools with that GPA unless you are aiming for something non-tech AND you have outstanding ECs that are one of a kind. Might have a shot if you are female or URM.

Share what your kid wants to study as well as profile (URM, male/female, GPA, number of APs, classes planned for senior year, intended course of study, ECs and leadership roles, etc.). Without that input, it's hard to provide any advice.

I assume this is specific to TJ—gpa.

My kid has had all As in the most rigorous course load available (honors/APs) and 4.4 gpa is the highest you can obtain (private). The school is known for rigor.

I assume schools with countless APs are different.

Highest TJ-gpa is generally between 4.6 - 4.7 (likely below 4.7). Even though most Ivy's and T10s say Gpa is just a data point, it is not true for TJ kids. The Naviance scattergram is clear on Ivy's and T10s only admitting TJ kids in the 4.5-4.6+ range. 4.3 -4.4 are right below where the Ivy's admit and they are either denied or waitlisted to be ultimately denied. The difference between a 4.4 and a 4.5 is couple of B+s and A-s in some of the hardest classes at TJ and for that matter for any high schooler at any school. The holistic admission is a total myth at least when it comes to TJ kids because data never lies. The admission of TJ kids are purely GPA driven.

I am not sure if it purely GPA driven. If that was the case, 4.52 kid should've gotten into Ivies/T10s.

4.5+ does not guarantee a spot at Ivies/T10's but not having 4.5+ guarantees denial from those schools. Another way to look at it, Ivies/T10s only look at applications from TJ that are 4.5+ and above. Data is vary clear on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Check that the college housing at which your DC matriculates doesn't provide bathroom exhaust fans in the dorm lavatories, as your DC doesn't need one.

Aren’t you clever.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid graduated TJHSST with a 4.46 weighted GPA (slightly lower when she was actually applying to colleges), varsity athlete in 2 sports and debate. He was rejected by the few Ivys he applied to but got into Pitt Honors, UVA Echols, UMichigan, Northwestern, Carnegie Mellon and Williams.

Son and daughter?

Caught them! Everything on the College and University forum is a joke and simple farce. I bet the follow up with "typo".

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Anonymous wrote:We are having a hard time putting our list together. So wanted to find out where TJ kids with 4.3 - 4.4 GPA are likely to be accepted. Our DC is probably end up in that range with after her senior year with very high SAT score.

From TJ, you are not getting into the Ivy+ schools with that GPA unless you are aiming for something non-tech AND you have outstanding ECs that are one of a kind. Might have a shot if you are female or URM.

Share what your kid wants to study as well as profile (URM, male/female, GPA, number of APs, classes planned for senior year, intended course of study, ECs and leadership roles, etc.). Without that input, it's hard to provide any advice.

I assume this is specific to TJ—gpa.

My kid has had all As in the most rigorous course load available (honors/APs) and 4.4 gpa is the highest you can obtain (private). The school is known for rigor.

I assume schools with countless APs are different.

Highest TJ-gpa is generally between 4.6 - 4.7 (likely below 4.7). Even though most Ivy's and T10s say Gpa is just a data point, it is not true for TJ kids. The Naviance scattergram is clear on Ivy's and T10s only admitting TJ kids in the 4.5-4.6+ range. 4.3 -4.4 are right below where the Ivy's admit and they are either denied or waitlisted to be ultimately denied. The difference between a 4.4 and a 4.5 is couple of B+s and A-s in some of the hardest classes at TJ and for that matter for any high schooler at any school. The holistic admission is a total myth at least when it comes to TJ kids because data never lies. The admission of TJ kids are purely GPA driven.

I am not sure if it purely GPA driven. If that was the case, 4.52 kid should've gotten into Ivies/T10s.

Agree. Like my DC says, it hurts to realize that you are second echelon at TJ even though no one at base school can come close in comparison to the academic and EC accolades, but they will be going to T20, and your are not.

Right..."no one" sounds like a real sweetheart

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are having a hard time putting our list together. So wanted to find out where TJ kids with 4.3 - 4.4 GPA are likely to be accepted. Our DC is probably end up in that range with after her senior year with very high SAT score.

From TJ, you are not getting into the Ivy+ schools with that GPA unless you are aiming for something non-tech AND you have outstanding ECs that are one of a kind. Might have a shot if you are female or URM.

Share what your kid wants to study as well as profile (URM, male/female, GPA, number of APs, classes planned for senior year, intended course of study, ECs and leadership roles, etc.). Without that input, it's hard to provide any advice.

I assume this is specific to TJ—gpa.

My kid has had all As in the most rigorous course load available (honors/APs) and 4.4 gpa is the highest you can obtain (private). The school is known for rigor.

I assume schools with countless APs are different.

Highest TJ-gpa is generally between 4.6 - 4.7 (likely below 4.7). Even though most Ivy's and T10s say Gpa is just a data point, it is not true for TJ kids. The Naviance scattergram is clear on Ivy's and T10s only admitting TJ kids in the 4.5-4.6+ range. 4.3 -4.4 are right below where the Ivy's admit and they are either denied or waitlisted to be ultimately denied. The difference between a 4.4 and a 4.5 is couple of B+s and A-s in some of the hardest classes at TJ and for that matter for any high schooler at any school. The holistic admission is a total myth at least when it comes to TJ kids because data never lies. The admission of TJ kids are purely GPA driven.

I am not sure if it purely GPA driven. If that was the case, 4.52 kid should've gotten into Ivies/T10s.

4.5+ does not guarantee a spot at Ivies/T10's but not having 4.5+ guarantees denial from those schools. Another way to look at it, Ivies/T10s only look at applications from TJ that are 4.5+ and above. Data is vary clear on this.

Ok. May be you are right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Check that the college housing at which your DC matriculates doesn't provide bathroom exhaust fans in the dorm lavatories, as your DC doesn't need one.

I hope you don't do stand-up comedy for a living.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks - if your child is not URM, first gen, staff or faulty at school, recruited athlete, or high level connected/donor - your child”/
chances of acceptance are slim to none. The best thing college counselors at any school in the DMV can do is be honest about that. If your child is a white male of European descent -minus acceptance chances. Reality.

Are we still believe white men are at the low end of the totem pole? Sorry, no. That would be women. College numbers have them in larger numbers applying for and attending colleges (you can google the stats or read the books same as I did). As a result, they are are the low ones. Men get a bump so that colleges can "shape" their class and have a balance of men and women. Women have to work harder, get better stats . . . for admission to top schools.