Which schools accepted your 4.3 - 4.4 TJ kid?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do TJ kids need to go to college for CS at all? They know more CS after TJ than the majority of CS college graduates. They can just apply for a job directly out of TJ.

My kid's TJ CS experience did give him an advantage fortnhe first 1-2 years of study but he has learned a lot more theory at university. The university is a world leader in CS research and different CS study concentrations. I guess you could get a coding job out of TJ, but I'm not sure about long term management prospects without a degree.

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Its not as much of a lottery as some try to convinces themselves

The ivies are seeking exceptionalism which could include but not necessarily be restricted to GPA and have distinguished themselves their multi-centuries consistent abilities to identify and select exceptional individuals

So the question is who should Harvard take, your kid who scored a 1580 or Al Gore who scored 1355. Your kid could certainly be more talented with better future success than Al Gore, but obviously Gore was a very successful admit by any measure. Other SAT scores:

George Bush: Yale (Governor, President + Veteran) - 1200
John Kerry: Yale (Senator, Secretary of State, etc. + US Navy veteran awarded the Silver Star and Bronze Star with valor) - 1190
Bill Clinton: Georgetown, not ivy but elite (Governor, President) - 1030
Al Franken: Harvard (Comedian, Senator) - 1020

Also, David Hogg was admitted to Harvard with a 1270

Not necessarily a fan of any of the above but objectively they seem to know how to identify and "pick" exceptional talent

Is there a link to back up any of this?

I doubt this is accurate, but would also point out that the SAT scales have been changed several times, and current scores are probably about 150+ points higher all things considered than say a 1995 score at the same percentile.

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

If this kid didn't get in then who else? On another thread, I read a lot of TJ kids got into T20 schools. Then how come this kid didn't get in? Is it all random after the basics are met? I am so confused. One the one hand I see lots of TJ kids get into HYPSM and I also hear kids this like this PP's DD.

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Its not as much of a lottery as some try to convinces themselves

The ivies are seeking exceptionalism which could include but not necessarily be restricted to GPA and have distinguished themselves their multi-centuries consistent abilities to identify and select exceptional individuals

So the question is who should Harvard take, your kid who scored a 1580 or Al Gore who scored 1355. Your kid could certainly be more talented with better future success than Al Gore, but obviously Gore was a very successful admit by any measure. Other SAT scores:

George Bush: Yale (Governor, President + Veteran) - 1200
John Kerry: Yale (Senator, Secretary of State, etc. + US Navy veteran awarded the Silver Star and Bronze Star with valor) - 1190
Bill Clinton: Georgetown, not ivy but elite (Governor, President) - 1030
Al Franken: Harvard (Comedian, Senator) - 1020

Also, David Hogg was admitted to Harvard with a 1270

Not necessarily a fan of any of the above but objectively they seem to know how to identify and "pick" exceptional talent

Is there a link to back up any of this?

I googled and there are numerous sources with the numbers: https://blog.collegevine.com/celebrity-sat-scores/

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

If this kid didn't get in then who else? On another thread, I read a lot of TJ kids got into T20 schools. Then how come this kid didn't get in? Is it all random after the basics are met? I am so confused. One the one hand I see lots of TJ kids get into HYPSM and I also hear kids this like this PP's DD.

NP: there may not have been anything the PP's kid could have done to increase the chances of getting into a T20 school. There are institutional priorities and other factors beyond each student's control. Even choice of major changes the probability of getting admitted. However, maybe the TJ students that got into HYPSM had more awards/internships, stronger supplementary essays on why they are a good fit, or chose a different major.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do TJ kids need to go to college for CS at all? They know more CS after TJ than the majority of CS college graduates. They can just apply for a job directly out of TJ.

The level of knowledge one picks up in HS is nowhere near what you need at a real job. Besides, any such job will not be at a prestigious company and impact long-term career prospects. I know Elon and a bunch of others push the "degree not needed" narrative but that is now, when there's a dearth of employees. Once a recession hits and there are massive layoffs, who do you think will get axed first? Old people and those with no education..

Also, why would a family with means want to deny their kids a 4-year college experience?

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Anonymous wrote:What is all this woke bullshit? I was at a recent event at VT and the CS students were 85% Asian and white males, with a handful of girls and and even smaller number of black and Latino students. Show me one CS or engineering department in this country that's not overwhelmingly white and Asian. Go ahead, I'll wait. The numbers don't lie, but all the "woke" talk is just like stop the steal - total bullshit to push a political narrative.

People have to find a scapegoat when their kid doesn't make the cut. Look at the number of white and Asian kid at most schools that DCUM complains about and you'll see that the "white and Asian kids never get in posters" are completely disengienuois. They are just trying to blame other URMs (easy targets) for the fact that their kid didn't get accepted to the school they "thought" the kid should.

Just because the departments are "overwhelmingly" Asian and White does NOT mean that the remaining 15% are better qualified than the OP's kid. That's the point of the PP you were referring to.. Logic is difficult..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

If this kid didn't get in then who else? On another thread, I read a lot of TJ kids got into T20 schools. Then how come this kid didn't get in? Is it all random after the basics are met? I am so confused. One the one hand I see lots of TJ kids get into HYPSM and I also hear kids this like this PP's DD.

NP: there may not have been anything the PP's kid could have done to increase the chances of getting into a T20 school. There are institutional priorities and other factors beyond each student's control. Even choice of major changes the probability of getting admitted. However, maybe the TJ students that got into HYPSM had more awards/internships, stronger supplementary essays on why they are a good fit, or chose a different major.

Yes. I was going to suggest that we really don't know what this student's application was like just from the stats and general statement on ECs. There are many factors in the application alone. If this kid applied to all the Ivies, were they really keen on the specific institutions to a degree that would make the supplemental essays stand out? Mine applied to 3. She was very excited about 2 and on the fence w/ the 3rd. She got into the 2 and not the third. Anecdotal, of course. But, still an important criterion. (We are Blair magnet, though. Not TJ).

And then, as PP pointed out, there are the institutional priorities for building a class.

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Anonymous wrote:What is all this woke bullshit? I was at a recent event at VT and the CS students were 85% Asian and white males, with a handful of girls and and even smaller number of black and Latino students. Show me one CS or engineering department in this country that's not overwhelmingly white and Asian. Go ahead, I'll wait. The numbers don't lie, but all the "woke" talk is just like stop the steal - total bullshit to push a political narrative.

People have to find a scapegoat when their kid doesn't make the cut. Look at the number of white and Asian kid at most schools that DCUM complains about and you'll see that the "white and Asian kids never get in posters" are completely disengienuois. They are just trying to blame other URMs (easy targets) for the fact that their kid didn't get accepted to the school they "thought" the kid should.

Just because the departments are "overwhelmingly" Asian and White does NOT mean that the remaining 15% are better qualified than the OP's kid. That's the point of the PP you were referring to.. Logic is difficult..

NP--interesting that you focused on the qualifications of the other 15%. The OP's kid could have had higher scores than many of the White and Asian students.

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Anonymous wrote:What is all this woke bullshit? I was at a recent event at VT and the CS students were 85% Asian and white males, with a handful of girls and and even smaller number of black and Latino students. Show me one CS or engineering department in this country that's not overwhelmingly white and Asian. Go ahead, I'll wait. The numbers don't lie, but all the "woke" talk is just like stop the steal - total bullshit to push a political narrative.

People have to find a scapegoat when their kid doesn't make the cut. Look at the number of white and Asian kid at most schools that DCUM complains about and you'll see that the "white and Asian kids never get in posters" are completely disengienuois. They are just trying to blame other URMs (easy targets) for the fact that their kid didn't get accepted to the school they "thought" the kid should.

Just because the departments are "overwhelmingly" Asian and White does NOT mean that the remaining 15% are better qualified than the OP's kid. That's the point of the PP you were referring to.. Logic is difficult..

...for you. You don't seem to understand admissions. There isn't a set of "qualifications." Parents, especially, can't decide who is "qualified" for any college community (unless they happen to also be a dean). There are some high achieving kids who get accepted and MANY "qualified" kids who are rejected. The colleges build the class they think is best for them. I think the only factor that might be arguable against "quality" of student might be legacy, but even then, most of these kids are high flyers too. There are too many excellent kids, and top colleges have not expanded spaces. Perhaps we need to expand what we consider a top college. FWIW most top colleges need more diversity. This was clear to us on admitted student days. Diverse perspectives are educational. My kid will turn down a top school for being too white/Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:The GPA is ok, hard to say how many AP that equates to. If you take a look around, you will see a lot of perfect stat kids getting very few offers. Huge factor is major- if its CS, be prepared for battle. Hopefully its some obscure in which case your kid will waltz in lots of places. Hopefully you are not asian or white or if you are either, you remember your grandma was from spain before you file that application. It is actually harder to be accepted from TJ vs. other schools - my son turned down TJ after talking to a senior who couldn't get in anywhere because they were quota'ing the TJ kids (going into engineering). Truthfully, aim for schools in the 15-35 ranking range. My son had a 4.4 GPA 12 AP/DE, and a 1560 SAT, top 1% of his class and tons of amazing ECS and the highest ranked CS program he got into was #18.

DC similar stats and EC, totally depressed to be rejected by every single T20. It is much harder from TJ than base school. At the end, your DC will be in similar boat if he/she is not legacy or recruitable athlete. Academics alone is a lost cause.

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Anonymous wrote:DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery.

Sorry, pretty much same stats here and same results. DC was disappointed and spring break was ruined.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks - if your child is not URM, first gen, staff or faulty at school, recruited athlete, or high level connected/donor - your child”/
chances of acceptance are slim to none. The best thing college counselors at any school in the DMV can do is be honest about that. If your child is a white male of European descent -minus acceptance chances. Reality.

Yes, very true, minus 2 for asian males. Having that said, the equivalents at dc area private schools are doing particularly well. I suspect their counselors have better connections with T10 admission officers.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks - if your child is not URM, first gen, staff or faulty at school, recruited athlete, or high level connected/donor - your child”/
chances of acceptance are slim to none. The best thing college counselors at any school in the DMV can do is be honest about that. If your child is a white male of European descent -minus acceptance chances. Reality.

your bitter whining is sweet sweet music to my ears.

Who are you? You are the only who is bitter, and I can’t imagine what kind of parent you are to your kid. Aren’t we parents all want the best for our kids? Watching them being upset is hard. To be feasting on others’ misery makes you a very sad soul!

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Anonymous wrote:We are having a hard time putting our list together. So wanted to find out where TJ kids with 4.3 - 4.4 GPA are likely to be accepted. Our DC is probably end up in that range with after her senior year with very high SAT score.

From TJ, you are not getting into the Ivy+ schools with that GPA unless you are aiming for something non-tech AND you have outstanding ECs that are one of a kind. Might have a shot if you are female or URM.

Share what your kid wants to study as well as profile (URM, male/female, GPA, number of APs, classes planned for senior year, intended course of study, ECs and leadership roles, etc.). Without that input, it's hard to provide any advice.

I assume this is specific to TJ—gpa.

My kid has had all As in the most rigorous course load available (honors/APs) and 4.4 gpa is the highest you can obtain (private). The school is known for rigor.

I assume schools with countless APs are different.